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PopcornTreeCt 06-09-12 05:19 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11265918)
Yeah, someone already posted that on here a couple of hours ago.
I went through the previous pages but every other post is Supermallet bitching about something. I got tired of it and didn't read it all. My apologies.

Supermallet 06-09-12 05:20 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Again, I feel like the horror aspects blocked the film from meaningfully exploring those kind of questions.

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize we couldn't discuss movies in movie talk. I'll step away for now. If someone does feel like continuing the conversation (Ripley, looking at you here), you can PM me.

Lt Ripley 06-09-12 05:25 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265944)
Again, I feel like the horror aspects blocked the film from meaningfully exploring those kind of questions.

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize we couldn't discuss movies in movie talk. I'll step away for now. If someone does feel like continuing the conversation (Ripley, looking at you here), you can PM me.
Probably will be tomorrow before I pick it up again. About to go out for the evening. If I post while I am drinking, I will sound even more out there than I already do.

gmanca 06-09-12 05:29 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Supermallet, I thought you had some damn good points about how they shitted on the source material.

But there is no way Alien Resurrection was in any form better than this movie, even on the basic level that it had a real Xenomorph.

WeylandYutani 06-09-12 05:39 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265685)
Alien: Resurrection IS better than Prometheus. For one thing, it has actual Xenomorphs. For another, while the hybrid baby isn't the greatest thing in the world, it's still better designed than the squid baby in Prometheus and with the human eyes can be genuinely creepy. Also it wasn't trying to be 2001.

The only movies in the series I would say are worse than Prometheus are AvP and AvP:R. But that's only because of Fassbender. Take him out and this would be no better than the AvP movies.

I think a few months from now you are going to look back in this thread and have a good laugh at some of these posts. I don't doubt your disappointment with the film. As a lifelong fanatic of this franchise I was disappointed as well, but the film has just opened. The wound is fresh and the letdown is still hurting, but perspective is also important. To say that this isn't as good as Alien Resurrection and about on par with Alien vs. Predator: Requiem is defensive overreaction bordering on the preposterous.

man*machine 06-09-12 06:05 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I have to agree with Supermallet's comments. I thought the script was laughable and there were so many illogical or nonsensical actions, that it eventually just collapsed completely. Not that there wasn't much to admire, though. Visually stunning, definitely. There were some very effective moments and I liked the slow build of the early parts. So I was definitely with the film for the first hour, but once all the action stuff kicked in and characters doing one nonsensical thing after another, it just became more and more ridiculous - the worst visual moment being the CGI battle between the octopus facehugger and the Engineer. That was so horribly executed, I thought I was watching a cartoon. But even though I thought the movie as a whole was bad, I had a decent time watching it so that says something.

I saw the first 4 ALIEN movies opening day on their original releases (and #1 and #2 several times theatrically, at that) so I'm an old-timer, and especially love the first film. I have to say I don't really want to be thinking about these bald-headed Right Said Fred creatures as that space jockey the next time I watch ALIEN, though. It just kind of cheapens the mystery of it all now. I think that's the biggest offense PROMETHEUS does for me as a viewer. It tarnishes the mystery of that sequence in ALIEN for me from now on, but hopefully over time I can forget the imagery of the big bald meanies (or whatever they are, as we don't even know if they are mean, right?)

Also, this thread has been fascinating reading as many are predicting answers to so many holes or loose ends or motivations, etc. in the film. Is it too much to ask that a major motion picture be SELF-CONTAINED and make at least a good percentage of its plot and actions logical within the film itself? Why should I have to go see a sequel to figure out why Dave infected Halloway? Why do I have to see a sequel to learn what the Engineers had in mind or their mission? Or any of the motivations of anyone, for that matter? Shouldn't most of that make sense in the film I'm watching now? I'm not talking esoteric or mystical questions as in 2001. I'm talking regular logical plot points and character actions. If the sequel makes sense out of the mess, that doesn't make the mess any better on its own. This is not LORD OF THE RINGS and based on a trilogy of published books that will have loose ends to clear up in the sequels. It's a standalone film that should stand on its own. It may have sequels, but those should not be made just to make sense of the earlier film.

That said, I like hearing both sides of opinions on the film. For the people who love the movie, that's great. There's no wrong or right on either side, just varying opinions so it's best to just accept we all have one and enjoy the conversation. Don't take offense either way.

crazyronin 06-09-12 06:29 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
As someone who hasn't seen the movie, how do they explain the shrinking of the Space Jockey from 26 feet tall to 9 feet tall?

or am I reading the trailers/photos wrong?

Dr. DVD 06-09-12 07:00 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by crazyronin (Post 11265984)
As someone who hasn't seen the movie, how do they explain the shrinking of the Space Jockey from 26 feet tall to 9 feet tall?

or am I reading the trailers/photos wrong?
The latter. In the first Alien movie, notice that the Space Jockey has become fossilized into the seat and been such for a long time, so it appears to the naked eye that he is huge, when in reality most of it is the pilot's chair.

Q:
Spoiler:
Why would the Engineers leave a map showing how to get to their weapons stronghold if their big plan was to return to Earth and destroy it?

gmanca 06-09-12 07:26 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
"Why should I have to go see a sequel to figure out why Dave infected Halloway?"

The movie explicitly gave the answer.
Spoiler:
Weyland ordered David to "Try harder" and so he gave the bio-former to Holloway in Weyland's attempt at immortality

bcd 06-09-12 07:30 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 11266006)
The latter. In the first Alien movie, notice that the Space Jockey has become fossilized into the seat and been such for a long time, so it appears to the naked eye that he is huge, when in reality most of it is the pilot's chair.

Q:
Spoiler:
Why would the Engineers leave a map showing how to get to their weapons stronghold if their big plan was to return to Earth and destroy it?
Spoiler:

I like to think that it was a game by the engineers. They each selected worlds and the first Engineer who had a response from his planet wins. Hence leaving a map. The first civilization that showed promise would arrive here. I am guessing that they wouldn't want them arriving or for that matter knowing where they originated, so this was a midway station. I would guess that the DNA expirament visualized in the opening scene happened at many different worlds.

HistoryProf 06-09-12 08:04 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11265440)
That's what I figured, but it's utterly stupid that they
Spoiler:
had the crashed ship look exactly like it did in "Alien"
it doesn't look exactly the same - and given the shape of the ship how else would you expect it to end up on the ground? it's not going to be end up! :lol:

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 08:09 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by brizz (Post 11266048)
it doesn't look exactly the same - and given the shape of the ship how else would you expect it to end up on the ground? it's not going to be end up! :lol:

Exactly.

onebyone 06-09-12 08:14 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 11265885)
Here is an AWESOME write up on the film's symbolism. Someone posted it on reddit and it came from here.
That was a fantastic write up. Thanks for posting.

I really enjoyed the movie and wanted to see it again immediately once it ended. I will probably see it again next weekend. I was pretty spoiler and review free (except for Ebert) going in so I am surprised that so many people don't like it. Worse than Alien Resurrection? I cannot even fathom that. Oh well, different strokes..

foofighters7 06-09-12 08:44 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265905)
Spoiler:
I don't even consider David a villain. He's the most sympathetic character in the group, fueled by real curiosity and an urge to prove himself to be superior to the collected idiots and assholes around him. If anything, he's the hero of the piece. I'm talking about the Engineers, who are threatening to destroy Earth, and all the various creatures.
Spoiler:
I don't really view David as a villain either but his motivations seem the most ill willed to me. He seems like he has grown to have feelings and longs for the ability to feel human or feel above humans. He decides (in a rather childish little boy flushing daddies keys down the toilet because he won't take him to the park way) to see what will happen if he launches this domino effect upon humans. He takes one of the goo pots and tries to get Shaw in the sleep chamber, presumably to bring her back to earth infected.
I do believe his character realizes the error of his ways and repents. I found him very sympathetic but the reasons behind other characters motivations were overall less sinister or unknown (as in the case of the engineer).
Vickers didn't seem evil at all. In fact she seemed to have some actual common sense that is usually lost in these type of films. She didn't let Holloway back on board, and seemed very uneasy with what was going on. She has an agenda but I don't see it as a sinister one, rather one of greed perhaps.
Without truly knowing what the Engineer's motives are I can't quite blame him for trying to kill them. He seems to have a valid reason, but who knows!

Solid Snake 06-09-12 08:50 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I just noticed...why are we spoilering in the review thread? Shouldn't it be kind of known that stuff may be spoiled in...a review thread?

bcd 06-09-12 09:01 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I spoil on specifics. I know that from time to time I cruise review threads look at the poll results, and the posts that are favorable or not and I try to stay away from specifics. Yes, in theory it does seem silly though...

Why So Blu? 06-09-12 09:24 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11266080)
I just noticed...why are we spoilering in the review thread? Shouldn't it be kind of known that stuff may be spoiled in...a review thread?
Don't ask me, I've been spoiling tagging everything I've written.

Dr. DVD 06-09-12 09:28 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by onebyone (Post 11266053)
I am surprised that so many people don't like it. Worse than Alien Resurrection? I cannot even fathom that. Oh well, different strokes..
Actually, most of us here seem to like it but admit it has its flaws. Aside from a couple of members who openly revile it, we think it's pretty good.

foofighters7 06-09-12 09:32 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Shoot, here goes without the spoiler...Luke is Darth Vader's son. There, it's ruined. Let's move on now without the spoiler tags.

Dr. DVD 06-09-12 09:39 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Oh, the movie is also standing at 74% on rottentomatoes.com . Not perfect, but still certified fresh, and most like it. Of course that's among critics, general audiences might think different, but I've spoken to several people outside of this forum who have and they seem to like it overall, but admit it's not perfect.

HistoryProf 06-09-12 09:48 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265685)
Alien: Resurrection IS better than Prometheus. For one thing, it has actual Xenomorphs. For another, while the hybrid baby isn't the greatest thing in the world, it's still better designed than the squid baby in Prometheus and with the human eyes can be genuinely creepy. Also it wasn't trying to be 2001.
This is a ridiculous criticism. it's a very flawed film, but this is akin to saying it sucks because it's different than you wanted it to be. The movie was NEVER going to be about the xenomorphs according to Ridley. the entire point was to move away from that aspect of the original film and explore other aspects of this universe. Saying one movie is better because it has creatures not in the other when the other movie isn't about those creatures is idiotic.

HistoryProf 06-09-12 09:52 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11265728)
I'm offended because this movie should have been excellent. Instead, it's not even good. Alien and Blade Runner are two of my favorite films. Scott's return to sci-fi should have been triumphant. He should have made people think while scaring the bejeezus out of them and making them stare in awe at worlds never before seen. Instead we got a movie that is to Alien what Phantom Menace is to Star Wars.

People say it has no connection to Alien. That's bullshit. Pure, outright bullshit. It was intended to be a prequel, and when they changed the premise they just substituted some generic monsters for the Xenomorph. It's a fucking search and replace job in Final Draft.

So yes, I'm mad. I'm mad because this should have been more. Because it could have been more. Because this confirms that Scott can't tell a good idea from a bad one. Because people still pay Lindelof to write when it's clear he sucks at it. Because Fassbender proves how good the rest of the movie could have been.
again, you're mad because it's not what YOU wanted. it IS what he wanted. He said all along it wouldn't be a true prequel....just another story in that universe. It's silly to say a movie sucks because the director made a movie different than you wish he had :lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18298709

bcd 06-09-12 09:56 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by foofighters7 (Post 11266125)
Shoot, here goes without the spoiler...Luke is Darth Vader's son. There, it's ruined. Let's move on now without the spoiler tags.
Wait WTF?!?! This is the exact reason that I use spoiler tags!!!! :D

crazyronin 06-09-12 11:17 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 11266006)
The latter. In the first Alien movie, notice that the Space Jockey has become fossilized into the seat and been such for a long time, so it appears to the naked eye that he is huge, when in reality most of it is the pilot's chair.

Q:
Spoiler:
Why would the Engineers leave a map showing how to get to their weapons stronghold if their big plan was to return to Earth and destroy it?
Two things: 1. If you watch the first movie, the astronauts are smaller than the Space Jockey's arm (slightly longer than the SJ's forearm.) And b) 26 feet was the length of the SJ's model body (not including the pilot's chair.)

MoviePage 06-09-12 11:29 PM
Re: Prometheus aka Прометей (Scott, 2012) — The Reviews Thread
 
I have to mostly agree with Supermallet here, although I feel that he might've over-nitpicked a bit in his long list of complaints. Saw the movie tonight with no preconceived notions about what it should be, still thought it was pretty bad due to the awful plotting, awful characterizations (or lack thereof), obvious and excessive cuts that made action and plot disjointed, etc.

Like most event movies with lots of hype and high expectations, people are overrating its real worth because they enjoyed its positive qualities. Heck, I mostly enjoyed the movie while it was on screen. The visuals are superb for the most part and Fassbender is phenomenal. But it's not a film that will be remembered kindly with time. There will be no excited fans lined up to see the Prometheus 30th Anniversary special screenings.

Also, elderly Guy Pearce is the worst makeup job I've seen in a big Hollywood production in ages. And Patrick Wilson's cringeworthy attempt at a British accent - whose casting idea was that?


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