I'm not a fan of the comics, so I really don't get the love for the mechanical shooters.

You mean to tell me he gets bitten by a radioactive spider, gets all the abilities of a spider EXCEPT shooting webs? Makes no sense to me.

I've heard all the reasons, but for me the organic shooters are just better.

Even though I was a member here ten years ago, I wasn't posting much so I must have missed it. How did the pro-mechanicals lose? The comics actually did give Spidey organic webs because of the movie for awhile. There was a storyline called The Other which caused him to mutate and gain more spider-powers including organic webs. That storyline was widely derided by fans and was quickly retconned and returned to mechanical webshooters. So if the pro-mechanicals lost the argument, why did that happen? If they lost, then why also aren't they using organic webs in this movie?




Not a fan of the comics? Then that's why you don't care. You don't care about the source material. Any true fan of the comics hates organics. A casual fan like yourself who only watches the movies wouldn't care what they do. They could make him an alien for all you care.

Why doesn't organic webs makes sense? Well for starters a spider shoots webs out of his ass, so if Peter had organic webs he would be shooting them out his ass not his wrists. Peter certainly did not get all the abilities of a spider either. He didn't grow extra arms and legs (although there was an old Stan Lee story where Peter tried to get rid of his powers but the formula backfired and caused him to grow extra arms becoming more like a spider).

And it wasn't even my intention to start an argument like this, but I guess I should have expected differently on a forum where most people probably don't read the comics and are really just casual fans who only watch the movies. If I had posted it on an actual comic forum people would be agreeing with me.

Not to mention that the mechanical web shooters are an example of Peter Parker's scientific prowess, which was an element that was lacking in the movies. As an aside, in the Ultimate comics, he completed the mechanical web formula in the form of his dad's unfinished work, so that added a different slant to the shooters.

I remember reading about Raimi saying that he didn't find it believable that a teenage kid could come up with something that not even 3M could invent on the fly, so that was his rationale at the time.

I couldn't give a wet rat fart about mechanical or organic web shooters, but if you were going to go the organic route, shouldn't he be shooting the webs from his ass like a real spider?

I like the comics, and organic shooters made sense to me I don't think it detracted from the movie or made much of a difference at all.

Now, about the scratches on Captain America's shield...

My problem w/ the organic shooters is that..wouldn't he get really tired after some time shooting the webs and doing everything else. He's literally exerting out an element which who knows how much energy that takes.

When he shoots web his wrists light up.

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I don't think movie Cap's shield was ever said to be made of adamantium.


That's somewhat how Spider-man beat Venom in his first appearance. Venom does have organic webs that are made of the alien symbiote itself. If the symbiote uses too much of itself to create webbing it gets severely weakened, and that's how Spider-man beat him the first time around.

Its kind of like blood I guess. Your blood regenerates itself but its a slow process that takes several days. You lose too much blood too quickly and bad things happen.

I don't think you got the joke.

If he shoots webs out of his ass in the movie I'll take back every negative thing I've said about it so far.

I thought he was just poking fun at us debating organic vs mechanical webshooters by saying Cap's shield is supposed to be unscratchable due to being made of adamantium and therefore his scratched shield in the movie isn't true to the source material.

Kind of but it's mostly something we were bitching about here on the forums.

Those were James Cameron's idea if I'm not mistaken, back when he was developing a Spider-Man film many years before the Raimi films were made.

I don't read comic books at all, yet I love these comic-based films.

I don't give a 'wet rat fart' if you think people who don't read the comics are true fans or not. That kind of elitist attitude is horseshit. These aren't comic book characters anymore, they are true multimedia characters and diverse interpretations is a good thing, at least most of the time.

Its not elitist so much as its just impossible to be a true fan without being a fan of the source material.

You aren't truly a fan of LOTR if you have only ever seen Peter Jackson's movies and never read the books. You aren't truly a fan of Harry Potter if you only ever saw the movies and never read the books. You aren't truly a Star Trek fan if you only ever saw the movie and never watched the TV series. And so on.

Its casual fans that think Robin is a crappy character because they are only familiar with Robin from the Adam West TV series or Schumacher's Robin. Its casual fans that thinking changing the TMNT into aliens is okay. Fans of the source material know better.

Any true Spider-man fan will react with extreme disgust whenever you mention "Sins Past" and/or "One More Day." To a casual movie watcher, these terms are meaningless and indicates they aren't truly a fan of the character.

The source material is what separates a true fan from the casuals. Its okay to be a casual, but don't ever call yourself a fan because any fan of Spider-man knows what a giant shitstorm One More Day was.

"True fan" is something people like to use to act like their opinion is more important.

I mean it in the nicest way.

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How can you be a "true fan" of something and not even know its history? And to know the history you have to know the source material.

For example, some people say Robin is a crappy character, yet more than likely the only Robin they even know is Dick Grayson. They don't even know the history of Robin. So yes, their opinion isn't really valid because their knowledge of the character is severely outdated.

Well in live action he'd be crappy and I'm a fan of the character.

But obviously not a true fan!

Something to lighten the mood

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This is an interesting question, so on a related note I'm curious: To be a true fan of a band, do you have to know all the band members names and the years that they were with said band (if applicable)? What about their previous works? For example, do you have to have listened to all of Page's work with The Yardbirds first in order to be a true fan of Zeppelin, or the original blues songs that inspired their early works?

kgrogers1979 is arguing from the viewpoint that one needs to read the comics in order to fully enjoy and appreciate the films, which as history shows us, isn't the right way to do it. Rather than repost the same old logic that doesn't sink in, I'll just link to this handy Cracked article, posted just yesterday!



Six common movie arguments that are ALWAYS wrong

The issue I always had with the mechanical shooters is that they never showed on the costume. When he'd pull up the sleave to reload them, they looked pretty thick. Then he'd pull the sleave down and there weren't any bulges on his arms. There were a few varieties where it seemed to be slimmed down but it still never showed.