Movies you wish were never made?
04-07-09, 07:08 AM
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04-07-09, 07:20 AM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
Don't get me wrong: I like Alien 3 as well...but I wasn't a die-hand fan of the franchise at the time, and thusly hadn't become as attached to the central characters.
04-07-09, 12:20 PM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
None, it is not my place to "wish" movies were not made. Too many ramifications that can result from it. Someone makes a turd but that person gets noticed goes on to make my favorite movie etc...all kinds of scenarios that you can make up with actors/directors etc. from that.
If they are that bad I just don't try and watch them.
If they are that bad I just don't try and watch them.
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04-07-09, 12:44 PM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
Highlander 2
Any Superman movie after Superman II. While I enjoyed Returns, it almost spelled the death of the franchise again. And I'm not sure anyone can defend Superman III or IV.
Any Superman movie after Superman II. While I enjoyed Returns, it almost spelled the death of the franchise again. And I'm not sure anyone can defend Superman III or IV.
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04-07-09, 01:49 PM
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The first two Star Wars movies (1977, 1980). Because if they had never been made, then we never would have gotten RETURN OF THE JEDI, PHANTOM MUCOUS, ATTACK OF THE CLOWNS and REVENGE OF THE SHIT. These last three were so bad that they completely erase anything that may have been good about the first two, so that now the first two are just as bad.
Also, the first two Star Wars films, along with JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster, which has, to my mind, completely retarded the development of cinema as an art form and turned it into nothing more than an amusement park ride. ("Ooh, don't tell me about it, I wanna be surprised!")
Also, the first two Star Wars films, along with JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster, which has, to my mind, completely retarded the development of cinema as an art form and turned it into nothing more than an amusement park ride. ("Ooh, don't tell me about it, I wanna be surprised!")
04-07-09, 02:46 PM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
Jaws
Star Wars
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Matrix
Alien
Titanic
...so that I could write and/or direct them, thus becoming rich, famous, and a winner of shiny trophies.
Star Wars
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Matrix
Alien
Titanic
...so that I could write and/or direct them, thus becoming rich, famous, and a winner of shiny trophies.
04-07-09, 02:49 PM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
"Scary Movie"...this might have been the best of the bunch and mildly amusing, but without it's success we would likely not have any of the
"fill in the blank Movie" and that would be fine with me.
"fill in the blank Movie" and that would be fine with me.
04-07-09, 02:52 PM
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There's lost of films I wish hadn't been made - not because they were expressly terrible, just disappointing. Even the bad films can serve as warnings and teaching examples for the future. However - mediocre films, especially adaptations and sequels, are more damaging because the uninformed viewer can be easily swayed by marketing/lack of alternatives/immaturity into thinking those films are good, which taints the benchmark for what makes a good film good.
So, if movies like I Am Legend, Indiana Jones 4, Crash, The Da Vinci Code The Fast and the Furious, and so on had never existed, I'd be fine. Most bad films can simply be dismissed and ignored. Movies like these, however, fool people and get them all confused over what makes a film good. Such people will ardently fight for the quality of The Phantom Menace with no concept of knowing how utterly stupid and foolish it will make him/her seem ten years on. In the meantime, new filmmakers are taught that these films, with their millions of dollars in sales, are the models to emulate.
Of course, if they had never existed, how would I have known them to know that they would be so banal and uninteresting? Movies like these exist so that enlightened people know not to repeat those sad mistakes again.
So, if movies like I Am Legend, Indiana Jones 4, Crash, The Da Vinci Code The Fast and the Furious, and so on had never existed, I'd be fine. Most bad films can simply be dismissed and ignored. Movies like these, however, fool people and get them all confused over what makes a film good. Such people will ardently fight for the quality of The Phantom Menace with no concept of knowing how utterly stupid and foolish it will make him/her seem ten years on. In the meantime, new filmmakers are taught that these films, with their millions of dollars in sales, are the models to emulate.
Of course, if they had never existed, how would I have known them to know that they would be so banal and uninteresting? Movies like these exist so that enlightened people know not to repeat those sad mistakes again.
04-07-09, 03:03 PM
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The first two Star Wars movies (1977, 1980). Because if they had never been made, then we never would have gotten RETURN OF THE JEDI, PHANTOM MUCOUS, ATTACK OF THE CLOWNS and REVENGE OF THE SHIT. These last three were so bad that they completely erase anything that may have been good about the first two, so that now the first two are just as bad.
Also, the first two Star Wars films, along with JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster, which has, to my mind, completely retarded the development of cinema as an art form and turned it into nothing more than an amusement park ride. ("Ooh, don't tell me about it, I wanna be surprised!")
Also, the first two Star Wars films, along with JAWS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, ushered in the era of the summer blockbuster, which has, to my mind, completely retarded the development of cinema as an art form and turned it into nothing more than an amusement park ride. ("Ooh, don't tell me about it, I wanna be surprised!")
04-07-09, 03:50 PM
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04-07-09, 03:53 PM
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Jurassic Park. Now before everyone jumps on me, I love the movie, but this ushered in the era of CGI-Summer bullshit that has pervaded 99% of the summer movies for the past 15 years, where they have lost focus on good characters and good story.
Now for every 'The Dark Knight' there are 15 bad summer movies that rely solely on CGI and action to wow the audience and the characters and story take a back seat. To sum it up, Jurassic Park opened the door to endless possibilites to these directors with the advent of CGI in their movies, and I believe the summer blockbuster has gone downhilll ever since. Where have you gone Jaws? Star Wars? Back to the Future?
Now for every 'The Dark Knight' there are 15 bad summer movies that rely solely on CGI and action to wow the audience and the characters and story take a back seat. To sum it up, Jurassic Park opened the door to endless possibilites to these directors with the advent of CGI in their movies, and I believe the summer blockbuster has gone downhilll ever since. Where have you gone Jaws? Star Wars? Back to the Future?
04-07-09, 06:31 PM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
I'd like to add
"Austin Powers: The Spy who Shagged Me" to my list.
Which would have saved us from "Goldmember" and "The Love Guru".
"Austin Powers: The Spy who Shagged Me" to my list.
Which would have saved us from "Goldmember" and "The Love Guru".
04-07-09, 07:35 PM
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Fast Times at Ridgemont High
Summerspell
Bad Boys
Crackers
Racing with the Moon
The Falcon and the Snowman
At Close Range
Shangai Surprise
Cool Blue
Colors
Judgment in Berlin
Casualties of War
We're No Angels
State of Grace
Cruise Control
Carlito's Way
Dead Man Walking
Loved
She's So Lovely
U Turn
The Game
Hugo Pool
Hurlyburly
The Thin Red Line
Sweet and Lowdown
Up at the Villa
Before Night Falls
The Weight of Water
The Beaver Trilogy
I am Sam
It's All About Love
Mystic River
21 Grams
The Assassination of Richard Nixon
The Interpreter
All the King's Men
Persepolis
Milk
Summerspell
Bad Boys
Crackers
Racing with the Moon
The Falcon and the Snowman
At Close Range
Shangai Surprise
Cool Blue
Colors
Judgment in Berlin
Casualties of War
We're No Angels
State of Grace
Cruise Control
Carlito's Way
Dead Man Walking
Loved
She's So Lovely
U Turn
The Game
Hugo Pool
Hurlyburly
The Thin Red Line
Sweet and Lowdown
Up at the Villa
Before Night Falls
The Weight of Water
The Beaver Trilogy
I am Sam
It's All About Love
Mystic River
21 Grams
The Assassination of Richard Nixon
The Interpreter
All the King's Men
Persepolis
Milk
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04-07-09, 07:44 PM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
Is that you, Bill O'Reilly?
04-07-09, 08:27 PM
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Wow ..some interesting choices. As sequels the Matrix films definitely did not live up to the concept or delivery of the original but as stand-alone films they were extremely fun and entertaining popcorn summer blockbusters, imho.
Even though I've sold my soul over this argument already (in that I try not to care) - I would add "remake" into the mix, specifically Hollywood remakes of certain east Asian films ..or any talk about the possibility (Park Chan-wook's vengeance trilogy for example).
My Sassy Girl (fail)
Il Mare (fail)
Tale of Two Sisters (fail)
Yojimbo (I'm referring only to Last Man Standing - it's fun as hell but it's a terribly silly movie)
Not really as if these films had any long standing legacy within the states or outside their own demographic aside from we wackos that eat the stuff up and assign a grade, but these are all excellent films in their own right and should have been left completely alone. Leave the masses to their own putrid choices ...
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Even though I've sold my soul over this argument already (in that I try not to care) - I would add "remake" into the mix, specifically Hollywood remakes of certain east Asian films ..or any talk about the possibility (Park Chan-wook's vengeance trilogy for example).
My Sassy Girl (fail)
Il Mare (fail)
Tale of Two Sisters (fail)
Yojimbo (I'm referring only to Last Man Standing - it's fun as hell but it's a terribly silly movie)
Not really as if these films had any long standing legacy within the states or outside their own demographic aside from we wackos that eat the stuff up and assign a grade, but these are all excellent films in their own right and should have been left completely alone. Leave the masses to their own putrid choices ...
edit - title correction
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04-07-09, 10:10 PM
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Actually it was Yojimbo that it was a remake of. The Magnificent Seven was the remake of Seven Samurai, I still have not seen it...it's on that long ass list of films that I'll eventually see.
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04-08-09, 01:28 AM
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Re: Movies you wish were never made?
Da Vinci code. Enjoyed the book and the other books by Dan Brown but the movie was so boring and crappy and stupid it makes me much less likely to read anything else he writes (if he ever actually finishes another book).
04-08-09, 03:13 AM
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Yet you like Alien 3? Even though the characters aren't exactly "present" at the time of death, that's one of the worst offenders.
Don't get me wrong: I like Alien 3 as well...but I wasn't a die-hand fan of the franchise at the time, and thusly hadn't become as attached to the central characters.
Don't get me wrong: I like Alien 3 as well...but I wasn't a die-hand fan of the franchise at the time, and thusly hadn't become as attached to the central characters.
And it is my attachment to Ripley that makes the workprint version of Alien³ great. The scene she has just quietly sitting and talking with Charles Dance is the oft-ignored heart of the film.
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04-08-09, 04:11 AM
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One of the (many) problems with "Alien 3" is that Charles Dance isn't in it till the end.
He really needed to be there in the third act as his character is interesting. Instead we got inmates that weren't overly memorable (aside from Charles Dutton).
He really needed to be there in the third act as his character is interesting. Instead we got inmates that weren't overly memorable (aside from Charles Dutton).
04-08-09, 05:26 AM
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Yeah, the inmates are fairly interchangeable, although it's easy to recognize Pete Postlethwaite. I don't know that I would necessarily have said that more Charles Dance would have improved the movie, but, hey, I'll take any criticism that isn't "it's not Aliens 2."