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Why So Blu? 07-20-12 05:33 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11315623)
Bane was a physical threat to Batman, but that was about it. The Joker was a threat to the very ideals Batman fights to protect. The Joker even says "You didn't think I'd risk losing the battle for Gotham's soul in a fistfight with you?"

The scene in TDK where Batman is wailing on The Joker in the interrogation room and the Joker just laughs is way scarier than anything Bane did in this film.

I disagree. Joker was an agent of chaos and Bane was an agent of controlled chaos. Joker was spontaneous, which is scary in its own right, but Bane was methodical and calculating with a purpose. Not that Joker wasn't to a degree, but even he said that "he was a dog chasing a car..."

They're both up there, though.

Supermallet 07-20-12 05:38 PM

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Ultimately Bane only wants to destroy Gotham, though. The Joker wanted to destroy the goodness in people.

RocShemp 07-20-12 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11315630)
I disagree. Joker was an agent of chaos and Bane was an agent of controlled chaos. Joker was spontaneous, which is scary in its own right, but Bane was methodical and calculating with a purpose. Not that Joker wasn't to a degree, but even he said that "he was a dog chasing a car..."

They're both up there, though.

The Joker was a compulsive liar. He was a man with a plan, despite his claims to the contrary.

Why So Blu? 07-20-12 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 11315641)
The Joker wasa compulsive liar. He was a man with a plan, despite his claims to the contrary.

Bane was really a man with a plan. Literally.

bluetoast 07-20-12 06:19 PM

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I've been listening to Gotham's Reckoning a lot today. That chanting is awesome.

OldBoy 07-20-12 10:10 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by bluetoast (Post 11315674)
I've been listening to Gotham's Reckoning a lot today. That chanting is awesome.

What language is the chant of "Rise" in?

Dragon Tattoo 07-20-12 10:11 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11315645)
Bane was really a man with a plan. Literally.

Well, not really. It wasn't even his plan.

bluetoast 07-20-12 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 11315958)
What language is the chant of "Rise" in?

I'm not sure what it is actually.

Why So Blu? 07-20-12 10:41 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo (Post 11315959)
Well, not really. It wasn't even his plan.

In terms of execution. Never deviated or anything. Consistent.

Supermallet 07-20-12 10:51 PM

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Bane does deviate at one point, at least.

Spoiler:
Talia tells him not to kill Batman, and as soon as she leaves he tries to kill Batman.

Why So Blu? 07-20-12 10:58 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11316008)
Bane does deviate at one point, at least.

Spoiler:
Talia tells him not to kill Batman, and as soon as she leaves he tries to kill Batman.

Spoiler:
And gets shot by a fucking turret two seconds later. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that last order. ;)

JTH182 07-21-12 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 11308220)
If these two rumored lines make the final cut, I'll will be very pleased.
Batman to Bane:
Spoiler:
(after Bane makes a reference to Bruce losing those he loved chasing "makeup wearing clown")
"That clown would have made a joke of you."


Batman to Gordon
Spoiler:
Batman: "Not all heroes wear masks; some do things as simple as giving a coat to a scared little boy."
(Gordon flashes to him comforting a young Bruce from BB) Gordon: (whispering) "Bruce Wayne."


Well one of those quotes was right... where did you hear the other? The same source?

kefrank 07-23-12 01:48 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11315630)
I disagree. Joker was an agent of chaos and Bane was an agent of controlled chaos. Joker was spontaneous, which is scary in its own right, but Bane was methodical and calculating with a purpose. Not that Joker wasn't to a degree, but even he said that "he was a dog chasing a car..."

The two characters are different, but you're off on the Joker a bit here. His whole speech to Dent about plans and being "a dog chasing a car" is just part of his trickster-ism. It's not an honest manifesto at all. He's a (practical) Joker that thrives on elaborately planned setups devised for his own twisted amusement. The Joker couldn't have pulled off much of anything that he does in the the Dark Knight if he was really spontaneous.

bunkaroo 07-23-12 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 11315958)
What language is the chant of "Rise" in?

My googling seems to indicate it's Moroccan Arabic for "he rises".

RocShemp 07-23-12 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 11318961)
The two characters are different, but you're off on the Joker a bit here. His whole speech to Dent about plans and being "a dog chasing a car" is just part of his trickster-ism. It's not an honest manifesto at all. He's a (practical) Joker that thrives on elaborately planned setups devised for his own twisted amusement. The Joker couldn't have pulled off much of anything that he does in the the Dark Knight if he was really spontaneous.

Exactly. He was playing Dent. And he completely spells out his true nature when he asks Batman "you didn't really think I'd leave the fight for Gotham's soul up to a fist fight with you?" and then says "no. You need an ace in the hole. And mine's Harvey." The joker is a schemer and a planner. He's not an agent of chaos.

Supermallet 07-23-12 03:12 PM

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You could say he's an agent of chaos in that his goal is to create chaos, but he uses schemes and plans to get to that goal.

kefrank 07-23-12 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 11319148)
You could say he's an agent of chaos in that his goal is to create chaos, but he uses schemes and plans to get to that goal.

I don't know. I think it's most accurate to say that the Joker is an agent of manipulation, not an agent of chaos. He manipulates for the sake of his own sick amusement, not for the sake of chaos. I suppose he might be amused by chaos at times, but that doesn't seem to be the desired end to his tricks in most of the movie.

Double_Oh_7 07-23-12 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 11315645)
Bane was really a man with a plan. Literally.

Um, no. Not even literally.

Why So Blu? 07-23-12 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Double_Oh_7 (Post 11319197)
Um, no. Not even literally.

Bane followed the plan...literally.


;)

Groucho 07-23-12 03:41 PM

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Bane was a mane with a plane. Figuratively.

Hailey G 07-23-12 03:52 PM

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The Bane in Spain falls mainly on the plain

The Infidel 07-23-12 06:45 PM

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Spoiler:
The plane with Bane fell mainly on the terrain.

OldBoy 07-23-12 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 11318996)
My googling seems to indicate it's Moroccan Arabic for "he rises".

Thanks bunk!

RocShemp 07-25-12 02:40 AM

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This is just stupid. It's bad enough that I had to download three of the missing tracks via some annoying website mentioned in the sticker included with the CD but, if I want all the missing tracks, I either have to get this iTunes app and buy all three releases of the score? :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by bluetoast (Post 11315674)
I've been listening to Gotham's Reckoning a lot today. That chanting is awesome.

Check out the unreleased version of Bane's theme.

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<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2CQhRrbheIg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

alfredog1976 08-22-12 05:50 PM

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'The Dark Knight Rises' Sold 12 Million Fewer Tickets Than Tim Burton's 'Batman'
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/dar...kets-sold/9267


Box office watchers have long taken inflation into consideration when factoring in how films from different eras stack up against one another at the box office, but it’s even more interesting when you look at how films compare in terms of raw numbers of tickets sold.

As regular users of super-site Box Office Mojo, we thought we’d found all the cool hidden tools to compare movies in bizarre ways, but thanks to Twitter friend @BrianWCollins, we’ve learned something new today: the site allows users to not only compare financial data, but numbers of tickets sold too.

Collins discovered that The Dark Knight Rises is actually on pace to sell 10 million fewer tickets than Tim Burton’s 1989 Batman. That seems staggering when you stop to think about it – given how Nolan’s Bat films have done huge business at the box office.

However, when Box Office Mojo took the average ticket price for each year and worked backwards from the total box office haul to figure out the raw number of tickets sold for each film, the numbers spoke for themselves. Batman sold an estimated 62,954,600 tickets back in 1989 with an average price of $3.97. The Dark Knight Rises, meanwhile, has sold 50,635,700 tickets to date at an average price of $8.02 per ticket – a 12 million ticket gap.

While not an exact science by any stretch of the imagination, the number of tickets sold estimates really put the box office power of successful films into perspective. Numerical amounts like a billion dollars are clearly huge – but when you start thinking about 63 million tickets, one gets a more exact feel for how many people paid to see a film. 63 million means roughly one in four Americans saw Batman at the theater in 1989 (which is again an estimate, some people saw it more than once).

That being said, even Burton’s Batman was no match for The Avengers – Marvel’s superhero dream team has sold 76 million tickets to date, enough to beat both Keaton and Nicholson and Bale and Ledger’s output (The Dark Knight logged an estimated 74 million sales).

If you’re bored, or want to dig deeper into these stats for your own amusement, swing by Box Office Mojo. Search for a movie, then click the drop-down menu in the upper right corner and you can adjust figures for inflation in different years or view estimated ticket sales numbers in order to see how movies from different eras stack up. If you want to learn more about Box Office Mojo’s methodology, you can read up on it on their Adjusting for Ticket Price Inflation page.


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