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Dr. DVD 06-08-12 09:44 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
So is it safe to assume that we like Michael Fassbender in these parts?

Supermallet 06-08-12 09:46 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
His performance when he's trying to keep Shaw from seeing the ultrasound image was just amazing.

Boba Fett 06-08-12 09:49 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
He's an amazingly sympathetic and tragic character in the film; the only one I even cared about.

I'm convinced Rapace is a flash in the pan; she had one great role and has done nothing of note since.

Supermallet 06-08-12 09:50 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Hard to blame her for this. She's doing what she can, but there's no character to latch onto.

Boba Fett 06-08-12 09:53 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
There wasn't much character for Theron or Elba, but they went the extra mile to give memorable performances; Elba cracked me up because it was obvious he was in a turd and hammed it up.

Neil M. 06-08-12 09:54 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I liked the movie. I need to let it sink in more but I don't really agree with some of the criticisms at this point.

mapasu 06-08-12 10:08 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Wife & I just came back from watching this. She's confused and so am I. Shit made no sense. I feel like 20th was trying hard to make some $ out of this and had a lot of people's hands all over it. Hope the Aliens Colonial Marines video game coming out is worthy, 'cuse I want me some xenomorph killing.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0chewbacca.jpg

d2cheer 06-08-12 10:08 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I was just reading through this thread fully after seeing it. I can agree with some of the issues but it does not detract from my enjoyment of the movie; but for me the main gripe was and probably does not need to be a spoiler because you can see part of it in the trailer.

Spoiler:
the space jockeys ship is crashing and all they have to do is either run right or left to avoid getting squashed.


The rest of the stuff I took in stride but the above you see in a lot of movies and I am really tired of it.

anomynous 06-08-12 10:13 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
http://www.whatis101112.com/


The website for the date put at the end of the credits..........now what it mean, who knows?

discostu1337 06-08-12 10:21 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Just saw it in 3D IMAX and I thought it was excellent. Loved the engineer creating life at the beginning, and the nods to "Alien" at the end. Thought the visuals were beautiful, and the 3D extremely well done. The movie reminded me of the film "Moon" at times with it's haunting images and isolation on the ship. Overall, some of you guys are being way too hard on the film. Is it "Aliens" quality...no, but it's pretty damn good.

Josh-da-man 06-08-12 10:32 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by WeylandYutani (Post 11265001)
Spoiler:
I hope he restores the scene where Shaw is kind enough to mention to Weyland, Janek, etc. that THERE'S A GIANT FUCKING SQUID THAT SHE JUST GAVE BIRTH TO THAT IS CURRENTLY CHILLING ON THE SHIP JUST TWO CORRIDORS BACK.

Reminds me of "Lost."

This is definitely Lindelof's work. :lol:

d2cheer 06-08-12 10:37 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by anomynous (Post 11265319)
http://www.whatis101112.com/


The website for the date put at the end of the credits..........now what it mean, who knows?

DVD and Blu release date? I know it is not a Tuesday but that would be bad ass if they did it that way.

celmendo 06-08-12 11:56 PM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11264523)

Spoiler:
Scene 1. Directed panspermia. Does this create all life on Earth or only human life? If it's the former, how could the Engineers have accounted for the mass extinction events that go on through Earth's history? Did they cause those events? Why bother? If it's the latter, how could we be so closely related to the great apes?

Shaw and Holloway are boring and obnoxious, respectively. The basic premise is exactly the same as AvP.

Prometheus has a crew of 17. That's too many people for a movie like this. Alien had 7 characters and you cared about all of them. Prometheus has 17+ and you care about maybe two of them.

Case in point, crew wakes up, one guy introduces himself to another as "the biologist." He has a name, but we won't remember it. The other guy angrily tells him to sod off. Great character development, guys.

Vickers is really antagonistic to Shaw and Holloway. I'm sure this will be important later, right? Not really.

The team goes in and Holloway takes off his helmet. The air is like earth's in the structure, but we have no clue if there are, oh I don't know, airborne viruses? Holloway is a jackass and so is everyone else for following his lead.

Geologist guy freaks out and starts shouting about big dead bodies. Why? Because it feels dramatic. It's not. It's melodramatic and stupid.

Holloway manages to unleash what look like earthworms. Why would earthworms be on the soles of the boots of a suit designed for space travel? I highly doubt people were running around in those boots outside on earth soil before putting them on the ship.

Back on the ship, we see the Engineer's head. Shaw, like any good scientist, runs a rigorous set of tests and is careful to preserve the specimen. Oh no wait she jams a needle in its neck and runs an electric current through it. Really?

The biologist and the geologist get lost even though they have arm bands with readouts of the map. Uhm.

Vickers and Elba sleep together. I'm sure this will be important later. Oh wait, it's not.

David purposefully infects Holloway for seemingly no reason. Maybe he does it because Holloway is an unrepentant jackass, in which case, fine with me. But there's no other good explanation for it.

Shaw casually declares she can't have kids. But she has her faith! This is not character development, it's character telegraphing.

Oh, don't get me started on the Engineer's DNA being the same as ours. Similar to ours? That I would buy. Identical to ours? Fuck you, writers. Do you see any humans that are 9 feet tall, white as bone, with black eyes and massive strength? No, I didn't think so.

Biologist and geologist get scared of a pile of dead bodies and run back to the room that made them so scared the first time that they ran away and got lost. Mutated earthworm shows up and the biologist, now encountering alien life for the first time, treats it like a bunny rabbit. I think any biologist worth his salt would know not to touch strange lifeforms and observe them from a reasonable distance. But no, let's touch the damn thing and SURPRISE it kills them.

Holloway sees he's sick, says nothing, goes out with the expedition anyway. What a douchebag.

They get back to the structure only to have to leave immediately because Holloway is sick. Who structured this plot?

The white snake thing leaps out of the biologist's mouth. I'm sure this will be important later. Oh wait it's not.

David appears to have expected Shaw to be pregnant with an alien. How could he have foresee Holloway would sleep with her? Why is he interested in a mutant hybrid alien baby? Does this sound like Alien: Resurrection to anyone else?

The CGI in the abortion sequence is awful. The baby looks like a squid. Gone are the elegant creature designs of Giger.

Zombie geologist shows up and kills people. Why? Why not? Does this advance the plot? No. Does it add character development? No. The geologist looks like a reject from The Walking Dead TV series. Who thought this shit up?

Weyland is woken up, has meaningful conversation. I'm sure this will be important later. Oh wait it's not.

Vickers calls him "father" pointedly. Is she a robot? I guess we'll find out later (no we won't).

They wake up the engineer, finally an answer to our questions! Nope, Engineer goes "Hulk Smash" over everyone for no reason except that the writers couldn't think of an answer to anything.

Let's make a big deal of Vickers gearing up to escape just in time. I'm sure she'll play a major role in the last ten minutes. Nope, she's crushed by a spaceship in one of the dumbest scenes I've seen in a film in a long time. A large, but thin, object is crashing toward her. She keeps running right in the path of the ship. Why not make a 90 degree turn and run away from it that way? Shaw manages to ROLL away from it while Vickers can't make it out alive. Who was Vickers? Was she a robot? Turns out it doesn't matter because fuck you that's why.

Baby hybrid becomes big ass hybrid. Shaw lets White Hulk and Lotus Flower duke it out in a scene with awful CGI. The full grown hybrid is uglier and messier than the baby. Where are Giger's designs when you need them?

What appears to be a fully grown Proto-Xenomorph bursts out of the engineer. The design is a cruel mockery of Giger's original. The CGI is again pretty bad. Is this film suggesting that the Xenomorphs, described in the original film by Ash as the perfect killing machines, were born by accident because of the events of this film? Not only that, but they somehow get from this moon to the next moon over? Was there no one on staff asking these questions?

Every monster is shown in full light with no hidden elements. The mystery is gone. Take that, Alien!

Really liked it. I agree with Supermallet's list of problems and maybe it was Fassbinder's performance that made it for me but I wasn't disappointed.
The character development or lack thereof was the biggest problem. Theron was eye candy but useless. The lead scientist, geologist and dumbass approaches alien snake felt right out of AVP along with dying old dude. Either a lot was cut or it was just a sloppy script and I just don't get how that happens at that level. Actually it kind of felt like a version of AVP got reworked into this script.
The opening credit sequence was beautiful. Noomi did a great job with the crap character she was given.
Spoiler:
Did anyone else see her abdomen sliced open in awful cgi and then run, jump and climb around in ways a fully healthy person might have trouble with? There are muscles there you've just cut through idiot writers. Sadly that's not even the worse thing in the scrip.
I'm sure they wanted to make her the new Ripley and I could see that happening with a good script but not even close here.
I guess it's just gonna be one of those movies that is so bad in so many ways but that I really like.

foofighters7 06-09-12 12:16 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265235)
PROMETHEUS is a miserable pile of excrement disguised as cinema. Ridley Scott has solidified his decade long slide into irrelevance and incompetence, crafting a pointless sequel penned from a marginal at best writer. The visuals are thoroughly generic and devoid of any sense of wonder. The film is only saved from being completely worthless by a jaw-dropping performance from Michael Fassbender that has no business existing within 1000 miles of this production.

D+ (1.5/5)

No, you just wanted to hate it from the beginning, it would seem.

First off, it wasn't a sequel and everything else you say is over-the-top Armond White style shock criticism.

Boba Fett 06-09-12 12:41 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by foofighters7 (Post 11265421)
No, you just wanted to hate it from the beginning, it would seem.

First off, it wasn't a sequel and everything else you say is over-the-top Armond White style shock criticism.

Excuse my mistaken use of sequel instead of prequel, and if I wanted to hate it from the beginning I wouldn't have been at the first showing today. I have much better things to spend my money on than a movie I don't have hopes of enjoying.

And if I was Armond White, I'd have something like this (from White's negative review) instead of praising Fassbender:

This time both David Lean’s Lawrence of Arabia and Steven Spielberg’s A.I.: Artificial Intelligence are dishonored through the characterization of an ominous automaton, David (played by Michael Fassbender who quickly has come to emblematize crap cinema). David models his hair and speaking voice after Peter O’Toole’s classic enigmatic Lawrence and David’s lack of “soul” refers to the conundrum of Spielberg and Kubrick’s neo-Pinocchio conception–scoffed at here as “not a real boy.”

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 12:43 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Okay, after watching the film a SECOND time and having being fresh in my memory I have come to the conclusion that the people saying that
Spoiler:
Theron should have run to the left or right in order to avoid being crushed by the ship didn't pay enough attention to the plot device. I'll explain. Did you guys not notice the big pieces of burning starship raining down on them? Seriously, look at it again and see that it was a 50-50 shot of either being crushed to death by the ship or having volkswagon size debris come down on you. It was raining fire, so your argument about running left and right to survive is invalid.

Boba Fett 06-09-12 12:46 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11265434)
Okay, after watching the film a SECOND time and having being fresh in my memory I have come to the conclusion that the people saying that
Spoiler:
Theron should have run to the left or right in order to avoid being crushed by the ship didn't pay enough attention to the plot device. I'll explain. Did you guys not notice the big pieces of burning starship raining down on them? Seriously, look at it again and see that it was a 50-50 shot of either being crushed to death by the ship or having volkswagon size debris come down on you. It was raining fire, so your argument about running left and right to survive is invalid.

I don't get why people are nitpicking something that finnicky instead of

Spoiler:
The big plot hole the movie creates with "Alien" regarding the Space Jockey's fate. I know some are saying LV-426 is a different planet, but that's even worse, considering they set the seeds for the Xenomorphs we know in this one and the ship crashed exactly as found in "Alien." Too much coincidence for the exact same crash and situation to happen on a nearby planet.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 12:52 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265436)
I don't get why people are nitpicking something that finnicky instead of

Spoiler:
The big plot hole the movie creates with "Alien" regarding the Space Jockey's fate. I know some are saying LV-426 is a different planet, but that's even worse, considering they set the seeds for the Xenomorphs we know in this one and the ship crashed exactly as found in "Alien." Too much coincidence for the exact same crash and situation to happen on a nearby planet.


Nope,
Spoiler:
that is a different planet (or moon) and what I envision is that Prometheus II will explain what will happen to Shaw or set the seeds of what happened on LV 426 and bridge it directly to Alien. There's actually more story that needs to be told for it to "make sense" in the end.

Boba Fett 06-09-12 12:58 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11265438)
Nope,
Spoiler:
that is a different planet (or moon) and what I envision is that Prometheus II will explain what will happen to Shaw or set the seeds of what happened on LV 426 and bridge it directly to Alien. There's actually more story that needs to be told for it to "make sense" in the end.

That's what I figured, but it's utterly stupid that they
Spoiler:
had the crashed ship look exactly like it did in "Alien"

Supermallet 06-09-12 12:59 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11265434)
Okay, after watching the film a SECOND time and having being fresh in my memory I have come to the conclusion that the people saying that
Spoiler:
Theron should have run to the left or right in order to avoid being crushed by the ship didn't pay enough attention to the plot device. I'll explain. Did you guys not notice the big pieces of burning starship raining down on them? Seriously, look at it again and see that it was a 50-50 shot of either being crushed to death by the ship or having volkswagon size debris come down on you. It was raining fire, so your argument about running left and right to survive is invalid.

Spoiler:
So...take your chances getting hit by debris or almost certainly getting hit by the ship? Sorry, the argument is not invalid.

Boba Fett 06-09-12 01:03 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I'm willing to bet that before they decided to entertain the idea of a sequel to this the planet
Spoiler:
was LV-426
and the final scene in the movie
Spoiler:
was a chest burster from the Space Jockey; the giant squid and Engineer scene felt rushed at tacked on.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 01:03 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265440)
That's what I figured, but it's utterly stupid that they
Spoiler:
had the crashed ship look exactly like it did in "Alien"

Spoiler:
I looked for that the second time I saw it and don't think it crashed the same exact way. I'm thinking Shaw's ship will be the one that ends up crashing on LV 426 (or it could be another random ship, because there are many of them out there) in the Promethus sequel. I'm also thinking Shaw will be the actual Space Jockey we see in Alien. After all, we now know that it's a pilot suit, but we don't get to see what's underneath it in Alien meaning that Shaw will probably get impregnated again (if they go with this scenario). Shaw would also have had to wear that thing in order to navigate. David's head and body probably melted.

devilshalo 06-09-12 01:03 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
There really needed to be more between Theron and Fassbender. I understand the her hatred of Weyland and maybe jealousy of David, but why did he address her as "mother"? Was that just to make us think she is not human only to have a quick scene with her and Elba to debunk that? There is more there, but with so many character arcs that are introduced and then underdeveloped, it made no sense overall to cram it into so little time.

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 01:07 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265441)
Spoiler:
So...take your chances getting hit by debris or almost certainly getting hit by the ship? Sorry, the argument is not invalid.



Spoiler:
No, there's no "almost" getting hit. It's either GETTING HIT or having the ship fall on you. Hey, that's what they went for, so go figure. It worked in context, imo.

Supermallet 06-09-12 01:12 AM

Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Does he address her as mother? He addresses her as "ma'am," but with his accent it comes out as "mum."


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