Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
05-23-19, 02:07 PM
#276
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
1st trailers usually never bring out glowing comments. I'll wait and see what happens when a future trailer drops. This movie doesn't come out for about 6 months. They are probably still heavy in post production right now.
05-23-19, 02:11 PM
#277
Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
From what I have seen from the few James Cameron interviews regarding the movie, he is being extra secret on the plot (he goes out of his way to say it many times in the era of spoilers). That is why I think the trailer looks so 'been there done that' as they are not revealing anything new and giving the standard Terminator scenes in every movie. What I always loved about T1 and T2 were the characters, relationships, and the themes and I'm hoping they are in this movie (again, I trust Cameron isn't involved in a dummy action movie). So you won't see this stuff in the Trailer, but there is always a chance that it ends up being a retread and we get The Force Awakens.
But nothing in that teaser trailer makes me want to see it. I'm happy Linda Hamilton is the lead in a new movie though. Although Arnold's T-800 became the "hero" of the film series, Sarah Connor was the first and original. It was Sarah who motivated Kyle Reese to continue fighting in the first film, and it was Sarah that ultimately destroyed the T-800.
05-23-19, 02:42 PM
#278
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
From what I have seen from the few James Cameron interviews regarding the movie, he is being extra secret on the plot (he goes out of his way to say it many times in the era of spoilers). That is why I think the trailer looks so 'been there done that' as they are not revealing anything new and giving the standard Terminator scenes in every movie. What I always loved about T1 and T2 were the characters, relationships, and the themes and I'm hoping they are in this movie (again, I trust Cameron isn't involved in a dummy action movie). So you won't see this stuff in the Trailer, but there is always a chance that it ends up being a retread and we get The Force Awakens.
05-23-19, 02:47 PM
#279
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
This is also a fucking "teaser." We're getting a full trailer in the next couple of months before final release in November. They better do a great job in keeping it spoiler-free unlike Genisys. I still hate how they spoiled the big reveal in that final trailer. They should have fired the whole marketing department. I think that also contributed to the lackluster interest/box-office in the U.S.. Here's hoping they don't blow their wad in the next trailer.
05-23-19, 03:59 PM
#280
Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
Alien just had a starry background, a roaming shot of terrain that transitions into what looks like an egg that eventually cracks with some light emitting from it.
T2 just had a T-800 being constructed and a final shot of Arnold's face opening his eyes.
Nightmare On Elm Street 3 shows a little girl on a bed with a doll house, humming a melody.
None of that was in the actual films but I thought they were pretty successful in generating interest.
05-23-19, 04:03 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
So underwhelming.
Same old same old. It's the same things we've already seen in the previous films. Freeway chase, 1 good 1 bad terminator, factory battle, morphing terminator, human terminator, and bunch of shit just 'sploding every where x50.
The CGI airplane scene just looked ridiculous. What's the point of having these ambitious action scenes if they look so fake? Felt more like The A-Team of one of the Fast & Furiouses.
The bad guy terminator here doesn't even look scary or intimidating. I mean, that fits with Cameron's original vision of these things looking nondescript to blend in with humans. But if terminators are supposed to be infiltration units, and they've had these morphing capabilities since the second film, shouldn't they be altering the appearance constantly to get closer to their target? Why would they ever revert back to the way they're first human form?
Same old same old. It's the same things we've already seen in the previous films. Freeway chase, 1 good 1 bad terminator, factory battle, morphing terminator, human terminator, and bunch of shit just 'sploding every where x50.
The CGI airplane scene just looked ridiculous. What's the point of having these ambitious action scenes if they look so fake? Felt more like The A-Team of one of the Fast & Furiouses.
The bad guy terminator here doesn't even look scary or intimidating. I mean, that fits with Cameron's original vision of these things looking nondescript to blend in with humans. But if terminators are supposed to be infiltration units, and they've had these morphing capabilities since the second film, shouldn't they be altering the appearance constantly to get closer to their target? Why would they ever revert back to the way they're first human form?
What I couldn’t figure out was why he stayed disguised as the cop, because the good guys knew it was him. If he had changed to someone else, they wouldn’t have known and he could’ve killed them easy. It was a good thing most bad guys in movies were so dumb and always lost in the end. Hank said that if they were smart they’d become politicians, as they could do the same things as bad guys without running any of the risks since they made the laws. Being school president, he knew all about it.
05-23-19, 04:21 PM
#282
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
I always though teasers traditionally weren't suppose to show much if any of the actual film. Just something to pique your curiosity and create awareness.
Alien just had a starry background, a roaming shot of terrain that transitions into what looks like an egg that eventually cracks with some light emitting from it.
T2 just had a T-800 being constructed and a final shot of Arnold's face opening his eyes.
Nightmare On Elm Street 3 shows a little girl on a bed with a doll house, humming a melody.
None of that was in the actual films but I thought they were pretty successful in generating interest.
Alien just had a starry background, a roaming shot of terrain that transitions into what looks like an egg that eventually cracks with some light emitting from it.
T2 just had a T-800 being constructed and a final shot of Arnold's face opening his eyes.
Nightmare On Elm Street 3 shows a little girl on a bed with a doll house, humming a melody.
None of that was in the actual films but I thought they were pretty successful in generating interest.
I agree. Teasers nowadays seem to be an actual full length trailer. Studios have been pretty screwy with these rules the last couple of years. I only used the operative word of "teaser" because that's technically how it's labeled. There will be a "second" trailer in a few months.
05-23-19, 05:39 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
For something trying to position itself as the "real" sequel to T2, it sure does remind quite a bit of those lesser sequels multiple times in this trailer.
05-23-19, 06:21 PM
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05-23-19, 06:26 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
^ Which is ironic considering the fact that Robert Zemeckis is the king of spoiling shit in his film’s trailers.
05-23-19, 06:34 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
Saying it’s a direct sequel to T2 is what excites me. I’ll give it every opportunity to love.
05-23-19, 07:49 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
After viewing the trailer, this looks awful. I'm usually hesitant on judging based on trailers, but that was some 2003 Matrix Reloaded-level CGI in the beginning.
Nothing seems new about it. Terminator Salvation is still the only movie to go full-on future war (what the fans wanted), and yet everyone hates on it. Also, McG used a lot of practical effects, which is one of the reasons why I love Terminator Salvation.
This is probably the only time I'll watch the trailer (my normal routine to avoid spoiling movies). And of course, I'll still watch the movie, but I'm not convinced that this will be better just because Cameron is attached to it.
Nothing seems new about it. Terminator Salvation is still the only movie to go full-on future war (what the fans wanted), and yet everyone hates on it. Also, McG used a lot of practical effects, which is one of the reasons why I love Terminator Salvation.
This is probably the only time I'll watch the trailer (my normal routine to avoid spoiling movies). And of course, I'll still watch the movie, but I'm not convinced that this will be better just because Cameron is attached to it.
05-23-19, 09:01 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
JAMES CAMERON SAYS TERMINATOR: DARK FATE IS RATED R
https://www.theterminatorfans.com/ja...te-is-rated-r/
A new interview with James Cameron reveals more information of his involvement in the movie; talking about the return of Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger to their famous roles.
At 8:24 and 12:40 of the following interview with Flicks and the City, James Cameron states that the movie is indeed Rated R. How soft that R will be is still a question that fans looking for a much darker toned movie will be asking but so far it’s good news concerning an age rating.
At 8:24 and 12:40 of the following interview with Flicks and the City, James Cameron states that the movie is indeed Rated R. How soft that R will be is still a question that fans looking for a much darker toned movie will be asking but so far it’s good news concerning an age rating.
05-23-19, 09:36 PM
#289
Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
The glimpses of the future war in T1 were superior and felt completely different from what we saw in TS.
And the threat of the T-800 was significantly reduced when instead of just breaking John's neck when he seized him twice, this highly advanced killing machine thought it would be more effective to just throw him around a lot.
I didn't like that they changed the story so that John wasn't the leader of the resistance from the beginning. And an off-screen adult John Connor works better for the religious allegory and theme, than actually casting him and having him as the lead or co-star.
It was more Transformers and less "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream."
05-24-19, 06:07 AM
#290
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
God helps anyone who bases what a movie will be on just what a trailer looks like...I've seen plenty of "Awesome Fantastic Action Packed" trailers before....that had basically All The Best Parts....only to see the movie get rock bottom scores.....first out-of-the gate, more to come and the story & plot is what matters...
05-24-19, 06:21 AM
#291
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
Wow...that trailer doesn't give me a whole lot of hope. It looks like a mashup between the first two Terminator movies, with Sarah Conner actually filling in the Kyle Reese role and Mackenzie Davis playing a Terminator "protector" for a young girl. Meanwhile, Arnold looks like (a) he's NOT playing a Terminator (as I guessed earlier in this thread) and (B) he may only be in a scene or two.
Bottom line: this movie doesn't seem to have anything "new" to say. I'll see it, but my excitement level has dropped dramatically.
Bottom line: this movie doesn't seem to have anything "new" to say. I'll see it, but my excitement level has dropped dramatically.
05-24-19, 06:37 AM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
great to see Linda Hamilton, but another truck/highway scene with much of the same cadence? zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
and fuck James Cameron's opinion. He glowingly endorsed Genysis if I remember correctly. Whore.
and fuck James Cameron's opinion. He glowingly endorsed Genysis if I remember correctly. Whore.
05-24-19, 07:41 AM
#294
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
Teasers are supposed to get us excited... this didn't work for me. Conversely, as much as I squawk about the newest SW movies, the latest teaser did do an excellent job, IMO.
05-24-19, 09:26 AM
#295
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
God helps anyone who bases what a movie will be on just what a trailer looks like...I've seen plenty of "Awesome Fantastic Action Packed" trailers before....that had basically All The Best Parts....only to see the movie get rock bottom scores.....first out-of-the gate, more to come and the story & plot is what matters...
05-24-19, 09:40 AM
#296
Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
Watching that gave me flashbacks of Terminator Genisys, not good.
And now a public service announcement from Jame$ Cameron
"The new film, which in my mind I think of as the third film."
And now a public service announcement from Jame$ Cameron
"The new film, which in my mind I think of as the third film."
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05-24-19, 10:26 AM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
I don't want to know any specific details regarding the plot, but I will pass on the movie if it ends up being another 'The Terminator was sent back in time to kill a person who will affect the future' macro storyline. That's what it appears in the teaser, but I will wait for the next trailer and some minor spoilers/interviews to see where they are headed for the story. I hope they don't recycle the T1/T2 plot with 'another' and throw a twist in here and there to make feel original as that is what the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy is essentially doing. Again, I would be suprised that Cameron and Hamilton would come back for a 'reboot', but they could be getting paid a load of $$$.
05-24-19, 10:41 AM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
One of the comments I saw yesterday, which I agree with, was along the lines of this...
Typically, the idea of each sequel in a series is to have a bigger/badder villain. So with each iteration, the bad guy has something different about them that makes them harder to defeat.
That basically made T2 impossible to top, because the main bad guy was liquid fucking metal. How do you top a liquid metal robot?? You can't. So instead, they have to contrive different things that may be kind of cool... kind of interesting... but nothing as cool or interesting as a liquid metal robot.
Anyway... this flick looks fine. I still have to watch the previous one, but I'm not in a rush to do so.
Typically, the idea of each sequel in a series is to have a bigger/badder villain. So with each iteration, the bad guy has something different about them that makes them harder to defeat.
That basically made T2 impossible to top, because the main bad guy was liquid fucking metal. How do you top a liquid metal robot?? You can't. So instead, they have to contrive different things that may be kind of cool... kind of interesting... but nothing as cool or interesting as a liquid metal robot.
Anyway... this flick looks fine. I still have to watch the previous one, but I'm not in a rush to do so.
05-24-19, 10:41 AM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
I'm glad I'm not the only getting a "Halloween (2018)" vibe from the teaser trailer...
- Lead woman from original hiding out for years awaiting new attacks (CHECK)
- A sequel that completely ignores a number of subsequent movies in franchise as if they don't exist (CHECK)
- Movie will have a lot of stuff in it that doesn't make any sense due to a massive multi-decade time gap since the only movie(s) it acknowledges (CHECK)
05-24-19, 01:07 PM
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Re: Terminator: Dark Fate (2019, D: Miller) Schwarzenegger, Hamilton -- Cameron producing
Yeah that CGI looked pretty bad.
This would never have been anything other than a rental anyway.
This would never have been anything other than a rental anyway.