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StephenX 06-10-12 12:08 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 11266224)
But it's not a film that will be remembered kindly with time. There will be no excited fans lined up to see the Prometheus 30th Anniversary special screenings.
Wonder how many people said that about Blade Runner?

Osiris3657 06-10-12 12:12 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I lowered my expectations drastically based on the reviews in this thread. I saw a matinee Saturday afternoon and loved it, it surpassed my expectations. I thought it was visually impressive. I was engaged in the story the entire time. I liked the characters. I thought the acting was 1st class. The big complaint among moviegoers here seems to be the plot. I honestly don't see a lot of reason to complain. I think the reasons are all subjective, not objective.
I admittedly don't understand why
Spoiler:
David "poisoned" (for lack of a better word) the drink of Dr. Holloway
, but nitpicking aside, I really enjoyed the plot. Maybe it's just because I'm not a diehard Aliens franchise enthusiast, I don't know. I honestly don't understand the criticisms of the script.
All in all I was very entertained, I will certainly be picking this up on blu.

slop101 06-10-12 12:17 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
The movie was dumb (though gorgeous, like a supermodel...), both pertaining to story & characters, and that's pretty much all there is to it. Trying to explain/understand it is putting more thought into it than Lindelof/Scott did.

phraseturner 06-10-12 12:49 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I think this guy's onto something...

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Why So Blu? 06-10-12 01:01 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by phraseturner (Post 11266289)
I think this guy's onto something...

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html


Yes, his post has been mentioned several times throughout the boards today. It's great.

joe_b 06-10-12 01:13 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Osiris3657 (Post 11266256)
Spoiler:
David "poisoned" (for lack of a better word) the drink of Dr. Holloway
Spoiler:
I feel that David had already sized up the "Engineers" as superior beings and his scientific curiosity to understand their methods overruled his programming. Didn't hurt that Holloway was so condescending that it made him the perfect test subject.

MAJOR SPOILERS:

I agree, the movie was flawed and I'm not sure I understood the point. So these beings created mankind, then later decided to test some black substance that would destroy us because they regretted their creation? Then for some reason things got out of hand and they didn't follow through -- so now our heroine is determined to know "Why?". And this bacteria (or whatever it was) crossing with human DNA is what gave birth to the facehugger/Gieger alien as we will later know it in the original film? Also, after the beatdown she took from one of those things, is Elizabeth really expecting a warm welcome when/if she gets their planet?

I'm also wondering if there are deleted flashbacks of Guy Pearce's character. I mean, why cast an actor in his forties to play a very, very old man. It made me recall Winnona Ryder playing Spock's mother.
Still, I thought it was a captivating movie and I'd be curious to see where they could go from here. I guess the fact that I'm still pondering some of the questions instead of instantly forgetting everything is something of a positive. :lol:

Why So Blu? 06-10-12 01:17 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by joe_b (Post 11266299)
Spoiler:
I feel that David had already sized up the "Engineers" as superior beings and his scientific curiosity to understand their methods overruled his programming. Didn't hurt that Holloway was so condescending that it made him the perfect test subject.

MAJOR SPOILERS:

I agree, the movie was flawed and I'm not sure I understood the point. So these beings created mankind, then later decided to test some black substance that would destroy us because they regretted their creation? Then for some reason things got out of hand and they didn't follow through -- so now our heroine is determined to know "Why?". And this bacteria (or whatever it was) crossing with human DNA is what gave birth to the facehugger/Gieger alien as we will later know it in the original film? Also, after the beatdown she took from one of those things, is Elizabeth really expecting a warm welcome when/if she gets their planet?

I'm also wondering if there are deleted flashbacks of Guy Pearce's character. I mean, why cast an actor in his forties to play a very, very old man. It made me recall Winnona Ryder playing Spock's mother.
Still, I thought it was a captivating movie and I'd be curious to see where they could go from here. I guess the fact that I'm still pondering some of the questions instead of instantly forgetting everything is something of a positive. :lol:


There is that clip of Guy as a young Weyland giving a speech at the WED conference that went viral.

gmanca 06-10-12 02:48 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Osiris3657 (Post 11266256)
I admittedly don't understand why
Spoiler:
David "poisoned" (for lack of a better word) the drink of Dr. Holloway
There were a few lines in the movie that explained this:
Spoiler:
Weyland is trying to find immortality and since early on they only found the vases with the bio-former, he wanted David to "try harder" so David tested it on someone to see if it could "create life."


Thinking back on the movie I still say it was fairly good on the whole although some of the plot points are annoying as they are irreconcilable, particularly
Spoiler:
The paintings depicting that star system and yet it's a place of death. With the added lines from Elba about how it might have been a military installation it shows a lack of care in making things connect as opposed to serving a basic purpose in moving the plot along. Then there's the exploded engineers' heads yet they were running away from something and the lost biologist who had the worm/alien go down his throat, nothing ever came of that.

MoviePage 06-10-12 02:59 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by StephenX (Post 11266254)
Wonder how many people said that about Blade Runner?
Probably less than the number of people who said "It's not that bad, I really enjoyed it, I don't see the problems!" etc. when The Phantom Menace was released. There were a lot of those people at the time, most of whom probably wouldn't admit it now (I'll admit it: I was one of those people. The hype and excitement has a way of influencing the experience, but time and hindsight don't prove so kind). We've been here before and we'll be here again.

Solid Snake 06-10-12 08:11 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
As the movie opened to the intro credits while beautiful...I thought, "this movie would have a better opening if they replaced this w/ the TED conference video." I do like the intro but it lacks power though it does have substantial meaning. Maybe it's just because I want more Guy Pearce in general, a great actor who should really be getting the same amount of roles that Fassbender gets. It just seemed kind of generic to open up w/ just very pretty swooping images of land and etc.

I do hope the hope the BD dwells into the creature design. I'd love to know more about the guy wearing the suit of the Engineer. That body was goddamn perfection, in the sense of architecture. Wonder how long it took to suit them up, how much was cgi on them, etc. Also it's ending w/ him is rather lackluster we don't really know what his intent was, we know what he was doing but his why is still a slight mystery. When he arose there was no fear. Slight wonderment but no fear. Then full on disgust. It was a beautiful image w/ him placing his hand on David. It seemed like David was finally acknowledged and it pleased David in a way. Great character that David 8 is.

The Bus 06-10-12 09:01 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Saw it and really liked it. Entertaining and visually one of the best-looking sci-fi films in recent memory.

So... was Vickers human? We know for sure the medical surgery pod wasn't for her (as it was configured for her real/figurative father).

Tom Creo 06-10-12 09:31 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Wow. Totally conflicted on this one.
The good:
-As evryone has stated, a beautiful film.
-The whole discovery of the cavern/ alien ship. Captivating.
-Theron and Fassbender. Developing huge crushes on both.(for some reason Im really digging the 30 something Charlize over her younger version)
- Liked the Elizabeth and David ending. I would watch a sequel to that.

The Bad:
-IMHO, the biggest mistake the film has is there really is no sense of dread in the film. No tension. No terror. Maybe some of the plot flaws/ questions would be answered if the characters displayed fear. Is that my fault for expecting this? Maybe, but that is what the trailors sold.
-" Cute" alien? And why the helmet removals? Lol
-Detested the Star Trek soundtrack.
-The ending. Not really the ridiculous Alien reveal but it started with the Enginer turning into Michael Myers and hell bent on killing Shaw.

So based on the ending and no real sense of danger, i can't really recommend it.

xage 06-10-12 10:21 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
What I have in mind is... Cross referencing Alien Vs Predator Movie, I guess the reason why they are planning to send black substance in Earth is because Aliens (xenomorph) multiplied in huge numbers 2000 yrs ago or maybe.. the predators are also their target.

I highly doubt about regretted their creation...

Originally Posted by joe_b (Post 11266299)
I agree, the movie was flawed and I'm not sure I understood the point. So these beings created mankind, then later decided to test some black substance that would destroy us because they regretted their creation?

Solid Snake 06-10-12 10:27 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
This movie isn't using AvP for anything.

TomOpus 06-10-12 11:04 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
My fiancιe and I saw this yesterday in IMAX. We both enjoyed it a lot, flaws and all. After reading some posts (finally) and the livejournal blog, I want to rewatch it.

rennervision 06-10-12 11:06 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I just wish people would stop trying to compare this to the brilliance of Blade Runner. Blade Runner didn't have nonsensical moments where people behaved irrationally and moved the plot along without any logic. Charlize Theron's emotionless character was the only one that reacted in a normal way to what was happening. (Part of what makes the first Alien so good is you can actually IDENTIFY with the characters based on their actions!) Even if your first viewing of Blade Runner was "meh", you could still read observations from others and walk away with a greater appreciation of the movie when you realized there were things you didn't fully grasp during the first viewing.

A movie that depends on yet another unfilmed sequel to make it "brilliant" does not impress me.

And I'm still having a hard time believing...
Spoiler:
a scientist with no pilot experience can now suddenly fly a giant alien spacecraft to an unknown planet with a robot's step-by-step instructions. The mind boggles as to what her first action will be if she actually reaches her destination.

Solid Snake 06-10-12 11:11 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by rennervision (Post 11266487)
And I'm still having a hard time believing...
Spoiler:
a scientist with no pilot experience can now suddenly fly a giant alien spacecraft to an unknown planet with a robot's step-by-step instructions. The mind boggles as to what her first action will be if she actually reaches her destination.
well she did have him w/ her. If HE could activate all the stuff he did...he could easily teach someone that not that beyond belief. Also to the latter part. We don't know exactly what will happen. But..I'm assuming they'll be a lot of surprises.

Why So Blu? 06-10-12 11:13 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11266377)
As the movie opened to the intro credits while beautiful...I thought, "this movie would have a better opening if they replaced this w/ the TED conference video." I do like the intro but it lacks power though it does have substantial meaning. Maybe it's just because I want more Guy Pearce in general, a great actor who should really be getting the same amount of roles that Fassbender gets. It just seemed kind of generic to open up w/ just very pretty swooping images of land and etc.

I do hope the hope the BD dwells into the creature design. I'd love to know more about the guy wearing the suit of the Engineer. That body was goddamn perfection, in the sense of architecture. Wonder how long it took to suit them up, how much was cgi on them, etc. Also it's ending w/ him is rather lackluster we don't really know what his intent was, we know what he was doing but his why is still a slight mystery. When he arose there was no fear. Slight wonderment but no fear. Then full on disgust. It was a beautiful image w/ him placing his hand on David. It seemed like David was finally acknowledged and it pleased David in a way. Great character that David 8 is.

I'll be getting this on Tuesday:


http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k5...PSL_SS500_.jpg

Why So Blu? 06-10-12 11:16 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
BTW, let's show a little respect and start putting comments in spoiler tags, please.

PopcornTreeCt 06-10-12 11:19 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by joe_b (Post 11266299)
Spoiler:
I feel that David had already sized up the "Engineers" as superior beings and his scientific curiosity to understand their methods overruled his programming. Didn't hurt that Holloway was so condescending that it made him the perfect test subject.

MAJOR SPOILERS:

I agree, the movie was flawed and I'm not sure I understood the point. So these beings created mankind, then later decided to test some black substance that would destroy us because they regretted their creation? Then for some reason things got out of hand and they didn't follow through -- so now our heroine is determined to know "Why?". And this bacteria (or whatever it was) crossing with human DNA is what gave birth to the facehugger/Gieger alien as we will later know it in the original film? Also, after the beatdown she took from one of those things, is Elizabeth really expecting a warm welcome when/if she gets their planet?

I'm also wondering if there are deleted flashbacks of Guy Pearce's character. I mean, why cast an actor in his forties to play a very, very old man. It made me recall Winnona Ryder playing Spock's mother.
Still, I thought it was a captivating movie and I'd be curious to see where they could go from here. I guess the fact that I'm still pondering some of the questions instead of instantly forgetting everything is something of a positive. :lol:
Spoiler:
I thought David's conversation with Holloway was very telling about why humans created androids. We've seen in the Terminator movies, and countless others, after humans have created AI they have to figure out a way to destroy it. This is how I saw the engineers/humans relationship.

MoviePage 06-10-12 11:34 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by rennervision (Post 11266487)
I just wish people would stop trying to compare this to the brilliance of Blade Runner. Blade Runner didn't have nonsensical moments where people behaved irrationally and moved the plot along without any logic. Charlize Theron's emotionless character was the only one that reacted in a normal way to what was happening. (Part of what makes the first Alien so good is you can actually IDENTIFY with the characters based on their actions!) Even if your first viewing of Blade Runner was "meh", you could still read observations from others and walk away with a greater appreciation of the movie when you realized there were things you didn't fully grasp during the first viewing.
Yup, this is a textbook case of a movie where the characters behave in ways to churn the plot along. There's nothing remotely believable or real about anything that anyone in this movie does. You can see it every step of the way through. I'm not sure why everyone's overlooking that.

I think it's telling that the only character in this overly-human-fiilled movie that everyone connects with or cares about is the emotionless android. And don't even try to tell me that was intentional.

Dr. DVD 06-10-12 11:35 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Appears there's lots of discussion worth having about the movie and more to it than meets the eye. Sounds like something a sci-fi movie is supposed to do.

Why So Blu? 06-10-12 11:37 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I read that Madagascar opened in first place.


/facepalm

Solid Snake 06-10-12 11:40 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 11266508)
Yup, this is a textbook case of a movie where the characters behave in ways to churn the plot along. There's nothing remotely believable or real about anything that anyone in this movie does. You can see it every step of the way through. I'm not sure why everyone's overlooking that.

I think it's telling that the only character in this overly-human-fiilled movie that everyone connects with or cares about is the emotionless android. And don't even try to tell me that was intentional.
Vickers. She had a damn brain on her. Janek too.

Why So Blu? 06-10-12 11:48 AM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Spoiler:
Also some people said that Idris was wasted as Janek, the pilot. Quite the opposite. Yeah, he was "just the pilot," but he wasn't clouded by trying to discover the meaning of life like the doctors were. In fact, when he found out what the oil was and what the Engineers may have been, he quickly said that it was military and that it had gotten out of control for the Engineers. Then that's when Shaw lays into him about wanting to know "more" and replies with "I DON'T CARE." That's his self preservation kicking in, but he changes that tone after she tells hims that he's "just a pilot." He thinks about the greater good and the sacrifice that he will make by crashing the ship into the alien craft.


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