She didn't add to the pile-on against Whedon or imply she was victimized by him, she just said she supports CC and the others and believes their accusations to be true.

It appears she didn't see the behavior but wants people to believe those who did experience that behavior.

I've shared this example before but I've never been walking outside with a woman and had another man catcall her. In 44 years of my life that has never happened. And pretty much every woman I know has had it happen to her when they were alone or with another woman. My guess is that if Dushku didn't see it, it's because Whedon was on his best behavior around her.

A few comments suggest he was pretty good at keeping it behind closed doors with a couple exceptions. Anthony Head seemed particularly disappointed he didn't notice it on set.

With Sarah Michelle Gellar and Eliza Dushku, he probably knew he had to watch his mouth, as they could leave him behind without an issue. He probably felt he had leeway with the lesser known cast and enjoyed the power trip. The same probably happened on Justice League, with Fisher being the least famous cast member.

I actually witnessed catcalling twice, once being pretty weird. My wife and I were walking in a mall and a shop owner looked at my wife "kissing" towards her. I just try to imagine, my wife being turned on by the leather shop guy and leaving me on the spot. He kind of looked like Saddam Hussein, so who could've blamed her.
The other instance was at the beach, when a friend of us was walking to a vendor in her bathing suit and two old Italian guys 'mama mia'd her. Perhaps I'm just not looking scary enough, because I think you're right, most guys are just "brave" enough, if the can confront a woman alone.

When I had long hair, I experienced cat calling regularly. But I’m also 6’3”, so maybe the cat callers were just finding themselves.

We Dudes can talk about Cat Calling with a certain amount of lightness and joking. But if you read some of stories about it from women, it's embarrassing to hear what Men say and do to them on the streets on a daily basis. I've seen women talk about how the pandemic has been a blessing because they can work from home and no longer endure cat calling to and from work. I've seen women talk about how they moved from their neighborhoods due to the excessive cat calling and having men get aggressive when the cat calling was rejected.

It's something that's made me really think about what women go through on a daily basis. I realize that as a man I take for granted that I don't have to deal with this and that women do and it can be traumatizing.

You're absolutely right. I was shocked when my wife told me that back in the day when she went club clubbing it was completly normal for her and her girlfriends to be gropped by strangers. This happening once would be bad enough, but having women develop a fatalism towards being gropped is horrible.

I’ve never put much thought into cat calling but I’ve had moments where I really thought about what women go through daily. For me it was when I realized, as a male, I can walk through a parking lot, day or night, and not worry about being attacked. I was shocked when I spoke with female friends and learned that they are always on alert when walking to their car. Many of them keep a defensive key chain at the ready when they go to their car. We’re not talking about some seedy ally in the middle of the night, we’re talking Target parking lots on the middle of the afternoon.

And if you want to really blow your mind, wait until you find out how many of your female friends, girlfriends, etc. have been raped in their lives. That knowledge will devastate you.

Hmm that sounds like my dad. Was it hiding in a hole Saddam?

Yes. Devastating. Almost all the women i know have at some point been either sexually abused by someone, mostly family, or straight up raped. Often the rapes were dates or boyfriends who felt they had a right to their bodies. Its sickening. Lots of women will have sex out of fear that the guy will not take a "No" well. We Men have a lot of work to do including teaching our sons to be better with their attitudes towards women.

THERE IT IS -- THERE IT IS

He IS NOT accused of asking Carpenter to terminate her pregnancy!!

He asked her if she was going to keep the baby. Her pregnancy would impact the production of the show. It is reasonable for him to want to know if the production of his show was going to be disrupted. Carpenter implies that she took such a question as an affront to her faith.

But see, since no one is willing to come out directly and recount the supposedly monstrous things Whedon did, we're left with false accusations like this.

Maybe Whedon had a habit of casually dropping profanity into his conversation. Maybe he liked to make off-color comments and jokes. Maybe he was always saying "That's what she said." Maybe he rubbed her shoulders and sniffed her hair.

When someone says that an adult man was forbidden from being alone with a teenage girl, one thing has to come to mind, but no one is willing to make that accusation.

But by making NO accusation of a specific transgression, the public is free to imagine the worst.

Think about Al Franken. If all you knew was that a very sexy woman was accusing him of sexual harassment, what would you think happened?
Was him standing over her for a joke photo at the top of the list? Nope. But that was one his big transgressions. And he tried to make an excuse to kiss her during a sketch rehearsal.

Amber Benson was the one who tweeted support for Carpenter and said Buffy was a toxic environment.

Dushku, like others, expressed support for Carpenter speaking her truth and support for victims speaking out in general. Dishku has not criticized Whedon or made a statement from which any accusations against Whedon can be inferred.

Maybe he's not apologizing because he thinks being an asshole is how you get things done, and if any of the snowflakes on his set don't like it, they can fuck off.

While a pregnancy would impact his show, I don't think he has the right to ask if she's going to keep the baby. Also, it's more than an implication about taking that as an affront to her faith, she says specifically that after asking her that, he "proceeded to attack my character, mock my religious beliefs, accuse me of sabotaging the show..."

Again, no idea if it's true but if it is, that's not defensible.

Yeah, so if a woman announces a pregnancy, it's a pretty safe assumption she's going to keep.

And I'm curious if anyone from the Avengers is going to speak out. Or did Whedon keep his behavior in check on those projects because Feige was the real boss? That is a huge tell for bullying. Some are jerks to everyone, some single people out.

He did not ask her to terminate her pregnancy. That's what the poster said he did. He did not.

We may disagree, but I am absolutely firm in my stance that he had the right --and in fact, the obligation-- to find out if she was going to be visibly pregnant when the show was in production. If we take Carpenter at her word, asking her "if she was going to keep it" is indelicate language, but by then she was in her 30s --hardly the young actress she describes herself as-- and Whedon is just SIX years older than Carpenter.

People have made a big deal out of the fact that Whedon has self-promoted himself as a feminist.

Let me throw something out here.
Part of being a feminist is believing that a woman has the right to control her own body. And part of that control is deciding whether to stay pregnant. And another part is deciding to get pregnant.
Maybe, just maybe, Whedon thought that Carpenter's decision to control her own body and time her pregnancy when it would disrupt the production of the TV show that he made her a star on, pissed him off.
Just a theory.

Except that whedon wasn't some close friend that had known her for years. He was the boss, asking an employee at work if she was going to keep it.

But feel free to keep twisting that pretzel.

OK, he only indicated an abortion would help his showrunning, that's completly diffrent and not at all inapporiate and this indication wasn't the mockery, Carpenter mocked her in addition to the indication.
It's pretty telling you only comented on the one accusation I rephrased and ignored all the others.

Just say, you don't want to believe any of the accusations, which is fine by me, there is no prove, but spare us the notion that there are no accusations which discribe horrible behavior.

I'm a long-haired guy and I got cat-called once.

Long time ago, not long after I was out of high school, I was with an attractive female friend of mine (just a friend, not more) at a fall festival or something similar. I don't remember what, exactly, but there were a lot of people there.

So we're walking down the sidewalk, and this guy behind us starts shouting out a bunch of shit. He starts out by telling us how hot we looked, and then he wants to fuck both of us (though he didn't actually use the f-word, something like "I'll show you two every womanly fantasy you've ever had," something like that among other things). My friend, who was about eighteen or nineteen, was really shaken. I could see her stiffen, and she started to walk faster.

At which point I stopped walking, turned around so the cat-caller could see my bearded face, and gave him the finger. I just stood there, waiting for him to walk up to me with a "bring it on, motherfucker" look on my face. The guy was older, probably in his forties or fifties, and looked like a biker in black leather and a leather biker hat. When he saw me, he just froze, and looked like he was going to shit his pants, and started walking the other way.

Yeah, in a workplace context, if a woman gets pregnant and is going to terminate the pregnancy, nobody will probably she's got a bun in the oven in the first place.

So the "Are you going to keep it," comes off more like a demand than a question.

Right after Buffy ended, I sort of remember reading Dusku saying she passed on the opportunity to do a Faith spin-off because the negative atmosphere on the Buffy set and ended up starring in Tru Calling instead. (Can't find a quote on google at the moment, though.)

Then there's this, from about ten years ago, where she says she turned down a Faith series because Joss' involvement would be minimal.

https://www.cinemablend.com/televisi...ned-27244.html

Considering that she also sought out Whedon to develop Dollhouse, I'd say she probably didn't have a negative experience with him.

Which is entirely possible. At most workplaces, there are people the boss favors and people the boss treats like shit.

Surely the timing pissed him of, most bosses will be pissed of if they had to work around a pregancy, but if you are a feminist or just not a prick, you keep your shit together and vent at home. What you don't do is ask or hind or give the notion you're pissed of. You just say congratulations.

Now I can't stop thinking about that Black Widow line in Age of Ultron (while Scarlett was pregnant) where she talks about how she was sterilized because it's efficient and one less thing to worry about, right after she calls herself a monster. A reaction to Charisma? A comment on Scarlett's pregnancy messing with the schedule? An in-joke? Just a really bad line in a mediocre movie? Who knows.

Something tells me Charisma didn't cross his mind with that line, or really ever since Buffy until just recently.