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Interesting :up:

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I actually thought this during TDK when he's speeding thru the city as Bruce to save Reese. It looked like the Lambo could be modded to be the next Batmobile. Kind of a Tumbler-Lambo hybrid.

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Funny you guys that bring that. The Lambo I believe is a Murcielago....which is bat in spanish. Even has those flap things on the side too.

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This is the way I see it. Honestly, despite how Nolan tried to ground the series in the real world, it's still a comic book movie. I can still believe Two Face can walk around with a scarred face without crying that he would have died of an infection.

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How's that working for Wayne's public life? If I was a bad guy going for Wayne would be my mission. Seems like a bad route to me unless it's well handled...

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You're missing my whole point. It's only when somebody like Nolan expects to ground something fundamentally unrealistic that the audience starts asking these questions. If you'd actually read my previous comments you'd see that I acknowledged that setting the character in an unrealistic setting provides the necessary suspension of disbelief required to believe the character. By trying to make Batman realistic Nolan has actually underlined how unrealistic the character actually is.

No it would be like if someone made a Superman movie that spent the first hour attempting to explain Kryptonian genetics, biology, etc. in a way that was scientifically plausible (which, like Nolan's approach to Batman, would be absurd) and then expected you to believe that people didn't recognize Clark/Superman in that same "realistic" setting.

To force "this is Batman in the real world!" down your audience's throats only to throw your hands up in the air and say "it's a comic book movie!" when things don't work is a copout, pure and simple.

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Fine. It's an action movie, then. Happy? I don't think Nolan's ever said his goal was to make Batman 100% realistic down to the last detail. Every movie requires a suspension of disbelief, so why not Nolan's Batman films? Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

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The Superman thing.... Say your grocery store clerk vaguely resembles Tom Cruise and wears glasses or whatever random thing to change his appearance slightly. Are you going to assume that this guy working a job like that is actually Tom Cruise? That is assuming that you even look/care enough to notice that they look similar.

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In all fairness, these quotes are more commonly said by fans and not Nolan himself.

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Did Nolan ever say that? I know for sure I've said this a "realistic Batman" realistic...w/ the understanding of disbelief.

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I don't think "Batman in the real world" was really shoved down the audience throats just because he gave plausible explanations for how he does what he does. There's plenty of stuff in both movies that are still a stretch for the real world, and to be honest I would say most of the audience generally understands that at the end of the day, it's still Batman, a comic book character.

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I've never got the impression Nolan's goal was absolute "this is happening" realism. Sure the tone is serious, some comic aspects downplayed, and shooting is largely on locations...but it's still Batman, still a movie. Honestly never gave a second thought to the tumbler or any of these extraneous scenarios, I was too busy enjoying the films.

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If that grocery clerk had a propensity to jump on couches or wanted me to take some special tests, I might think so.

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The John Byrne era must have been hell for you. :(

In the comics, Lex Luthor once had a crack team of analysts try to assertain where Superman might be hiding when he's not flying around and saving the day. They all came to the conclusion that Superman was none other than Clark Kent. They based their reasoning on when both men arrived in Metropolis, Clark's age, and his physical traits (among other factors).

Luthor fired the entire team because he refused to believe that Superman would masquerade as a mere mortal.

Likewise, who would believe a drunken douchebag like Bruce Wayne, who's constantly partying (or so the public believes) and burned down his own mansion during a bender would actually be a badass vigilante like Batman?

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Yeah but the Superman thing was always...everyone else is stupid cuz it's just teh freaking glasses to hide behind.

Wayne has a Mask and douche personality to hide behind. Kent...has....glasses and a goofy personality (which I'm glad they stopped doing that in what was the norm)

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During the Byrne era they began addressing exactly how Clark created his deception. The things that remained are that he speaks in a tenor as Clark and a baritone as Superman. His posture and mannerisms are more commanding as Superman and he's more reserved and slouches a bit as Clark. He maintains himself as a public figure as Clark (Pulizer Prize winning reporter, award winning author, and former editor-in-chief of both The Daily Planet and Newstime) which would make him a rather unlikely candidate for Superman's alterego, as one would assume he'd try to remain anonymous. The glasses make his eyes look grey. And they explain away Clark's physique by the weight set he'd keep in his apartment.

Of course things that were ditched from that era were that he would vibrate whenever a picture was taken (in order to appear out of focus) and the whole hypnosis ability.

So it hasn't been just the glasses and a goofy persona for quite some time.

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To quote myself from another thread: I've never understood the "hyper-realistic" assessment of Nolan's Batman movies. Yes, they're more grounded in reality and less visually-stylized than past Batman film incarnations, but they still require a massive amount of suspension of disbelief and have straight comic book politics, scenarios, and action. They're as grounded in reality as say, a James Bond movie. There's nothing supernatural or abstract going on, but it's obviously a sense of reality significantly heightened from "the real world."

Your assessment of what you think Nolan was trying to do is, to put it simply, off base.

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watching Get Smart on TBS, and I have changed my mind about Anne Hathaway.

Yes please!

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I agree with you. Nothing the Joker did in TDK was realistic. No one could actually do the shit he did. Set an entire hospital to explode with no one noticing? I don't think so. It's still set in a world where people can do things they could never do in real life.

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I would assume that Clark Kent/Superman is just hiding in plain sight. Would the average person think that Superman has a civilian identity and a day job? Granted that's a trope of superhero fiction, but if Superman did indeed exist, I wouldn't necessarily think that he had some kind of job somewhere.

Though I can imagine a lot of conspiracy websites springing up claiming "Is _____ ________ really Superman?" with Clark Kent being one of the leading suspects.

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but did he really have time to go get it even if he had had one?
I don't think much time went by between the destruction of the tumbler and the end of the movie

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Between Dent getting burned and in the hospital through to the end of the movie was a few days... I think.

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[sarcasm]Surprise![/sarcasm]

http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/jose...-knight-rises/

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So is he a villain or a superhero? I would think superhero because of Bane and what the means for Batman.

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....Batman? He's a superhero...I thought everyone knew that...Bane's a baddie....