Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
02-24-12 | 01:31 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
They are not upset if a film has an agenda. They are only upset when a film has an agenda that they do not agree with. If the agenda was something that they supported, the vagina between their ears that is incapable of logical thought would have a big juicy orgasm. However, since the agenda of this film makes the vagina between their ears cry, they complain and whine about the movie.
That said, I have no interest in this film.
That said, I have no interest in this film.
02-24-12 | 01:38 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
02-24-12 | 02:49 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
To quote Sam Axe from Burn Notice ..
"You guys are a bunch of bitchy little girls".
I can't recall the last time any movie created this much damn controversy (maybe Passion of the Christ). Give me a break here ... its a movie where tons of stuff gets blown up, people get headshot and people die - big time. Should be a nice big dumb realistic looking action flick. Will it have the pop and flash of Hollywood .. nope but that's not a bad thing. And yes if you are looking for ACTING ... seek elsewhere!
Personally I think you guys are nuts to think that people are going to rush right out to join ANY military force just because of this movie.
This is just my opinion plain and simple ... I have not been swayed by the Navy or any other government officials in any way.
(I have not seen the movie either ... just for reference).
Greg
EDIT -- I hate to tell you guys but EVERY movie every made has some sort of agenda to it. It might as simple as lining the pockets of someone but there is an agenda to EVERY movie. So who gives a damn if the Navy made this movie to recruit? If they don't recruit who the hell is going to defend this country we all love so much?
"You guys are a bunch of bitchy little girls".
I can't recall the last time any movie created this much damn controversy (maybe Passion of the Christ). Give me a break here ... its a movie where tons of stuff gets blown up, people get headshot and people die - big time. Should be a nice big dumb realistic looking action flick. Will it have the pop and flash of Hollywood .. nope but that's not a bad thing. And yes if you are looking for ACTING ... seek elsewhere!
Personally I think you guys are nuts to think that people are going to rush right out to join ANY military force just because of this movie.
This is just my opinion plain and simple ... I have not been swayed by the Navy or any other government officials in any way.
(I have not seen the movie either ... just for reference).
Greg
EDIT -- I hate to tell you guys but EVERY movie every made has some sort of agenda to it. It might as simple as lining the pockets of someone but there is an agenda to EVERY movie. So who gives a damn if the Navy made this movie to recruit? If they don't recruit who the hell is going to defend this country we all love so much?
02-24-12 | 03:09 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
I think you're overstating; the "controversy" here is a storm in a teacup. I would liken the anti-jingoist detractors as a slightly larger and louder group than the few who continually complain about National Guard ads before movies and Marines ads where they fight CG dragons.
02-24-12 | 03:14 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
You make it sound like everyone who joins the military becomes some sort of sniper/assassin. If someone wants to serve their country after watching this movie, more power to them. Will they get to become a Navy SEAL? In most cases, no.
I really don't see that many kids heading to their local recruiter's office asking about the SEAL program after seeing this movie. There are plenty of video games they can play. When Top Gun came out there was a huge interest in becoming a Navy pilot. A lot of today's commercial pilots came out the military. Also a lot of policemen and firemen. People that risk their lives to protect yours.
I really don't see that many kids heading to their local recruiter's office asking about the SEAL program after seeing this movie. There are plenty of video games they can play. When Top Gun came out there was a huge interest in becoming a Navy pilot. A lot of today's commercial pilots came out the military. Also a lot of policemen and firemen. People that risk their lives to protect yours.
02-24-12 | 03:31 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Maybe the Navy didn't actually provide funding for the production. However, if they gave the filmmakers "in-kind" services, in the form of providing equipment/weaponry/vehicles/personnel, etc., that would have shaved millions off the film's budget and the filmmakers should have acknowledged it, instead of claiming complete independence. And I don't see how they could have made this film without such services. I think the filmmakers are basically glossing over the Navy's participation in the film's production and I find that somewhat dishonest.
02-24-12 | 03:42 PM
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02-24-12 | 03:51 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Maybe the Navy didn't actually provide funding for the production. However, if they gave the filmmakers "in-kind" services, in the form of providing equipment/weaponry/vehicles/personnel, etc., that would have shaved millions off the film's budget and the filmmakers should have acknowledged it, instead of claiming complete independence. And I don't see how they could have made this film without such services. I think the filmmakers are basically glossing over the Navy's participation in the film's production and I find that somewhat dishonest.
02-24-12 | 03:57 PM
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02-24-12 | 04:08 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Maybe the Navy didn't actually provide funding for the production. However, if they gave the filmmakers "in-kind" services, in the form of providing equipment/weaponry/vehicles/personnel, etc., that would have shaved millions off the film's budget and the filmmakers should have acknowledged it, instead of claiming complete independence. And I don't see how they could have made this film without such services. I think the filmmakers are basically glossing over the Navy's participation in the film's production and I find that somewhat dishonest.
From that Hollywood Reporter article I posted a few pages back:
Even though the movie did not go through all the normal Defense Department channels when it was made, they had the cooperation of the Navy, and got unprecedented cooperation and access, which made the production possible on the relativity low budget on which it was produced.
“After the fact (the Defense Department) looked at the movie and determined that nothing in the movie was an issue or threat,” says Tooley. “They really liked the message of the film, the accuracy, the strict specificity of the SEALs and what they did. They were very supportive.”
The biggest break was getting to shoot on a real nuclear submarine, which Waugh says is the first time anyone has been allowed to photograph one up close. However, it took months of requests and negotiations and when the time came, the filmmakers were given only one day’s notice to be ready to travel half way across the world.
“They would only tell us the day before what ocean it was going to be in,” says Waugh. “That day they said ‘OK here’s your grid course and time locale. Show up. Be there at 1600 hours. You have 40 minutes to work while we surface. Once we go down we are gone.’”
That meant doing what would normally take 4 days in 40 minutes. Kavanaugh says in actuality after they got there and got set up, they had more like 14 minutes to get their shots. “It’s the first time in movie history, in any movie, that they shown an actually nuclear submarine,” says Kavanaugh.
“After the fact (the Defense Department) looked at the movie and determined that nothing in the movie was an issue or threat,” says Tooley. “They really liked the message of the film, the accuracy, the strict specificity of the SEALs and what they did. They were very supportive.”
The biggest break was getting to shoot on a real nuclear submarine, which Waugh says is the first time anyone has been allowed to photograph one up close. However, it took months of requests and negotiations and when the time came, the filmmakers were given only one day’s notice to be ready to travel half way across the world.
“They would only tell us the day before what ocean it was going to be in,” says Waugh. “That day they said ‘OK here’s your grid course and time locale. Show up. Be there at 1600 hours. You have 40 minutes to work while we surface. Once we go down we are gone.’”
That meant doing what would normally take 4 days in 40 minutes. Kavanaugh says in actuality after they got there and got set up, they had more like 14 minutes to get their shots. “It’s the first time in movie history, in any movie, that they shown an actually nuclear submarine,” says Kavanaugh.
02-24-12 | 04:16 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Don't worry, you'll get your chance to massacre civilians in Iran soon enough, since our government seems ready to attack Tehran any day now. The US military does not help people, it is trained to kill people, cf. Haditha. 24 unarmed men, women, and children shot deliberately by American troops, nobody went to jail. THAT is what the US military does, and what this movie glorifies.
02-24-12 | 04:25 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Yep, that is the only thing they do. Where you got that I am a military supporter kind of boggles me. My whole rant was about pussies that can't accept any viewpoint than their own. Guess you missed that. Shocking.
02-24-12 | 04:27 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
“It’s the first time in movie history, in any movie, that they shown an actually nuclear submarine,” says Kavanaugh.
Generalize much?
02-24-12 | 04:37 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
We can also mention the many incidents of civilians being deliberately targeted in Iraq and Afghanistan, but what's the point? This is a country that elects an admitted torturer to Congress.
02-24-12 | 05:16 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
We can also mention the many incidents of civilians being deliberately targeted in Iraq and Afghanistan, but what's the point?
02-24-12 | 05:32 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
I don't think people who support the US military think about thing this way. They have no comprehension of what it would be like to be on the other end of the US military bloodlust.
Also this thread seems like it may need to be moved to the political film forum.
02-24-12 | 05:51 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Gee, I wonder who started this anti-military rant?
02-24-12 | 05:54 PM
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02-24-12 | 05:55 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
I think that is a whole hell of a lot different and an inappropriate analogy to make. The police are needed in this country. But how would you like it if all of sudden you were out shopping in a public are and along comes some Afghan troops who proceed to mow down you, your family and another dozen or two completely innocent people.
I don't think people who support the US military think about thing this way. They have no comprehension of what it would be like to be on the other end of the US military bloodlust.
Also this thread seems like it may need to be moved to the political film forum.
I don't think people who support the US military think about thing this way. They have no comprehension of what it would be like to be on the other end of the US military bloodlust.
Also this thread seems like it may need to be moved to the political film forum.
There's always two sides to a story, but if the other side would refute what you want to believe, you don't want to hear it.
02-24-12 | 05:57 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
I have yet to see anyone highlight the political agenda this film is trying to put forward. The movie features and is about professional soldiers and what they do, put into the context of a fictional storyline. That's it. The Navy did not write or direct or finance/produce this film; it had their support and cooperation obviously but they did not create it.
02-24-12 | 07:14 PM
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Re: Act of Valor -- 2/17/12 -- (starring active duty Navy SEALs)
Well it looks like this movie is opening to at least $30 million this weekend. I figured this would do very well. I am sure they will be making a sequel. SO just great . We will be getting more of this kinda film. Perfect. Soon we will be having youtube : the movie!
I could say something really nasty regarding the audience for this but I dont think that's necessary.
I could say something really nasty regarding the audience for this but I dont think that's necessary.