Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
04-04-19, 03:14 PM
#426
DVD Talk God
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Sure they were planned, but script development and re-shoots were all approved and overseen by Hamada. Hell, Hamada is the EP of Shazam! and Aqauaman. He took over DC in the middle of production of Aquaman,
04-04-19, 03:18 PM
#427
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I think the only people that would be *mildly* confused about when/how/where this takes place would be the most casual movie goer who thinks Wonder Woman was a Marvel film.
Halloween (2018) was a big hit, and wasn't a sequel to the remake series of 2007 and 2009, but to the original 1978 film, which itself already had a sequel in 1981. If people can let that fly, why not in this case?
I mean, it's clearly a different actor, a different vibe, and a different setting.
Halloween (2018) was a big hit, and wasn't a sequel to the remake series of 2007 and 2009, but to the original 1978 film, which itself already had a sequel in 1981. If people can let that fly, why not in this case?
I mean, it's clearly a different actor, a different vibe, and a different setting.
04-04-19, 03:19 PM
#428
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/246...eeded-reshoots
04-04-19, 03:26 PM
#429
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Heck, Henry Cavill almost was in Shazam but scheduling conflicts didn’t allow:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ake-up-1142306
And Aquaman finished production a month before JL was released.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ake-up-1142306
Warners had been trying to enlist Cavill, who most recently co-starred in Mission: Impossible — Fallout, for a Superman cameo in Shazam!, which stars Zachary Levi and will bow April 5. But contract talks between Cavill's WME reps and the studio broke down
04-04-19, 03:58 PM
#433
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
When the DCEU launched back in 2013, Geoff Johns was running the DC film studio and was the one who helped orchestrate the "Connected universe" He has since left and is producing and writing his own shows. He basically left with the DC film slate in disarray. Remember when they announced a big list of films planned going into 2020-2021? What happened to that?
Walter Hamada was promoted to run the DC film studio and he's been cleaning up Johns mess and is the one responsible for the new direction of more standalone movies. I don't think it's stupid and short sighted. You may not like it or not like this direction, but it's been working so far. Aquaman is a billion dollar movie and is 99% standalone. Shazam! is getting great reviews and had a solid preview showing back on the 23rd.
Walter Hamada was promoted to run the DC film studio and he's been cleaning up Johns mess and is the one responsible for the new direction of more standalone movies. I don't think it's stupid and short sighted. You may not like it or not like this direction, but it's been working so far. Aquaman is a billion dollar movie and is 99% standalone. Shazam! is getting great reviews and had a solid preview showing back on the 23rd.
04-04-19, 04:04 PM
#434
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
It is a part of the DCEU. So is Shazam. They just aren't worrying about connecting everything anymore, trying to set up 5 movies from now before even doing one successfully, and trying to copy Marvel.
04-04-19, 04:04 PM
#435
DVD Talk God
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Aquaman as I said is 99% standalone and yeah it is an origin story. I guess you didn't see it, but there is pretty much no tie-in to the DCEU other than a blink and miss reference from a supporting character.
04-04-19, 04:15 PM
#436
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
We don’t have to go around circles on this, but that’s really my point. Aquaman is not a reboot or a standalone. It’s part of the universe they are creating. Now if they make another Justice League and recast Aquaman for that, yet continue with Moama’s films that would be the same as what is going on with the Joker.
04-04-19, 04:20 PM
#437
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
While it is loosely "part" of an overall universe, it references it barely at all, interacts with it not at all, and knowledge of said universe is completely irrelevant and unnecessary to following and enjoying (or disliking) the movie.
Ask yourself this: if you never saw MOS, BvS, SS, WW, JL... would you still be able to watch Aquaman and (except for a fleeting reference to Steppenwolf) understand 100% of what was going on, who the characters were, what their motivations were, the machinations of the plot, etc.
You can't say the same for, say, Captain America: Civil War, Spider-Man: Homecoming, any of the Avengers movies, etc.
04-04-19, 04:28 PM
#438
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I don't think you need to have seen any other Marvel movies to know what's going in Homecoming or Black Panther. And that would be the comparison to a character introduced in a team up movie who went on to their own. Sure you don't get the full effect not having seen Civil War, but it doesn't rely on it. But this isn't an Aquaman thread, so let's not get too off topic.
04-04-19, 04:36 PM
#439
DVD Talk Reviewer
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Aquaman adds context and advances the established character into being a real version of that superhero instead of the ramshackle, reluctant dude from the sea, so in that regard it's a significant part of DC's universe. In the grand scheme of things, though, it can and does stand alone. Nobody showed up. Hardly anybody was referenced, with Steppenwolf being the most notable name-drop. Thankfully, I don't have to appreciate or care about any of the previous DCEU films to dig Aquaman ... and that's a good thing, because if folks had to like Justice League as a prerequisite to enjoying Aquaman, it would've been in a lot of trouble.
04-04-19, 04:36 PM
#440
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Aquaman adds context and advances the established character into being a real version of that superhero instead of the ramshackle reluctant dude from the sea, so in that regard it's a significant part of DC's universe. In the grand scheme of things, though, it can and does stand alone. Nobody showed up. Hardly anybody was referenced, with Steppenwolf being the most notable name-drop. Thankfully, I don't have to appreciate or care about any of the previous DCEU films to dig Aquaman ... and that's a good thing, because if folks had to like Justice League as a prerequisite to enjoying Aquaman, it would've been in a lot of trouble.
04-04-19, 04:39 PM
#441
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
I’ll take a step back for a while. I think the whole point of my argument isn’t getting across. Maybe I have no point.
04-04-19, 07:06 PM
#444
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Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
04-04-19, 07:11 PM
#445
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
The DCEU may exist (or at least we're told it does), but in actuality it doesn't really matter until the people in charge decide it does. That's where I think it gets a bit annoying. There seems to be a thought process of picking and choosing where films do and do not go together.
04-04-19, 07:38 PM
#446
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
04-04-19, 07:41 PM
#447
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix
Come on, let's not criticize Phillips for being from a comedy movie background. Look at who directed Ragnarok and rejoice.
04-04-19, 07:43 PM
#448
DVD Talk Reviewer
Re: Joker (2019, D: Todd Phillips) -- S: Joaquin Phoenix