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The Cow 04-06-11 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 10713024)

That city picture looks like it's trying to give us the finger.

(can't see the hotlink here, BTW)

Hokeyboy 04-06-11 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt (Post 10712991)
It is a nice photo but any city can have a photo like that.

Yes, and my point being you can shoot almost any commercial/industrial riverfront city and make it look reasonably close to the Gotham City they established in the first two flicks... especially with any needed CGI enhancement.

fumanstan 04-06-11 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMovieman (Post 10713039)
Had to copy the URL in since the photo doesn't show up...

I believe they considered Detroit but obviously chose Pittsburgh. Not sure what the big deal about this is... They've kind of lost cohesion between BB and TDK anyway so as long as it's close to TDK, I don't really care.

Yup, doesn't really matter since BB and TDK already look completely different.

JTH182 04-06-11 07:58 PM

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It will be interesting to see how they do the establishing shots with such a small skyline -ptth-

I hope it at least resembles Chicago at street level. I really think this is going to be jarring though. Just as much as going from Katie Holmes to Maggie G.

NiCK Crush 04-06-11 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JTH182 (Post 10713709)
It will be interesting to see how they do the establishing shots with such a small skyline -ptth-

I hope it at least resembles Chicago at street level. I really think this is going to be jarring though. Just as much as going from Katie Holmes to Maggie G.

It will be fine, JTH182 from Chicago.

DaveyJoe 04-06-11 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JTH182 (Post 10713709)
It will be interesting to see how they do the establishing shots with such a small skyline -ptth-

I hope it at least resembles Chicago at street level. I really think this is going to be jarring though. Just as much as going from Katie Holmes to Maggie G.

It's not supposed to resemble Chicago, it's supposed to represent Gotham. The city shots in BB and TDK were very different because they were supposed to represent different parts of the city. This is the same deal, Nolan wants the city shots in each film to look different, that's a good thing. Besides, the most impressive establishing shot in The Dark Knight was not in Chicago, but Hong Kong.

JTH182 04-06-11 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 10713803)
It's not supposed to resemble Chicago, it's supposed to represent Gotham. The city shots in BB and TDK were very different because they were supposed to represent different parts of the city. This is the same deal, Nolan wants the city shots in each film to look different, that's a good thing. Besides, the most impressive establishing shot in The Dark Knight was not in Chicago, but Hong Kong.

I'm not saying it's supposed to resemble Chicago, I'm saying it's supposed to resemble Gotham which WAS Chicago... I'm hoping Pittsburgh can pull it off, but I'm not so sure. Maybe I will notice it more so than other people since I am from Chicago. The general movie going public won't really care.

Solid Snake 04-07-11 01:19 AM

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What was Chicago's reaction from this?

benedict 04-07-11 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JTH182 (Post 10714073)
I'm not saying it's supposed to resemble Chicago, I'm saying it's supposed to resemble Gotham which WAS Chicago [...]

My understanding has always been that "Gotham" was an old nickname for NYC and that the template for DC's Gotham City was New York City. But I accept that I may have misunderstood either that bit of history or the point you were making.

Michael Corvin 04-07-11 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by benedict (Post 10714232)
My understanding has always been that "Gotham" was an old nickname for NYC and that the template for DC's Gotham City was New York City. But I accept that I may have misunderstood either that bit of history or the point you were making.

I believe Metropolis is the DC version of New York, while Chicago stood in for Gotham.

FantasticVSDoom 04-07-11 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10714277)
I believe Metropolis is the DC version of New York, while Chicago stood in for Gotham.

Thats what I always thought as well...

stingermck 04-07-11 08:16 AM

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to Wiki!


Origin of name

Writer Bill Finger on the naming of the city and reasoning for changing Batman's locale from Manhattan to a fictional city: "Originally I was going to call Gotham City 'Civic City'. Then I tried 'Capital City', then 'Coast City'. Then I flipped through the phone book and spotted the name 'Gotham Jewelers' and said, 'That's it', Gotham City. We didn't call it New York because we didn't want anybody in any city to identify with it."[1] "Gotham" had long been a well-known nickname for New York City even prior to Batman's 1939 introduction,[2] which explains why "Gotham Jewelers" and many other businesses in New York City have the word "Gotham" in them. The name Gotham was first popularized as a nickname for New York City in the nineteenth century periodical Salmagundi.

"Gotham" has been a nickname for New York City originating in 1807 by Washington Irving in his Salmagundi Papers. Salmagundi lampooned New York culture and politics in a manner much like today's Mad magazine. It was in the November 11, 1807 issue that Irving first attached the name "Gotham" to New York City.[5]

Gotham City's geography, like other fictional cities' geographies in the DC Universe, has varied over the decades, because of changing writers, editors and storylines. The majority of appearances place Gotham on the Northeastern coast of the United States, where New York City is located. However, the Atlas of the DC Universe states that Gotham is located in New Jersey, across the Delaware Bay from Metropolis.
I remember reading somewhere that NYC was between Metropolis and Gotham.

ScissorPuppy 04-07-11 08:19 AM

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Yeah I think the current comic book canon has Metropolis where New York is and Gotham located somewhere in New Jersey. Regardless, New York served as design inspirations for both cities.

cactusoly 04-07-11 08:21 AM

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I read somewhere that Metropolis is meant to represent NYC during the day while Gotham represents NYC at night. (both fictional cities however)

majorjoe23 04-07-11 08:24 AM

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I've heard that Metropolis was Toronto and Gotham NY. I've also heard both were different aspects of NY. I'm sure it all comes down to the whims of the writer/artist.

Groucho 04-07-11 08:40 AM

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LOL @ Chicago rage. Not everybody can be bought with bootlegger money!

Hokeyboy 04-07-11 10:39 AM

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It's pretty simple.

Metropolis = New York during the day
Gotham City = New York at night

Also:
Coast City = San Diego
Star City = Chicago
Central City/Keystone City = St. Louis
Fawcett City = Oconomowoc, WI

RocShemp 04-07-11 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10714554)
It's pretty simple.

Metropolis = New York during the day
Gotham City = New York at night

Also:
Coast City = San Diego
Star City = Chicago
Central City/Keystone City = St. Louis
Fawcett City = Oconomowow, WI

What about Bludhaven?

Hokeyboy 04-07-11 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 10714714)
What about Bludhaven?

Wasn't it supposed to be like "several miles down the bay/river" from Gotham? A good analog would be Newark, but I'm not gonna split hairs here...

RocShemp 04-07-11 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10714750)
Wasn't it supposed to be like "several miles down the bay/river" from Gotham? A good analog would be Newark, but I'm not gonna split hairs here...

I believe that was the vague distance established in the comics. Newark it is. :up:

majorjoe23 04-07-11 04:16 PM

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I thought Star City was Seattle. I've got my tour map of the DCU all screwed up!

foofighters7 04-07-11 05:29 PM

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and Nerdsville I'm guessing is located somewhere very close to all of you.... freakin' nerds.:lol:

Josh-da-man 04-07-11 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy (Post 10714554)
It's pretty simple.

Metropolis = New York during the day
Gotham City = New York at night

I sort of remember reading that Gotham and Metropolis were both New York City, divided along some real demarcation... 42nd street, I think.

I think I've also heard that Metropolis was modeled on Baltimore.

story 04-07-11 11:32 PM

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Since people are going back and forth about where this film should be or shouldn't be shot, I don't think it will be a thread crap when I say:

I don't care.

JTH182 04-08-11 02:34 AM

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Sorry, when I said Gotham was Chicago, I strictly meant in BB & TDK.

Gotham has always been a nickname for NY though.


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