Alien: Resurrection IS better than Prometheus. For one thing, it has actual Xenomorphs. For another, while the hybrid baby isn't the greatest thing in the world, it's still better designed than the squid baby in Prometheus and with the human eyes can be genuinely creepy. Also it wasn't trying to be 2001.

The only movies in the series I would say are worse than Prometheus are AvP and AvP:R. But that's only because of Fassbender. Take him out and this would be no better than the AvP movies.

Who said it actually needed Xenomorphs though?

It wouldn't have needed Xenomorphs if the villains it did provide were threatening or interesting. The villains in Prometheus are not.



I will watch Alien: Resurrection again in the future and I will enjoy it. I will watch the inevitable DC of Prometheus once out of morbid curiosity then will wipe it from my memory. Fuck Scott and fuck Lindelof. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Oh, and WhySoBlu, I did watch the scene towards the end. The debris is sporadic enough that running to the left or the right is a viable option. Not only that, but debris falls in the path they are running, so running left or right actually reduces the chances of being hit by 50% (because you'd only have to worry about the debris, not the ship).

You can't justify this movie by saying it's not a prequel to Alien. Additionally, even if it isn't a prequel to Alien, it's still horribly written and has an unbelievable amount of problems. Are any of the Alien movies perfect? No. But the flaws in the first two are so minute that they can't hinder the audience's ability to enjoy the film. The third is indeed flawed, but still very interesting (perhaps because Fincher is a better director than Scott). The fourth is VERY flawed but still manages to come out better than Prometheus. Like I said, if it weren't for Fassbender, this movie would be on the level of AvP.

If this didn't have Scott's name attached and didn't have Fassbender, this would be getting the same reception as AR or AvP right now. I guarantee it.

Why are you so offended about...a movie? It's not a true prequel to Alien. What happened here? Bears NO connection to Alien in terms of story. The ONLY thing that connects it, and we still don't know if it even does, is if that ship w/ Shaw and David in it is the same ship in Alien. That's it. That's the ONLY thing that could be a direct correlation to the story. And..we don't even know if it is or isn't. All this? Self contained of a situation on this place.

It's seeds are from before Alien, yes. But...it doesn't do anything to Alien. It's not connected. Same universe, touches some of the same things we saw in Alien..but..it's not direct line to Alien.

Is this movie perfect? No. I found it actually pretty damn entertaining. It'd give a solid B at the most and that's cuz of the production design, Fassbender, and the direction given. I actually want to see what the script was like BEFORE DL got into it. Whatever the fuck he added messed this up. He dumbed it down for sure and Scott just rolled w/ it for some goddamn reason.

Also this film had better production design, acting, and direction than AvP could ever wish for. Fassbender alone is better than AvP in a generality.

or Scott's direction. It's not his name. His name means shit to us. We've bitched and gone off on him when he's failed and we didn't give a fuck about his name. His direction is what matters to us. If he fails we'll got nuts on him just like anyone else.

I don't understand why people are trying to connect the events of this film with Alien. It's clear that Ridley Scott wanted to create an entirely independent story set in the same universe. In fact, the end shot almost seems like it was added at the studios behest just so they could market it as an Alien film. Also, if the AvP films are considered to be part of the Alien series, then Prometheus is not an origin story of the Xenomorph as those films took place decades before Prometheus.

I'm offended because this movie should have been excellent. Instead, it's not even good. Alien and Blade Runner are two of my favorite films. Scott's return to sci-fi should have been triumphant. He should have made people think while scaring the bejeezus out of them and making them stare in awe at worlds never before seen. Instead we got a movie that is to Alien what Phantom Menace is to Star Wars.

People say it has no connection to Alien. That's bullshit. Pure, outright bullshit. It was intended to be a prequel, and when they changed the premise they just substituted some generic monsters for the Xenomorph. It's a fucking search and replace job in Final Draft.

So yes, I'm mad. I'm mad because this should have been more. Because it could have been more. Because this confirms that Scott can't tell a good idea from a bad one. Because people still pay Lindelof to write when it's clear he sucks at it. Because Fassbender proves how good the rest of the movie could have been.

A friend on FB posted a link to some reaching discussion on what it was all about (Prometheus, that is):

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

well now I see it why. Jesus. Just fucking outright say what you feel, man. Why do you beat around the bush?

You've got something at stake w/ this. I don't. Why would I have anything at stake at all w/ a...movie?

And think about it. Storywise? This new story is set in no way to fuck about w/ Alien...so far. Same universe they play in..but it isn't a true prequel to it. A true prequel is something like the SW prequels to original SW films, those stories lead up and are heavily to connected to that after it.

Don't compare this to PM. PM had a bad director. This didn't. It had a great director who can't tell a shit story from a good story.

While that is an interesting read, if it turns out that then the movie is even dumber than I thought.

Also the guy claims the mural is the image of an engineer with his abdomen cut open. I don't see that in the mural at all.

I do, however, like this bit:

"As a closing point, let me draw your attention to a very different strand of symbolism that runs through Prometheus: the British science fiction show Doctor Who. In the 1970s episode 'The Daemons', an ancient mound is opened up, leading to an encounter with a gigantic being who proves to be an alien responsible for having guided mankind's development, and who now views mankind as a failed experiment that must be destroyed. The Engineers are seen tootling on flutes, in exactly the same way that the second Doctor does. The Third Doctor had an companion whose name was Liz Shaw, the same name as the protagonist of Prometheus. As with anything else in the film, it could all be coincidental; but knowing Ridley Scott, it doesn't seem very likely."

Isn't part of being a great director telling a good story from a shit story? It can't just be about pretty pictures.

And I'm not beating around the bush. I've been very upfront with my reasons for disliking the film, and my reasons for saying I don't think you can disassociate it from Alien.

Wow, I think that dude nailed it. I like the film even more now!

I'm not talking about your reasons, many of which I will easily agree with cuz..you're right..though a few (no more than 5 at most, I think) I'd disagree with. I'm talking about the way you feel, though they can also be easily connected as well. You had something personal at stake w/ this film which makes it stronger for you.

I'm not saying to literally disassociate it. That'd be stupid. It's in the same universe. They're connected. But not enough to call it a true prequel in the sense we know of them as.

The funny thing is, I have disassociated it, because if this movie is canonical, then it makes the rest of the series so much less interesting. To me, this film is a "what if" and is no more meaningful than fan fiction. However, I'm still mad because of how good it could have been.

I guarantee in 10 or 20 years, those that hated this outright like you, will love it just like they did with Blade Runner.

And the Phantom Menace comparison is just ricockulous. This film DOES have worlds we've never seen. YOU wanted it to be another Alien or Aliens, which was already disclosed as NOT being like those. How old are you? You're coming off like a hurt fanboy even though you were given advance notice of what this was going to be (or not be) like.

I don't get the anger at all.

That this film tries to account for the xenonomorphs, makes it tie into the Alien film. Now it seems that the xenomorphs are some type of bio weapon created by them and they got out of control. Tho that does not tie into any of the Alien films/comics?

How David came up with the idea of infecting Holloway with the sample would result in the creation of the squid baby was ridiculous. Not even the space jockeys could have foreseen that.

And had Vickers not revealed that Weyland was her father, I would have guessed she was married to him after being addressed earlier on as mother or mum or whatever by David.

I'm 28 and Blade Runner benefits from production design that puts Prometheus to shame, a much better script, a killer score by Vangelis, a host of excellent performances (unlike Prometheus which only has one), and a multi-layered, fascinating villain. It's the kind of movie that asks questions and lets you figure out the answers, because the answers are there to be found in the film. Prometheus asks questions and laughs while you try in vain to find answers because there are none to be found.

And what new worlds did Prometheus show us? A dead rock of a planet? Saw that in Alien/Aliens. A bio-mechanical looking set of caves and a ship? Saw that in Alien, too.

And while I know you were trying to call me a fanboy in an attempt at a put down, I AM a fanboy of the Alien series. I've been a fan ever since I was four or five and saw a copy of HR Giger's Necronomicon on display at a bookstore, with the image that became the basis for the Xenomorph on the cover. I was drawn in by the design and from there devoured everything I could about the series. It's important to me. I think it's one of the most interesting series in modern film. And if Scott was going to return to the universe, then damn it, he has a responsibility to make a quality film that doesn't insult my intelligence, and doesn't rehash ideas from two other movies in the same series.

Wow, I totally disagree. You know Giger worked on Prometheus too, right? You know those were actual sets right? You know they kept the cgi work at a minimum right? If they would have gone for what you wanted, this would have been a 300 million dollar film.

You wanted to be spoon-fed is what this comes down to. You wanted a linear story that would segue right into Alien, which you were already told was not going to happen. I'm glad that the film was multi-layered itself as opposed to just having one person be multi-layered. See, it goes back to my original point of people wanting Prometheus to have the same film template as Alien. That's your own fault for assuming that that's what it was going to be like.

I did not nor do I need to be spoon fed. Many of my favorite films are ambiguous and multi-layered. This movie is NOT multi-layered, it just pretends to be. It's all flash and no substance.

Do not write me off as wanting to be spoon fed. That's as insulting as me suggesting that you liked the movie because it had shiny lights and big explosions.

Then disregard the spoon-fed comment for my second assertion. You wanted this to follow the template of the first film. It's clear as day, imo.