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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
I stopped after reading about a 1/3rd of that, but does any of what Polanski said make it right?
For example: Polanski's claim that he "withdrew before climax" WTF??? Your post and "evidence" proves Polanski is a sicko perv who should spend the rest of his life behind bars. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
So what I've learned from this thread is that, if I ever feal inclined to molest a 13 year old girl, I'm in the clear as long as I pull out before I cum. Seriously, what the fuck?!
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that in her grand jury testimony the alleged victim admitted that "I can barely remember anything that happened."
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that the medical exam done on her that very night found no indication whatsoever of anal intercourse having occurring. It also found no evidence of semen inside her body whatsoever. Polanski's claim that he "withdrew before climax" without performing anal intercourse matches this evidence, the alleged victim's claim that he "climaxed in her anus" does not match it at all.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that the medical exam also found no evidence of forced vaginal intercourse, which more closely matches Polanski's long-standing claim that it was consensual sex instead of the alleged victim's claim that sex was forced against her will. And perhaps her claims of repeating saying "No" found in the infamous grand jury testimony were all coached and not actually vocalized by her at the time. There's at least enough doubt that she said anything or resisted in any way that it's doubtful that it would have stood up in an actual jury trial, had one occurred
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that Polanski drove her home alone afterwards. Given that she could have easily called her mother back to pick her up if she was really "afraid of him" as claimed in her grand jury testimony, why did she let this allegedly scary man drive her home alone? This casts serious doubt on her grand jury claim that she was "afraid of him."
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that Polanski stayed at her family's home for a little while after driving her home and showed her mother the pictures he had taken at their first photo session. Not at all the behavior of a predatory pedophile as he is being portrayed by a lot of people.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that the alleged victim did not call the police when she got home and had absolutely no intentions of doing so. Instead, she told her boyfriend about it, her older sister overheard that conversation and told their mother. And that's when the police were called by her mother. And the alleged victim still to this day wishes her mother had never called the police
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that Polanski has always said it was consensual and he blames the arrest and rape charge on the alleged victim's mother and has expressed nothing but sympathy for the alleged victim.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that the alleged victim bragged to Polanski about liking champagne, about having taken Quaaludes before, and about having already had sex in the car ride over for the photo session. They also talked about birth control pills in this same car ride too.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that everyone back then described the alleged victim as looking much older than her actual age, with most thinking she was around 18-years-old:
And the pictures from that time back up that she looked like she was at least 16-years-old or older. So given that she looked older, what if Polanski did not actually know she was 13-years-old? Besides not looking 13, she didn't act like she was "just 13" around him. And his question in the car about if she was on the pill seems odd if he thought she was 13, but not odd at all if he thought she was 16 or older. Aside from what he had to say as a part of his plea bargain, I have never seen anything where Polanski said he knew she was just 13-years-old.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that Polanski found the bottle of champagne in the fridge (and even asked the caretaker if it was OK to open it) and that he also found the Quaalude in the bathroom, so neither were brought along by him in some sort of "predatory trap" as claimed by some. (He even asked the alleged victim if the pill in the box that he found was a Quaalude. Why did he ask her? Because in the car, she had told him that she had taken them before so he already knew that she knew what they looked like.)
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that Polanski was completely surprised when the police arrested him. (That sounds like the behavior of someone who thinks he has not done anything wrong or illegal, not some "evil pedophile" worried about the police catching him one day.)
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that this was the first time Polanski was ever arrested for anything in his life.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... Polanski's guilty plea specifically was that he "had sexual intercourse with a female person not [his] wife, under the age of 18." And that's the only thing he has ever claimed happened.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that Polanski served 42 days in Chino prison for the above crime he plead guilt to, which is longer than most people typically serve in California for the exact same crime.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
I have a sneaky feeling that a few people in this thread might be speaking with this man very soon.-wink-
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
I don't think anyone is arguing that a crime was not commited under California law.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by eXcentris
(Post 9761137)
I don't think anyone is arguing that a crime was not commited under California law.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Deftones
(Post 9761147)
you must not have read dhmac's posts very closely.
Originally Posted by dhmac
I now think the gaps and inconsistencies in her grand jury testimony would've been taken apart if this had actually gone to trial and a jury would not have convicted Polanski beyond a reasonable doubt of any charge besides the one charge he plead guilty to.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
This is what is wrong with the legal system.
He CLEARLY raped a 13 y.o. girl. Yet the legal system and people are arguing SEMANTICS over what exactly happened and who did what. Everyone hides behind semantics. There are just way too many loopholes. I really hate the legal system. It is way too complex so that anyone can hide behind the details despite what actually happened. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
As the U.S. Supreme Court has declared the designation of Sodomy et. al to be unconstitutional as a criminal charge and California no longer recognises the existence of such - I am assuming it could be some sort of “double jeopardy” to retry Polanski on a charge of unspecified sexual imposition of a minor… as the crime of sodomy has no "heretofore" alleged existence in California... as in erased from Legal memory.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Andreassees
(Post 9761427)
As the U.S. Supreme Court has declared the designation of Sodomy et. al to be unconstitutional as a criminal charge and California no longer recognises the existence of such - I am assuming it could be some sort of “double jeopardy” to retry Polanski on a charge of unspecified sexual imposition of a minor… as the crime of sodomy has no "heretofore" alleged existence in California... as in erased from Legal memory.
Polanski was never TRIED in the first place (therefore, double jeapordy isn't in play), as he fled before the plea was entered/accepted! Nice try. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Andreassees
(Post 9761427)
As the U.S. Supreme Court has declared the designation of Sodomy et. al to be unconstitutional as a criminal charge and California no longer recognises the existence of such - I am assuming it could be some sort of “double jeopardy” to retry Polanski on a charge of unspecified sexual imposition of a minor… as the crime of sodomy has no "heretofore" alleged existence in California... as in erased from Legal memory.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
I haven't read any of this thread, but recently reread Polanski's book. I compared the two stories about what happened with the girl and Polanski and I think I probably would go with the girls story as being more honest. In the book Polanski gives his side of the story that he gave the girl some booze and briefly had sex with her. He also states the charges that he was accused of were getting the girl drunk, having anal sex and giving the girl a quaalude. He responds to this by saying the girl wasn't drunk (I can buy that). I got to think if he hadn't had anal sex with her or given her a quaalude he would have screamed that like bloody murder in his book, instead of just writing she wasn't drunk. His story about why he had quaaludes on him when he was arrested is insane. He said someone gave them to him earlier and he put them away and then later somebody else asked him if he had any quaaludes and he went and got them and that's when he was arrested. I wish people would stop defending him and simply point out that Polanski's trial was a bad joke (rent the documentary). Even a child molester deserves a fair trial with a sane judge that doesn't ask reporters advice on what kind of a sentence he should give to Polanski. The judge wanted to kick Polanski out of the country and Polanski left. Even the prosecutor said he didn't blame Polanski for leaving. I just feel sorry for the victim. The one constant in this case is nobody gives a damn about her. This includes the judge, Polanski, the lawyers, the press and the people who want to lynch Polanski. They have all ignored her pleas and ruined her life. She said what the media has done to her over the years was worse then what Polanski did to her and I believe her. She is the one person that nobody has listened to and nobody ever will.
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Did you know... that in her grand jury testimony the alleged victim admitted that "I can barely remember anything that happened." Did you know... that the medical exam done on her that very night found no indication whatsoever of anal intercourse having occurring. It also found no evidence of semen inside her body whatsoever. Polanski's claim that he "withdrew before climax" without performing anal intercourse matches this evidence, the alleged victim's claim that he "climaxed in her anus" does not match it at all. Did you know... that the medical exam also found no evidence of forced vaginal intercourse, which more closely matches Polanski's long-standing claim that it was consensual sex instead of the alleged victim's claim that sex was forced against her will. And perhaps her claims of repeating saying "No" found in the infamous grand jury testimony were all coached and not actually vocalized by her at the time. There's at least enough doubt that she said anything or resisted in any way that it's doubtful that it would have stood up in an actual jury trial, had one occurred. Did you know... that Polanski drove her home alone afterwards. Given that she could have easily called her mother back to pick her up if she was really "afraid of him" as claimed in her grand jury testimony, why did she let this allegedly scary man drive her home alone? This casts serious doubt on her grand jury claim that she was "afraid of him." Did you know... that Polanski stayed at her family's home for a little while after driving her home and showed her mother the pictures he had taken at their first photo session. Not at all the behavior of a predatory pedophile as he is being portrayed by a lot of people. Did you know... that the alleged victim did not call the police when she got home and had absolutely no intentions of doing so. Instead, she told her boyfriend about it, her older sister overheard that conversation and told their mother. And that's when the police were called by her mother. And the alleged victim still to this day wishes her mother had never called the police. Did you know... that Polanski has always said it was consensual and he blames the arrest and rape charge on the alleged victim's mother and has expressed nothing but sympathy for the alleged victim. Did you know... that the alleged victim bragged to Polanski about liking champagne, about having taken Quaaludes before, and about having already had sex in the car ride over for the photo session. They also talked about birth control pills in this same car ride too. Did you know... that everyone back then described the alleged victim as looking much older than her actual age, with most thinking she was around 18-years-old: And the pictures from that time back up that she looked like she was at least 16-years-old or older. So given that she looked older, what if Polanski did not actually know she was 13-years-old? Besides not looking 13, she didn't act like she was "just 13" around him. And his question in the car about if she was on the pill seems odd if he thought she was 13, but not odd at all if he thought she was 16 or older. Aside from what he had to say as a part of his plea bargain, I have never seen anything where Polanski said he knew she was just 13-years-old. Did you know... that Polanski found the bottle of champagne in the fridge (and even asked the caretaker if it was OK to open it) and that he also found the Quaalude in the bathroom, so neither were brought along by him in some sort of "predatory trap" as claimed by some. (He even asked the alleged victim if the pill in the box that he found was a Quaalude. Why did he ask her? Because in the car, she had told him that she had taken them before so he already knew that she knew what they looked like.) Did you know... that Polanski was completely surprised when the police arrested him. (That sounds like the behavior of someone who thinks he has not done anything wrong or illegal, not some "evil pedophile" worried about the police catching him one day.) Did you know... that this was the first time Polanski was ever arrested for anything in his life. |
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If Polanski is as innocent as his lawyers and supporters claim, then surely he has nothing to fear by going back to the United States and facing trial?
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9761008)
Here's some things I gleaned from reading both sides of this case... Did you know... that in her grand jury testimony the alleged victim admitted that "I can barely remember anything that happened." Did you know... that the medical exam done on her that very night found no indication whatsoever of anal intercourse having occurring. It also found no evidence of semen inside her body whatsoever. Polanski's claim that he "withdrew before climax" without performing anal intercourse matches this evidence, the alleged victim's claim that he "climaxed in her anus" does not match it at all. Did you know... that the medical exam also found no evidence of forced vaginal intercourse, which more closely matches Polanski's long-standing claim that it was consensual sex instead of the alleged victim's claim that sex was forced against her will. And perhaps her claims of repeating saying "No" found in the infamous grand jury testimony were all coached and not actually vocalized by her at the time. There's at least enough doubt that she said anything or resisted in any way that it's doubtful that it would have stood up in an actual jury trial, had one occurred. Did you know... that Polanski drove her home alone afterwards. Given that she could have easily called her mother back to pick her up if she was really "afraid of him" as claimed in her grand jury testimony, why did she let this allegedly scary man drive her home alone? This casts serious doubt on her grand jury claim that she was "afraid of him." Did you know... that Polanski stayed at her family's home for a little while after driving her home and showed her mother the pictures he had taken at their first photo session. Not at all the behavior of a predatory pedophile as he is being portrayed by a lot of people. Did you know... that the alleged victim did not call the police when she got home and had absolutely no intentions of doing so. Instead, she told her boyfriend about it, her older sister overheard that conversation and told their mother. And that's when the police were called by her mother. And the alleged victim still to this day wishes her mother had never called the police. Did you know... that Polanski has always said it was consensual and he blames the arrest and rape charge on the alleged victim's mother and has expressed nothing but sympathy for the alleged victim. Did you know... that the alleged victim bragged to Polanski about liking champagne, about having taken Quaaludes before, and about having already had sex in the car ride over for the photo session. They also talked about birth control pills in this same car ride too. Did you know... that everyone back then described the alleged victim as looking much older than her actual age, with most thinking she was around 18-years-old: And the pictures from that time back up that she looked like she was at least 16-years-old or older. So given that she looked older, what if Polanski did not actually know she was 13-years-old? Besides not looking 13, she didn't act like she was "just 13" around him. And his question in the car about if she was on the pill seems odd if he thought she was 13, but not odd at all if he thought she was 16 or older. Aside from what he had to say as a part of his plea bargain, I have never seen anything where Polanski said he knew she was just 13-years-old. Did you know... that Polanski found the bottle of champagne in the fridge (and even asked the caretaker if it was OK to open it) and that he also found the Quaalude in the bathroom, so neither were brought along by him in some sort of "predatory trap" as claimed by some. (He even asked the alleged victim if the pill in the box that he found was a Quaalude. Why did he ask her? Because in the car, she had told him that she had taken them before so he already knew that she knew what they looked like.) Did you know... that Polanski was completely surprised when the police arrested him. (That sounds like the behavior of someone who thinks he has not done anything wrong or illegal, not some "evil pedophile" worried about the police catching him one day.) Did you know... that this was the first time Polanski was ever arrested for anything in his life. Did you know... Polanski's guilty plea specifically was that he "had sexual intercourse with a female person not [his] wife, under the age of 18." And that's the only thing he has ever claimed happened. Did you know... that Polanski served 42 days in Chino prison for the above crime he plead guilt to, which is longer than most people typically serve in California for the exact same crime. Did you know.... It does not matter that he didn't climax in her anus, that it does not matter that she gang banged 50 other guys..That she let him take him home..that this was the first crime he was ever charged with...That he was surprised that he was arrested...That she didn't look 13 (Come on are you really using this stupid fucking arguement?)...That she bragged about drinking booze and popping pills (Another idiotic arguement? Are you really going to use...well that girl was dressed slutty..so she deserved to get raped..arguement?) None of that freaking matters. he still raped the girl (and yes statutory rape is still rape). |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by tanman
(Post 9761320)
This is what is wrong with the legal system.
He CLEARLY raped a 13 y.o. girl. Yet the legal system and people are arguing SEMANTICS over what exactly happened and who did what. Everyone hides behind semantics. There are just way too many loopholes. I really hate the legal system. It is way too complex so that anyone can hide behind the details despite what actually happened. |
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Polanski being surprised at his arrest has really been brought up as a defense?
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Re: Roman Polanski arrested
I think it's funny how right-wingers and left-leaning feminists are united in not caring about due process and wanting to throw Polanski in prison for a long time. That's a really odd pairing for anything.
It's also funny how the people who want to lock him up seem to claim that his view can't be trusted, her view is the only version that can be trusted so just believe what she said. But bring up that in her view the punishment he's received already was excessive and she thinks that he should be freed, and they then switch to claiming you can't listen to what she says! |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by starman9000
(Post 9761939)
Polanski being surprised at his arrest has really been brought up as a defense?
And did you know that the psychiatric exams he went under by 3 different psychiatrists all concluded that he wasn't a pedophile or dangerous and recommended probation. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9762130)
I think it's funny how right-wingers and left-leaning feminists are united in not caring about due process and wanting to throw Polanski in prison for a long time. That's a really odd pairing for anything.
It's also funny how the people who want to lock him up seem to claim that his view can't be trusted, her view is the only version that can be trusted so just believe what she said. But bring up that in her view the punishment he's received already was excessive and she thinks that he should be freed, and they then switch to claiming you can't listen to what she says! End of argument.
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9762146)
And did you know that the psychiatric exams he went under by 3 different psychiatrists all concluded that he wasn't a pedophile or dangerous and recommended probation.
DO YOU REALIZE HE IS AN ADMITTED CHILD-RAPIST??? I can't understand why you cannot comprehend this. He is a child-rapist and needs to go thru the judicial process immediately, which should result in him spending the rest of his life in prison. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dhmac
(Post 9762130)
I think it's funny how right-wingers and left-leaning feminists are united in not caring about due process and wanting to throw Polanski in prison for a long time. That's a really odd pairing for anything.
It's also funny how the people who want to lock him up seem to claim that his view can't be trusted, her view is the only version that can be trusted so just believe what she said. But bring up that in her view the punishment he's received already was excessive and she thinks that he should be freed, and they then switch to claiming you can't listen to what she says! |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by superdeluxe
(Post 9761850)
Did you know.... It does not matter that he didn't climax in her anus
Parkwood Hospital medical exam: "…Patient had had two prior sexual experiences. The last one two weeks ago. States that oral sex was performed on her followed by vaginal penetration and then her male assailant penetrated her rectally and climaxed in her rectum… No blood on clothing, panties, or perineum… full speculum examination done with ease, examined her without problems – adult female… Anal examination: There are no peri anal hematoma lacerations or blood… no traumatic acute fissures seen… no sphincter tear… no evidence of force entry and the examination was normal. Vaginal and anal slides were taken which, according to the Los Angeles Police Department criminalist were negative, were tested negative for semen. The girls’ panties were chemically analyzed and were positive for acid phosphatase and, as criminalist subsequently testified, test strongly indicates semen." |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by dan30oly
(Post 9762155)
ugh. Not more of this "did you know" garbage please! DO YOU REALIZE HE IS AN ADMITTED CHILD-RAPIST??? I can't understand why you cannot comprehend this. . Problem is, he is wrong. Statutory Rape is Still Rape. |
Re: Roman Polanski arrested
Originally Posted by Carcaridon
(Post 9762156)
He admitted to having sex with a 13 year old girl. End of story.
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