Your wording was awkward. Calm down.

His wording made perfect sense to me

What is so awkward about this sentence?

It's not awkward.

Other than Darth Maul, Episode I sucked balls.

That's a similar sentence. It means Episode I sucked balls, other than Maul being the one exception.

they had done absolutely nothing in the that was any good.

in the that was any good.

That's what confused me. That's why I thought you were trying to say something else. That's Why I thought you were missing something in the statement.

Snake criticizing someone else's grammar is kind of ironic

Taffer just needs to put some f-bombs in between words when replying directly to him.

not criticizing... just that I thought he was going somewhere else with it and I wanted to understand it.

lets face it, most of us started our DC or Marvel bias long before the comic book movie movement took off. Most of us determined that as kids

I have always been a Marvel boy and always will be. But i will always watch any comic book movie or tv show at least once, because i'm that much a fan of the genre and with the way FX have and ismoving forward, the genre as a whole can only get better.

Even the worst of recent comic book movies like Green Lantern i don't regret watching, i'm not asking for my money back, it entertained me enough, i just am not gonna watch it again

The TV Shows i would like to see being done differently, i'd like to see shorter 13 episode seasons of a show under some kind of generic Marvel and DC title and the seasons being like limited episode comic titles series focusing on the lesser known comic properties as one off seasons. E.g. i'd love to see seasons based on things like the Dazzler, the Wrecking Crew, the Unlimited class wrestling championship (Demolition Dunphy etc), the beyonder, Alpha Flight etc etc

Whilst i really enjoy Arrow and the Flash TV shows, i think it has ruined the characters for the big screen OR after seeing them on the big screen, it is gonna ruin the characters for the TV show, depending on how good/bad the movie depictions of the character are. Even if you used the same actors on the big screen, it is going to look stupid that a character can only do X and Y on the TV show but because of the bigger budget can do X, Y, Z, AA, BB and CC on the big screen.

You don't see Marvel putting their key characters like Spiderman, Thor, Hulk, Ironman etc on the small screen so they aren't ruined for the big screen.

Watching all of those seasons of Smallville which was just decent enough to keep me watching but never rose above 'pretty good' with no real payoff has really given me 'Superman' fatigue. MOS had some great set pieces but overall was only ok.

DC's problem is they have two mega characters (Batman and Superman) which have been flogged to death and a huge huge gap between those 2 and the next tier of DC characters

Marvel has a much more level character base with at least 10-12 really well known top tier characters who aside from Spiderman and possibly the Fantastic four haven't been abused anywhere near as much.

That's not really accurate. The only reason that Batman and Superman seem more popular is simply because they promote them the most. Actually in the comics, Green Lantern is more popular than Superman and has been for about 10 years now ever since Geoff Johns started his run on the title. If DC would actually do something outside of the comics with characters other than Batman and Superman, those characters could achieve mainstream popularity as well. Just look at Green Arrow's massive rise in popularity since the Arrow TV series started.

I think part of it is that Batman and Superman have been in every American's subconscious for all of their lives. They've just always been around. The other characters in their universe have not, but what about people who don't and never will read a comic book? Marvel somehow figured out a formula that worked, and with DC obviously trying to emulate it maybe it will come together for them in some miraculous way. But I'm not counting on it.

Also, Green Arrow's "massive rise in popularity"? By whom? The comic reading crowd? Arrow does serviceable ratings for The CW, but saying he's legitimately popular is a bit of a stretch. I bet most casual people still wouldn't be able to identify him.

You want to sell your products to mainstream audiences without much of a plan in place. I's very difficult to do that. It's why the DC movies don't have much of a leg to stand on at this point, unless BvS: DoJ is the best thing ever and knocks the world's socks off. Which I don't see happening.

You can't build something with a shitty foundation. Man of Steel was the bane of mediocrity, and continuing the story with the same people responsible for what was essentially a mess just screams incompetence on their end.

Talking about popularity in regular common pop culture, not comic book geeks !

EVERYONE on the planet has heard of Batman and Superman pretty much. Before and Green lantern movie (and even after it), only a fraction would have heard of the green lantern

I thought Arrow was doing very well? It's done well enough to get a spin-off series, which doesn't happen very often.


I know. You were saying there was a huge gap between Bats/Supes and everyone else. I was just pointing out that is DC's fault. They tend to promote Bats and Supes and nobody else.

I was saying IF they would promote other characters, then they could achieve mainstream popularity too. Arrow is proof of that. So is Guardians of the Galaxy. You think anyone heard of GOTG before the movie? Yet it was an awesome movie and made $700 million and now GOTG is a household name.

I was using Green Lantern as an example that has achieved mass popularity in the comics. He is bigger than Superman now. IF they would just do a good movie with him and treat it with respect (which they didn't do with the Ryan Reynolds movie) then Green Lantern could achieve mass mainstream popularity and become a household name just like GOTG.

Heck, GOTG is what Green Lantern SHOULD have been. Both are cosmic. Both feature cute talking animals (there is a chipmunk Green Lantern). There's no reason why a proper Green Lantern movie couldn't do as well as GOTG did.

As true as that may be to some people - Man of Steel made money. And that's all Warner cares about. It made more money than the previous Superman effort (about $91 million more domestically) which is why Warner decided to make this "Issue #0" of their cinematic universe. If Batman v Superman can match Man of Steel's domestic take, Warner can claim a "success." If it makes more, expect every DC movie to follow a similar story pattern.

I have a hunch Snyder regrets some of the story elements used in Man of Steel. I think he did the best he could with WB's movie execs breathing down his neck. It was a fair attempt at repositioning Superman for a new generation. I didn't necessarily think the character needed such a radical makeover, but WB was definitely going for shock value with mainstream audiences.

Nolan and Bale refusing to allow their trilogy of Batman films as a launching point for a new DC filmverse, definitely put WB in a corner.

Nolan had that much clout? WB owns the character and the franchise, wouldn't they have the final say?

Personally, I have very little faith in Goyer and Snyder as storytellers and my hopes for the next film are not high, I'll be blunt. Though it's cool that they're shooting it downtown . And I have a soft spot if they're shooting 35mm .

To answer your question from the title of the thread...No, I am not Overloaded at all with SuperHero movies.

Yeah, we're getting a bit overloaded. But I don't have to watch them all. I probably will skip Batman v Superman (unless it's REALLY good), Wonder Woman, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Fantastic 4 reboot, Black Panther.

I'm in for Avengers 2/3, Captain America 3, Thor 3, X-men Apocalyse.

Not sure about Amazing Spider-Man 3 or Gambit.

While I'm not a fan of Snyder, aside from his visual and audio nature, I do kind of feel that WB was kind of being very very very fucking careful of how Snyder was doing things cuz of his fuck up with Sucker Punch. That just seems like something a studio would do. But also I do think he had a lot of freedom as well. He's done right by them several times. He did his passion project and fucked up. Whatever. He still is kind of ok with WB.

I wouldn't say that Nolan had clout to stop WB from doing anything with his continuity. The problem with his trilogy is that it became so goddamn popular. And Bale wouldn't budge w/o Nolan. WB had the most popular iteration of the character's world and they had a director that kept making them so much money. They forced themselves into a corner w/ Nolan having an unofficial upper hand. Nolan said no more for him but he'd kind of help out MoS get its legs going. WB can't piss off Nolan now because he's pretty much the only director since Kubrick I think where the studio is letting him have the most freedom of any sort since. Nolan is such a moneymaker and WB loves that. They want to keep Nolan around.

Marvel has done an excellent job, love what they have done.

WW Trilogy starting in the 20s would be cool, no Super has ever been done in that time frame.

Bring on the BvS and the JL.

The actor for the Flash is a terrible pick.

Movies I want to see from DC:
1. Legion of Super Heroes
2. Doom Patrol
3. Metal Men
4. Make Flash and GL a team up
5. Black Lightning
6. Earth 2
7. Teen Titans or Young Justice (But, not 6 or 7 years)

A friend of mine and I have vowed to skip any more Spiderman and FF4 movies, but neither of use can skip XMen movies. Both of us want these to go back to Disney.
-The last Xmen movie was awesome, next one could one of the best comic movies ever (top 5 maybe).

Just curious, why would you skip the BvS movie.

Would you also skip the JL movie?

I tell you one really really really good thing about the comic book subgenre. It is pretty much immune from low budget rips because of

a) Character rights issues

b) FX costs, even for a modest attempt you are looking at big bucks

If anyone makes a no name comic book movie on a low budget, take for example Ribbon Man who wraps ribbons around people and has bottom of the barrel FX budget, people would laugh so hard there wouldn't even be a hint of any relationship or association to any DC or Marvel movie

Compare this to for example the Kung Fu movie craze of the 70s after Bruce Lee's death. That spore a heap of low budget kung fu movies, even a Bruceplotiation subgenre with lookalikes. Now to the trained eye, these movies were nothing to the original Bruce Lee movies but to an average movie watcher, there was enough similarity for the whole genre to be severley tainted.

so yeah the budget of the genuine DC and Marvel comic book movies really does make them low budget rip off proof

I didn't really like Man of Steel. I liked Watchmen. I like Affleck but I'm not ready to move to a new Batman after Bale - loved DK/DKR.

Dunno much about Justice League, probably will skip it, too.

Not superhero but the #1 DC character I've always wanted to see a movie of is Sgt. Rock.
I remember Arnold on the Tonight Show in the 80s saying his next movie was "Sgt. Rock". Would have been awesome if it happened.

looking at the recent success of Gotham and The Flash I think superheros on TV could be almost as successful as movie movie franchises provided they dont attempt a remake of every failed attempt like Howard the Duck.