Dragon Tattoo

Well, it's the explanation, whether you like it or not.

RoboDad

It makes me wonder if that conversation was filmed, but cut for pacing reasons. At the risk of unleashing more of the ire of our friendly neighborhood Nolan disciples, it would seem like sloppy script-writing to leave it out. But on the other hand, it could make sense to film it and then later cut it. Things were moving at quite a clip during that portion of the film, and stopping for an expository conversation might have been too abrupt.

Goat3001

We got that you know what 'evidently' means, but apparently you have trouble with the difference between 'explanation' and 'assumption'.

Supermallet

This is especially hilarious considering your massive leapfrogged conclusion that Wayne managed to communicate with an air vehicle designed for urban flight on the other side of the world and have said vehicle fly to India, then back into Gotham.

Solid Snake

...I can't even pronounce that.

chess

Kevin Smith's longform discussion/review of Dark Knight Rises:

http://smodcast.com/channels/fatman-on-batman/

I recommend checking it out. He has the same quibbles we all do, but he does a better job capturing the moments that resonated on an emotional level than I've seen elsewhere. The ones that stuck out for him are the last moments between Gordon and Batman and the last scene with Alfred, which is where I *might* have gotten a little bit glassy eyed.

He does spend the first 5-10 minutes discussing the Colorado shooting...so fair warning on that.

Solid Snake

Question on that...how annoying does he get? I like Smith..but sometimes..he gets too annoying and I just tune out.

kefrank

Even if we completely ignore the implausibility of an aircraft with that design flying across the world, "the" explanation still doesn't make sense. What you're saying is that Bruce took the time to procure an "Arab/Indian terrain camo cover" so that he could use it to hide the Bat on the rooftops of Gotham City once he got back. Here are a few of my questions about this explanation:

1. Did Bruce think Gotham City had "Arab/Indian terrain" (especially in the winter)?
2. Time was of the essence. Given all of Bruce's connections, was his quickest exit really waiting for the Bat to fly halfway across the world to pick him up?
3. Why would Nolan tip off the audience to the fact that the autopilot on the Bat was functional, when he subsequently goes to great lengths to conceal that in order to maximize the emotional impact of the climax?

Solid Snake

Yeah. For someone who really pays attention to details....seems like he made some up along the way. It's Bruce fucking Wayne. Rich or not...I'm sure he has connections somehow that are of greater convenience to him...which is not the Bat. I don't need a shot of him getting into Gotham. He's the Batman. I'm sure he has his methods.

Goat3001

And why would he need the camo at all in India if all the Bat did was fly there to pick him up?

chess

This thread is a mess.

All of the answers...which is to say mostly non-answers:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dark-...ons-32070.html

And my personal favorite:

Solid Snake

So that we could know he was in India? I don't know, man. It's Wayne. He's got connections for sure. He somehow got into Gotham..and I'm cool w/ that. I don't need to see him get in. His return was set up and again for the emotion it's trying to bring a sacrifice of visual action. Something this film does and it brings flaws but it also gets you to objective w/ greater purpose. Just one of those things....I say uncomfortably.

kefrank

And that's pretty much the view that most of us here hold...except for Dragon Tattoo. The movie gives no indication of how he got back and it doesn't really need to.

Why So Blu?

I don't remember this much nitpicking when Avengers came out. Then again, Avengers was directed by Joss FUCKING Whedon!


/sarcasm

chess

He doesn't seem particularly stoned, if that's what you mean. He's pretty focused.

I unsubscribed from most of his podcasts for the same reason, but I thought this was a good listen.

Skip to the 15:00 mark...maybe even 20:00

Why So Blu?

People are lazy. They want an extra 45 minutes of exposition, because if it would have been longer, these same people would be complaining that the film was too long.

Haters will simply hate.

Supermallet

I'd say there are way more people here that unreasonably hate Joss Whedon than unreasonably hate Christopher Nolan.

Goat3001

Don't get me wrong, I don't care how he got back to Gotham. It has no bearing on the story and for all we know a montage of him getting back was cut out.

I just wanted to help point out how stupid Dragon Tattoos assumption is.

Why So Blu?

I like them both, but Nolan is by far a better director. Joss Whedon is a better writer than director, though. Nolan is also a better writer in terms of his non-Batman stuff.

fumanstan

I didn't like how he jumped from one place to another, but it doesn't mean I want 45 minutes of exposition or that I hate the movie

Supermallet

Sure, Nolan is a better director, although Whedon does a great job with actors.

Why So Blu?

It's all in the edits and this one has lots of sharp edits that one has to pay attention too in order to get the passage of time and how it's moving forward, etc...

There's the one scene right before he has the Ra's Ahl Ghul vision where he gets punched in the back to put the vertebrae in place, he screams, and then it cuts to him hanging there passed out on the rope. There's no way to say how long he was hanging there on that rope before he saw the vision, but it's there in the edit. The same with Bruce getting back to Gotham. It could have been minutes, hours, or days.

Editing is an art form, as well.

Solid Snake

awwwwwww shit.

Alright. I'll give it a listen.

I would like to know though..in this Batman world where that pit was and Bane's ethnicity and etc. But again...those are needless..those are just details I like to enjoy for the sake of more...they're not needed in the grand scheme. My only major gripe is probably Blake figuring out Bats' identity and Wayne's lack of well..hiding that. I understand the logic but...I wouldn't mind some type of detective work on Blake's part...just something more for me to believe it better. Again..it's a thing that was sacrificed to bring emotion to the big picuture. Still a fucking great ride.

Dragon Tattoo

You've yet to actually do that.

Anyway, I have my explanation. You who reject it can just accept the plot-point as unexplained or continue fumbling in the dark for all I care.

chess

Am I the only one who doesn't have him on ignore?