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Old 08-07-10 | 05:27 PM
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The screenplay is irrelevant to how it played out on film.
Why? It was the exact same scene.

I know it's quite possible they could bring Harvey Dent back but the intention was for him to be dead.
Old 08-07-10 | 05:55 PM
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Nolan doesn't strike me as the type to resurrect a character simply because another (Joker) isn't available.

As usual, I'm certain all of our rampant speculation will be off-base compared to what he actually plans to do.
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
Yes to the first but no to the second.
Yeah..Hendricks can sure as hell be a Dr. Ivy, but no Jolie for Kyle. She'd have to gain weight to fill out a bit. No offence to Jolie, I think she's pretty and respect that she likes doing action films here and there..loved her in Wanted but....she don't exactly have look for Kyle. Randomly speaking...Coitillard looks a lot more like Kyle than Jolie does. Her only issue. Is that...well...I need to see her get past her accent. BUT if you just make her french well than that's fine as long as it's faithful to the rest of the character. She looked fucking gorgeous in Inception.

Also....No Dent. His tale is done.
Old 08-07-10 | 06:30 PM
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Yeah..Hendricks can sure as hell be a Dr. Ivy, but no Jolie for Kyle. She'd have to gain weight to fill out a bit. No offence to Jolie, I think she's pretty and respect that she likes doing action films here and there..loved her in Wanted but....she don't exactly have look for Kyle. Randomly speaking...Coitillard looks a lot more like Kyle than Jolie does. Her only issue. Is that...well...I need to see her get past her accent. BUT if you just make her french well than that's fine as long as it's faithful to the rest of the character. She looked fucking gorgeous in Inception.

Also....No Dent. His tale is done.
Cotillard, that could definitely work. I just couldn't really think of anyone off the top of my head. Glad to see I have support for Hendricks as Ivy. Only problem is that character wouldn't really fit with the realistic type universe Nolan has created, but then again, arguments could be made that Two-Face didn't really fit either given his level of deformity.

Now, if you want to go for total stunt casting that would have been done back in the days of Schumacher and Nolan would never try, get Lady GaGa as Harley Quinn to fill whatever was meant to be done by the Joker.

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Old 08-07-10 | 06:41 PM
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You don't have to make her literally POISON IVY...you can have her as person in Gotham City and also a doctor in her field. A nice little nod but also getting the character in there as respectfully as you can. I wouldn't want Ivy in there as a villain but if she was who she was BEFORE she went Supervillain..well...I'd be game.

Again..Coitillard would be a physically correct Catwoman. And if need be, you can say she's French. If not...I'd like to see her pull off that role without her accent.
Old 08-07-10 | 06:51 PM
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Why? It was the exact same scene.

I know it's quite possible they could bring Harvey Dent back but the intention was for him to be dead.
Not really, I recall the script specifically saying that Dent breaks his neck and dies or something, but as has already been said, it's more ambiguous in the actual movie.
Old 08-07-10 | 07:10 PM
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Bringing back Dent could work but I'm not sure how I feel about it. I feel that his story was completed with TDK.

I don't want Ivy or Catwoman in on the next flick. I don't think that they would work. I think they should just go from scratch with the next with a new villain and all. There is enough stuff to be covered in the next film that we don't need another huge villain from the rogue’s gallery. In my opinion, the ones that could be done properly have been done.

Then again, whatever Nolan chooses to do I'll go with because I have complete faith in him.

I just really hope we get Levitt in the flick.
Old 08-07-10 | 07:37 PM
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I could see Ivy working as a doctor who believes humans are destroying the earth and develops several plant-based toxins to kill the worst offenders. She obviously would not work if she's controlling plants and whatnot.
Old 08-07-10 | 07:43 PM
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I could see Ivy working as a doctor who believes humans are destroying the earth and develops several plant-based toxins to kill the worst offenders. She obviously would not work if she's controlling plants and whatnot.
That sounds awfully like the plot of The Happening.
Old 08-07-10 | 07:49 PM
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I would like to see a serious take on what Schumacher had tried with Nygma being a competing legitimate billionaire while also being a mob boss. Doesn't have to be the Riddler, in fact, I'd prefer a Penguin character who is just called that as a nickname. And as much as I don't like Nolan's "My universe is separate from DC, it's all realistic" I would like to see something realistically involving fraud and corruption, a Robin-Hood storyline.
Old 08-07-10 | 07:53 PM
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I would like to see a serious take on what Schumacher had tried with Nygma being a competing legitimate billionaire while also being a mob boss. Doesn't have to be the Riddler, in fact, I'd prefer a Penguin character who is just called that as a nickname. And as much as I don't like Nolan's "My universe is separate from DC, it's all realistic" I would like to see something realistically involving fraud and corruption, a Robin-Hood storyline.
Could be Black Mask in that case. Sort of the opposite of Bruce Wayne IIRC since both were born from wealth but each of their parents were 180 degrees opposite of each other, meaning Sionis' parents were self-centered and only cared about their social status while the Waynes wanted to selflessly change Gotham. Here's something interesting that could be integrated as a foe for Bruce (from wikipedia):

At that time, now successful mogul Bruce Wayne offered to bail out the company on the condition that Sionis give up control and allow Wayne to appoint his own Board of Directors. Sionis agreed, but was furious at the humiliation he had suffered. He went to the family mausoleum and broke his father's ebony coffin lid. From a piece of this, Sionis carved a mask, becoming "Black Mask".
Here's the entire article on Black Mask:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mask_%28comics%29
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Originally Posted by Goat3001
That sounds awfully like the plot of The Happening.
Sorry, I didn't mean the toxin would emanate from living plants, but rather that she would derive the toxin from naturally occurring compounds.
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Only problem is that character wouldn't really fit with the realistic type universe Nolan has created, but then again, arguments could be made that Two-Face didn't really fit either given his level of deformity.
The microwave emitter that evaporates water in sewage pipes that are deep underground but leaves above ground humans unharmed didn't fit with the realistic universe.
Old 08-07-10 | 11:47 PM
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I wouldn't be against Nolan bringing back Dent since his arc seemed to come to a close so quickly. More importantly, I just hope JGL gets a sizable role, preferably as a villain.
Old 08-08-10 | 12:17 AM
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Again..Coitillard would be a physically correct Catwoman.
How exactly is one "physically correct" for a fictional character?
Old 08-08-10 | 12:31 AM
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She has the look for it. Jolie..does not.
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Could be Black Mask in that case. Sort of the opposite of Bruce Wayne IIRC since both were born from wealth but each of their parents were 180 degrees opposite of each other, meaning Sionis' parents were self-centered and only cared about their social status while the Waynes wanted to selflessly change Gotham. Here's something interesting that could be integrated as a foe for Bruce (from wikipedia):

Here's the entire article on Black Mask:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mask_%28comics%29
Thanks for that info! It sounds exactly what I was thinking of and it would be another "unknown" villain so that people don't make the inevitable comparisons.
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The microwave emitter that evaporates water in sewage pipes that are deep underground but leaves above ground humans unharmed didn't fit with the realistic universe.
Agreed.

After Begins, I could easily see plants spewing toxic venom.
Old 08-08-10 | 08:08 AM
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She has the look for it. Jolie..does not.
And again, you are talking about a role based on a fictional drawing that has been interpreted differently every time. As pointed out a page or so ago, no one here thought Heath had the look for it either, but we were all proven wrong.
Old 08-08-10 | 05:14 PM
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Solid Snake: that is more or less what I was working towards with Dr. Ivy. Not make her a major character, just a cameo thrown in as a shout out to the fans. Kind of along the lines of Zsas in Batman Begins. Again, Nolan is going for Batman's early years, so it's just acknowledging certain characters and events will occur, we just won't be seeing all of it. In that regard, Cotillard could work as well. Selina Kyle could just be someone Bruce Wayne encounters at social events and has some minor flirtations.
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God I love Cotillard. I've loved her since La vie en rose... So you're saying that you'd like to see her cameo as S Kyle?
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Is this meant to be the final Nolan/Bale Batman film? If so, I'm not so sure if they would relegate such a popular character such as Catwoman to a cameo. Poison Ivy on the other hand I could see.
Old 08-08-10 | 07:29 PM
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God I love Cotillard. I've loved her since La vie en rose... So you're saying that you'd like to see her cameo as S Kyle?
I've started to love Cotillard since I saw how smoking hot she could be in Inception. She had the whole femme fatale thing going full blast. Are you saying you can make this cameo or appearance happen?

I'd love to see her as Selina Kyle, but I also don't want the movie to get bogged down with characters. The second worked Two-Face in as an integral part of the third act and he made sense. I could see them taking the same approach with Catwoman. Since Rachel is dead, Selina could easily fill the female lead spot. Riddler could work as the main villain, and then Batman could get help from Catwoman at the end. I'm really only down for the Ivy cameo if they got Christina Hendricks for the role. And if she has a drink with Selina played by Cotillard....and they had a bit too much and started making out...

I need to go change....
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I've started to love Cotillard since I saw how smoking hot she could be in Inception. She had the whole femme fatale thing going full blast. Are you saying you can make this cameo or appearance happen?

I'd love to see her as Selina Kyle, but I also don't want the movie to get bogged down with characters. The second worked Two-Face in as an integral part of the third act and he made sense. I could see them taking the same approach with Catwoman. Since Rachel is dead, Selina could easily fill the female lead spot. Riddler could work as the main villain, and then Batman could get help from Catwoman at the end. I'm really only down for the Ivy cameo if they got Christina Hendricks for the role. And if she has a drink with Selina played by Cotillard....and they had a bit too much and started making out...

I need to go change....
Marion looked gorgeous in Public Enemies. It's nice to see an actress doing good work after she wins an Oscar.
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Marion looked gorgeous in Public Enemies. It's nice to see an actress doing good work after she wins an Oscar.
I'll agree with Public Enemies. She just had that whole "bad girl" thing going in Inception.


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