EVERYTHING that was wrong with INDY4....
 

Hello Friends!


Big Indiana Jones fan here. I've been still reading in this forum lately that people are still convinced that CRYSTAL SKULL was a DECENT film......even though it didn't compare with the original trilogy. I've compiled a list of just about EVERYTHING that went wrong in INDY 4. It's one of the worst sequels of ALL-TIME imo. Again, that's coming from a franchise where the original film was GREAT!! Hope you guys get a kick out of this list.


1. How many shots did we need of Groundhogs? None, but we got 4 or 5.

2. Using "HOUND DOG" by Elvis during opening credits. I get it Lucas....we are in the 50s now.

3. The Warehouse. What was the point of having the opening sequence take place in the warehouse from the end of RAIDERS? Just so we can have that one quick shot of the ark as Lucas winks at the camera.

4. Why is there a working tv playing Howdy Doody in that fake house with lead fridge?

5. Why is there a mannequin watering his fake front yard?

6. Nuke fridge. Need I say more?

7. Indy getting his privates scrubbed because of possible radiation exposure. Yeah Lucas, very Funny.

8. Why are there publicity stills of Henry Sr. and Willie from the other films in Indy's house?

9. Shia LaBeouf. Can someone tell Hollywood to stop matching this kid up with A-List actors? He is a tv actor AT BEST!

10. How did Mutt know Indy was at the train station? And just in time as the train was leaving.

11. Mutt's hair. Worst greaser hair since Fonzie.

12. What was with Mutt's switchblade? He never used it for anything! So why show he is handy with one? It that supposed to connect up with the sword fighting on the jeeps? Still doesn't make sense.

13. The motorcycle chase through the campus. One of the most uninspired action sequences I've ever seen! I actually went to Yale in June of '07 to watch them shoot this piece of shit.

14. Indy and Mutt at the graveyard. You had these things jumping out of trees and Indy hitting them with shovels. ZZZZZzzzzz

15. Mutt: "You're a teacher?" Indy: "Part time." Just a terrible piece of dialogue. David Koepp is one of the worst and most overrated screenwriters in Hollywood.

16. Indy and Mutt enter cave and find crystal skull. This whole scene is SO BORING and it goes on FOREVER!!! I actually forgot what they were doing here after a while.

17. Indy and Mutt reach prison where Oxley was staying. In this scene, we have to watch Mutt cry for some reason. Good Lord!

18. Cate Blanchett. Women don't make good villians...PERIOD! Especially if they are written by David Keopp. Listen to all her dialog next time. It's all cliched nonsense!

19. The scene where Indy is getting brainwashed by skull in tent with Spalko. More boring stuff.

20. Marion. She was AWSOME in the first film. Here she has NOTHING to do! The first meeting between her and Indy is written so poorly beyond belief. And watch how bad Ford is in this scene. His acting is just terrible.

21. The scene in quicksand. This scene was SO BAD for so many reasons. The snake. The dialog. Marion's confession that Mutt is Indy's son. This scene was so bad, I remember feeling embarrassed for the filmmakers. I wanted to turn my head away from the screen at this point.

22. John Hurt. All he does in this film is mumble.

23. Indy having to solve these stupid riddles/puzzles. ZZZZzzzz

24. The jungle chase. Another uninspired action sequence. I remember producer Frank Marshall saying that this scene was on par with the truck chase in RAIDERS. Is he out of his friggin mind? We get boring sword fighting, Mutt getting hit in the balls with trees and Mutt swinging from vines with monkeys. Embarrassing!

25. The waterfall sequence. We get Indy and Co. going over 3 waterfalls. Wow.....pretty exciting.

26. No one seems to mention this, but after the waterfall sequence and they all reach land, Marion is still pretending she is driving the truck by holding the steering wheel. Wtf???

27. Ants? It's bad enough we get ants this time, but CGI ants? They couldn't even give us the real thing.

28. Mac. He kept going back and forth between good and bad. Who cares?! His character was so pointless. I mean that too!

29. The ENTIRE 3rd act! All this stuff is just nonsense. Bad acting, bad CGI ect....

30. Indy getting married. Why did we need to see this? You can imply it, but don't show it.

31. John Williams. He is a GOD! But this is one of the WORST soundtracks he's ever done. But how do you compose to crap? Even his scores for THE PREQUELS were just God awful. But once again, how do you compose to crap? Try to hum a theme (besides the main theme) from this film. You can't do it..can you?



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Feel better?

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I want to know how he really feels.

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I didn't find the movie the travesty others did, but overall lackluster. However, I also didn't feel the enumerate all the reasons in a totally self-serving thread either.

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It's better than Temple of Doom

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:lol: @Numanoid.

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I enjoyed this film precisely because it was set up as a live-action cartoon right at the beginning, with Cate Blanchett's Natasha (from Rocky & Bullwinkle) impersonation (a very good one, btw). So I beg to differ with your assertion that women don't make good villains. And Indy getting bounced around in the refrigerator. That made me laugh. And a lot of the movie made me laugh. It was a comedy! What the hell's so hard to understand about that?

I have to confess, though, that Shia LaBeouf's scenes on campus blur in my head with the scenes of him on campus from TRANSFORMERS 2, so I'm still not sure that that hot alien babe from his dorm room isn't in this one also.

Plus, I was really happy to see Karen Allen again--one of my top '70s movie crushes (ANIMAL HOUSE, THE WANDERERS, etc.).

Plus, it was good to see Spielberg acknowledge the existence of aliens again. Hopefully, in my lifetime the truth will come out.

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Way better. I mean, it wasn't up to Raiders or the Last Crusade standards, but I liked it for what it was.

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Hey, that's greeeeat...

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No way was that movie better than Temple of Doom; seriously I thought it was an ok movie but it was nowhere near the quality that Temple was. I mean the movie barely had Indiana doing the things that the prior movies showcased the character as, like how he really didn't know much about the ruins or how the skulls would open the door; he really just stumbled along through each plot point.

I wrote what I thought should have been improved on when I first saw Indy 4, trying to make them legitimate gripes about the character and story faults:

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Even TEMPLE OF DOOM at its worst, it's so much better than CRYSTAL SKULL. The mine car cash and the bridge sequence alone were better than anything CRYSTAL SKULL have to offer.

I don't mind humor in the Indiana Jones films. But when it's shoved in your face and not funny to begin with, it's painful.

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They nuked the fridge with that sequel.

I blame Lucas.

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....I literally thought you were going to critque the hell out of this film..you didn't. It's more childish rant than actual critique w/ fully concluded points. Reads like you're some new member to this forum and want me to tell you what's the greatest film ever: The Shutter Island or The Shawshank Redemption. Pass. At least gmanca went about it right.

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I just watched this again last week.

I don't particularly disagree with any of the points mentioned, but for whatever reason none of them bothered me that much, and I have a blast watching this one. I still think Raiders is the best, but this one is on par with the other two in my book.

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Could it be improved? Sure. Was it terrible? No. it was just a fun serial adventure with a 50's sci-fi flavor.

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The first three movies have been watched so many times, and ingrained into my memories so well, that there was no way a fourth movie could have held up on one viewing. Multiple viewings help me to enjoy the movie for what it is, and it fits in with the first three fairly well.

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This...
and this.

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The only parts of Crystal Skull that I truly thought sucked were:
1) Shia LeBouf swinging around like Tarzan; lame and idiotic.

2) When Indy is trying to leave on the train and the filmmakers are trying really hard to play the whole "look at this worn out old man whom nobody wants anymore" card. Then having Mutt Williams show up and call him back into action thus re-invigorating his spirit! :yack:

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It isn't so much a bad movie as it is disappointing. They had 20 years to come up with something, and this was it?

I was hoping this was going to be one of those RedLetterMedia reviews of the movie :(

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Haha, this is exactly what I was thinking as I was reading the OP's post.

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I especially like 23...Indy having to solve this stupid riddles/puzzles ZZZZzzzz

Ummm...have you actually even seen an Indiana Jones movie? That's what he does in all the movies. If you want me to I could probably name like 50 puzzles that he solved in the first 3 movies. I mean that's basically the entire point of the series. Hell, the opening scene of Raiders alone has like 3 or 4 puzzles that Indy solves.

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that's not new news in the slightest.

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In brief...

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i like movies

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I like turtles

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He raped my childhood.

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I love lamp

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Yes OP please confine yourself to altruistic threads in the future like this poster.

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My local Fox channel aired a Seinfeld ep called The Wait Out that had Cary Elwes married to Debra Messing. They slpit up and she cited one reason being he always asked himself questions that he would also answer himself.

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BETH: Like in the middle of our fight last night he did this thing that he always does where he asks questions to himself, aloud. And then answers them.


[Jump to David and Elaine out to Dinner]

DAVID: Am I happy Beth left me? Of course not. Do I hope to pick up the pieces and move on? Absolutely


(Elaine sitting in a chair and Jerry in his Kitchen)

ELAINE: Did I have a great time with David Lickner last night? I sure did. (Jerry comes over to the couch with a beverage and sits down) Do I think there is a future here? I don't see why not.

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The movie is a fun albeit flawed sequel.

This thread should be collapsed into the general Indy 4 thread as it offers nothing new that wasn't already discussed when it was released.

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Don't worry, Indy 5 will be so much better!


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I enjoyed it. Although my tastes have matured, and the ants scene really got to me, since the kids I watched this with couldn't take their eyes off the screen, I would say this was a win.

Sure, there were a lot of problems with the flick, but look at the old Indy movies. They hold up, but they are not immune from aging and their inherent problems.

Imagine the pressure the producers and writers were under for this one. They had to make an over the top flick assuming they would get only one chance and would have to please everyone all at once.

I'm sure you could have done a better job making this movie, but you didn't.

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Crystal Skull is not the worst movie ever and I agree that you get more comfortable with it after multiple viewings...

... however, all you Temple of Doom haters can suck it! :D
Certainly, Raiders is the best film and would be the one I'd recommended to anyone who could only see one Indiana Jones film... but Temple is far and away my favorite of the series.

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I disagree about the motorcycle chase. Easily the best action sequence in the movie, because there are stuntmen on actual motorcycles and in real cars, and the campus doesn't look like a set.

The Darabont screenplay was much better, ESPECIALLY in terms of retaining Marion's character. And of all the things wrong with Crystal Skull, I think I might've even been able to forgive Shia swinging with the monkeys if Darabont's accurate take on Marion were retained in the movie. It might've even made Ford better, because when Marion is neutered, Indy has nothing to bounce off of.

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Everything that was wrong can be summed up in two words

George Lucas

end of discussion

and I love Temple of Doom. It was the first Indy movie I saw when I was a kid.

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Forget about making another sequel that lives up to the other three. They had fifteen years to at least make a good movie. They couldn't even do that. I know one thing, I could have pitched a better idea for a sequel than Lucas did.

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This. Crystal Skull isn't worthy enough to clean Temple of Doom's underwear.

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:up: Agreed!
Raiders is the best
Temple is the most fun
Last Crusade is the most boring
and Crystal Skull is the worst

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Die Hard 2 is better than Indy 4.

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