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Supermallet 06-09-12 01:14 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11265447)
Spoiler:
No, there's no "almost" getting hit. It's either GETTING HIT or having the ship fall on you. Hey, that's what they went for, so go figure. It worked in context, imo.

I've seen the scene several times (the whole booth shakes when it plays in the IMAX, so I'm drawn to the screen), and the debris is sporadic enough that running at a perpendicular to the ship was not an impossibility.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 01:14 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265449)
Does he address her as mother? He addresses her as "ma'am," but with his accent it comes out as "mum."

Correct.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 01:17 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265450)
I've seen the scene several times (the whole booth shakes when it plays in the IMAX, so I'm drawn to the screen), and the debris is sporadic enough that running at a perpendicular to the ship was not an impossibility.




Spoiler:
It's not as sporadic as you think. I think the women were no more than 10-12 feet apart from one another and had hell raining down on them.

Supermallet 06-09-12 01:27 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I'll watch it again this show and watch for the debris specifically.

WeylandYutani 06-09-12 01:39 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265235)

D+ (1.5/5)

If Prometheus is a D+ then what the heck is
Alien Resurrection, a G-?

Boba Fett 06-09-12 01:42 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I actually would give Resurrection a B- (maybe a C+ after re-watching it again). It's a stupid over-the-top action movie; it doesn't try to be smart and kept me entertained.

WeylandYutani 06-09-12 01:56 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265436)

Spoiler:
The big plot hole the movie creates with "Alien" regarding the Space Jockey's fate. I know some are saying LV-426 is a different planet, but that's even worse, considering they set the seeds for the Xenomorphs we know in this one and the ship crashed exactly as found in "Alien." Too much coincidence for the exact same crash and situation to happen on a nearby planet.

The ship in Alien is parked, not crashed. And the surrounding geology looks little like the area in which the ship in Prometheus crashes.

Supermallet 06-09-12 01:59 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by WeylandYutani (Post 11265459)
If Prometheus is a D+ then what the heck is
Alien Resurrection, a G-?

I think Resurrection is a more entertaining movie than Prometheus. Jeunet never got the atmosphere right for real scares, but he allows an interesting set of characters to interact with the Xenomorphs. And I actually liked the harder-edged Ripley shown in the film. The hybrid baby was a bad idea, and remains an equally bad idea in Prometheus.

Boba Fett 06-09-12 02:05 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265470)
I think Resurrection is a more entertaining movie than Prometheus. Jeunet never got the atmosphere right for real scares, but he allows an interesting set of characters to interact with the Xenomorphs. And I actually liked the harder-edged Ripley shown in the film. The hybrid baby was a bad idea, and remains an equally bad idea in Prometheus.

The acid-spitting was also incredibly stupid as was Winona Ryder, but other than that, it's a noble falter, rather than an outright failure. People should have realized the tone Jeunet was going for when he had Chow Yun-Fat in mind for one character.

Supermallet 06-09-12 02:11 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I'll say that Resurrection took far more chances with the series than Prometheus does.

Boba Fett 06-09-12 02:17 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Anyone who has the means to, I would highly recommend seeking out the old LucasArts game THE DIG. Covers similar thematic territory, is based on a story by Spielberg and has a great voice cast.

Highly underrated graphic adventure from the 90s.

If you can't play it, someone captured a full playthrough in three hours:

StephenX 06-09-12 08:08 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265235)
PROMETHEUS is a miserable pile of excrement disguised as cinema. Ridley Scott has solidified his decade long slide into irrelevance and incompetence, crafting a pointless sequel penned from a marginal at best writer. The visuals are thoroughly generic and devoid of any sense of wonder. The film is only saved from being completely worthless by a jaw-dropping performance from Michael Fassbender that has no business existing within 1000 miles of this production.

D+ (1.5/5)

All valid criticisms, until you got to the stuff about the visuals. The visuals were unreal and I never once thought we werent on a different planet. Fassbender was incredible.

I really enjoyed the movie. I also wasn't expecting 2001, so that could be why I enjoyed it.

Dr. DVD 06-09-12 08:59 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Notice the name of the computer program in Alien is "mother" as well...

foofighters7 06-09-12 10:04 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
although Supermallet's breakdown is overall correct, you can dissect basically any film and find plenty of problematic scenes. I'm certainly not okaying this but simply stating it.

Although I seen most of the same things Super did while watching it, I ultimately liked it and think it was well done in most ways, IF, and this is dependent on the if, they make a sequel and explain some of the massive plot holes.
Spoiler:
I certainly don't want or need them to explain everything to me. They don't need to tie up every loose thread, but It needs to seamlessly connect the end of Prometheus to Alien. Since they didn't do it in this one, I hope they do make a sequel.

Basically, I just need to understand who the 'Space Jockey' was in 'Alien' and how he became infected. Was he on this planet where 'Prometheus' takes place? Did he leave in a hurry trying to get away and became infected or was his ship just another ship out there holding the black goo pods?

Is the ship that was found in the first 'Alien' the ship that Shaw and David are leaving on at the end of 'Prometheus'? Did it have an Engineer aboard which was awoken? Was this just another Engineer ship out there? Just too many questions. I want answers!

Decker 06-09-12 10:18 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I saw it in IMAX 3D and liked the visuals a lot. As for the film, I'm somewhat disappointed. For a cerebral movie, they have a lot of smart characters do a lot of very stupid things, and more importantly, leave a lot of very explainable things unexplained -- not Big-Picture, 2001-like things, but important plot points! None moreso than
Spoiler:
David's motivation in infecting Halloway
. And I agree that not actually revealing and explaining
Spoiler:
the fate of the Space Jocky
was a big mistake, one that could have been easily fixed in the script with a re-write.

In a bigger sense, the only purpose for a prequel, it's very raison d'κtre is to explain things seen previously -- to fill in the gaps and complete the bigger picture. Even an abject failure like The Phantom Menace did that to some extent. I feel like this film didn't deliver even on that level.

anomynous 06-09-12 11:14 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Alien Resurrection better than Prometheus :lol:

foofighters7 06-09-12 11:15 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I'm not at all confused as to why David did what he did. Not to say I will be right if they make a sequel.

Spoiler:
I feel David was jealous that humans could create and decided to destroy. Yes, there is more to it than that but that's the long and short of it.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 11:20 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by foofighters7 (Post 11265586)
although Supermallet's breakdown is overall correct, you can dissect basically any film and find plenty of problematic scenes. I'm certainly not okaying this but simply stating it.

Although I seen most of the same things Super did while watching it, I ultimately liked it and think it was well done in most ways, IF, and this is dependent on the if, they make a sequel and explain some of the massive plot holes.
Spoiler:
I certainly don't want or need them to explain everything to me. They don't need to tie up every loose thread, but It needs to seamlessly connect the end of Prometheus to Alien. Since they didn't do it in this one, I hope they do make a sequel.

Basically, I just need to understand who the 'Space Jockey' was in 'Alien' and how he became infected. Was he on this planet where 'Prometheus' takes place? Did he leave in a hurry trying to get away and became infected or was his ship just another ship out there holding the black goo pods?

Is the ship that was found in the first 'Alien' the ship that Shaw and David are leaving on at the end of 'Prometheus'? Did it have an Engineer aboard which was awoken? Was this just another Engineer ship out there? Just too many questions. I want answers!

Spoiler:
Yes to the first paragraph.

Maybe or maybe not to the second praragraph. If it did have engineers on that ship, I'm sure they were in stasis. Don't think Shaw and David would wake them up this time out.

Mike86 06-09-12 11:32 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Seriously I can see not liking Prometheus but trying to argue Alien Resurrection is a better film? rotfl Give me a break..

maxfisher 06-09-12 11:37 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I really enjoyed the movie. Not as great as Alien or Aliens, but far better than any of the others. I really don't get a lot of the complaints here. Seems like the movie left quite a bit open and a lot of people are mentally writing in the stupidest possible explanations so they have something to dislike. Started to respond to Supermallet's laundry list below, but couldn't get through the whole thing without losing interest.
Spoiler:


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Scene 1. Directed panspermia. Does this create all life on Earth or only human life? If it's the former, how could the Engineers have accounted for the mass extinction events that go on through Earth's history? Did they cause those events? Why bother? If it's the latter, how could we be so closely related to the great apes?

Did the film place that scene on earth? I missed it if it did.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Prometheus has a crew of 17. That's too many people for a movie like this. Alien had 7 characters and you cared about all of them. Prometheus has 17+ and you care about maybe two of them.

For all intents and purposes, there were only 8 we spent real time with. Seems kind of silly to nitpick that there'd be all of 17/18 people on a ship of that size on a mission of that nature.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Vickers is really antagonistic to Shaw and Holloway. I'm sure this will be important later, right? Not really.

Why does this need to be important?


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
The team goes in and Holloway takes off his helmet. The air is like earth's in the structure, but we have no clue if there are, oh I don't know, airborne viruses? Holloway is a jackass and so is everyone else for following his lead.

I wrote it off to sheer wonderment of being on a planet clearly also occupied with intelligent beings. I can easily see that impairing judgment.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Geologist guy freaks out and starts shouting about big dead bodies. Why? Because it feels dramatic. It's not. It's melodramatic and stupid.

Or just because it'd kind of suck to be stuck in a hole on a strange planet surrounded by bodies.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Holloway manages to unleash what look like earthworms. Why would earthworms be on the soles of the boots of a suit designed for space travel? I highly doubt people were running around in those boots outside on earth soil before putting them on the ship.

Again, I totally missed something here if that's what happened. I thought there was already soil in that area that the worms were in. Wasn't under the impression at all that the team introduced them.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Back on the ship, we see the Engineer's head. Shaw, like any good scientist, runs a rigorous set of tests and is careful to preserve the specimen. Oh no wait she jams a needle in its neck and runs an electric current through it. Really?

Well, it worked. I mean, dead boy opens his eyes and looks around. So maybe there's some technology there that the characters understand, but you don't?


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
The biologist and the geologist get lost even though they have arm bands with readouts of the map. Uhm.

I thought interference with the storm was keeping them from getting the maps.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Vickers and Elba sleep together. I'm sure this will be important later. Oh wait, it's not.

Why does this need to be important?


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
David purposefully infects Holloway for seemingly no reason. Maybe he does it because Holloway is an unrepentant jackass, in which case, fine with me. But there's no other good explanation for it.

There are many reasons he would have done this. I was glad the movie left it open.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Oh, don't get me started on the Engineer's DNA being the same as ours. Similar to ours? That I would buy. Identical to ours? Fuck you, writers. Do you see any humans that are 9 feet tall, white as bone, with black eyes and massive strength? No, I didn't think so.

Have you ever seen Shaquille O'Neal and Warwick Davis? No way those guys have the same DNA.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Biologist and geologist get scared of a pile of dead bodies and run back to the room that made them so scared the first time that they ran away and got lost. Mutated earthworm shows up and the biologist, now encountering alien life for the first time, treats it like a bunny rabbit. I think any biologist worth his salt would know not to touch strange lifeforms and observe them from a reasonable distance. But no, let's touch the damn thing and SURPRISE it kills them.

Again, guys thought they were on some kind of mining mission or something and they wake up to find that not only are they investigating the possibility of other life in the universe, but that it's intelligent and may have 'created' us. I've no problem with that throwing off people's judgment.


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)
Holloway sees he's sick, says nothing, goes out with the expedition anyway. What a douchebag.

I can see someone going into a bit of shock and not knowing what to do after a little tentacle pokes out of their eye.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 11:37 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Yeah, the Alien Resurrection/Prometheus comparison is a bit off base due to Prometheus ACTUALLY being entertaining, too.

Solid Snake 06-09-12 11:38 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Yeah, AR isn't better than Prometheus. It's got style out it's ass for sure..but it ain't better. And I only like AR cuz of the style.

foofighters7 06-09-12 11:42 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11265626)
Spoiler:
Yes to the first paragraph.

Maybe or maybe not to the second praragraph. If it did have engineers on that ship, I'm sure they were in stasis. Don't think Shaw and David would wake them up this time out.

Spoiler:
True, but perhaps there is other reasons why they were awaken or perhaps it was part of the ships programming. Wake up the sleeping giants when the ship is airborne. I don't know, but something has to be explained as to why and how they find an Engineer in 'Alien' with something that burst from inside his chest.
Was he just another engineer who had an outbreak occur aboard his ship? Was he present when the others on the planet in 'Prometheus' were killed and he happened to get away but was ultimately doomed because he was infected already?

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 11:52 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11265642)
Yeah, AR isn't better than Prometheus. It's got style out it's ass for sure..but it ain't better. And I only like AR cuz of the style.

Exactly. Me too.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 11:55 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by foofighters7 (Post 11265645)
Spoiler:
True, but perhaps there is other reasons why they were awaken or perhaps it was part of the ships programming. Wake up the sleeping giants when the ship is airborne. I don't know, but something has to be explained as to why and how they find an Engineer in 'Alien' with something that burst from inside his chest.
Was he just another engineer who had an outbreak occur aboard his ship? Was he present when the others on the planet in 'Prometheus' were killed and he happened to get away but was ultimately doomed because he was infected already?


Spoiler:
I already posted my thoughts on the potential sequel. I said that maybe the crashed ship on LV 426 is that of Shaw's ship. What if Shaw is the person inside the "Space Jockey" suit in Alien? It would kind of make sense, because then those aliens on LV 426 would have evolved to what they normally look like. They carry the human DNA strands, too.

That, or it could be another random ship that crashed there. The engineers are all over the place.


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