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Yeah, I didn't feel like it was this huge loss because she just wasn't all that sympathetic of a character.

Katie really was much more likeable in the role. She isn't as good of an actress, but her performance in that role was better. Recasting that role was a mistake.

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Not sure if we're supposed to be sympathetic to Rachel or to Bruce. Plus, it's what fuels Dent's rage to seek vengeance setting things into motion that will come to bear in TDKR.

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We're about 4 years too late to be talking about this. :)

Doesn't matter, obviously but just sayin'.

Better than 30 some-odd years too late talking about why Vader threw the Emperor over the ledge at the last minute or something!

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Easy explanation for both: Shit happens.

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Agree on the first part.

Holmes would have seemed way to young for Harvey though, because of her appearance. Honestly, I can't imagine Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent fighting over either of them.

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Agree about the age. Also, Holmes had already played the lover of an Aaron Eckhart character in Thank You For Smoking. The only problem I had with Gyllenhall in the role was I felt like her death had less of an impact with a different actress.

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I may be wrong, but I thought Rachel was re-cast because Holmes wasn't available to do TDK.

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It was recast, because it had to be done. Cruise told Holmes not to be in the film and that was that. Why are we talking about that bullshit again?

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Does anybody know for sure if that is correct?

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Nope. But "Tom Cruise is crazy!" never loses traction on the Internet.

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I like MG in general but thought she was horrible in TDK.

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Some scans from Empire:

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EmpireDKRscan1.jpg

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EmpireDKRscan4.jpg

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EmpireDKRscan2.jpg

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EmpireDKRscan3.jpg

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/EmpireDKRscan5.jpg

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Ok, this is why Nolan gives me a monster headache.
Apparently The DA in this 'more realistic' universe was sooooooo significant, cut such a major presence, that eight years later they are still still pulling his image out as if he were some religious like martyr.

Ok. That's a little difficult to swallow, but I'll try to roll with it.
Harvey Dent made such an impact in his short career that people now look back at him like he was the JFK of Gotham. 'kay, whatever.

But at the same time, this films universe asks me to believe that his Lee Harvey Oswald is still out there running around because the entire universe of law enforcement are just stumped when he disappears- or else they just shrug their shoulders and say "sure he assassinated members of law enforcement and the judicial system, but now that he's retired we'll just forget about him".
Seriously?

What am I saying- of course he's serious...it's Nolan, the master of serious superhero fiction.

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Seems like a lot to speculate on based on a simple picture without any context.

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Considering you have absolutely no idea, just as any of us, about WHY Dent's image is important to that scene, well...I'm glad I don't make assumptions that lead to needless "monster" headaches.

EDIT:

What fumanstan said. ^^^

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So a small group of rich people memorialize someone that died a few years ago. I don't get how that's a big deal?

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Well, it was already a big deal at the end of TDK. The whole absurd "Harvey was so special to the people of this city we can't afford to besmirch his memory with...the truth! "

Nolan has already displayed a propensity to inflate this characters civic value to such absurd proportions, that I don't see speculation here as being that far out of bounds.

The thing is, even in TDK I never understood just why this guy was supposed to be so amazing in his job. There was one showy scene in the courtroom, but to extrapolate from that a whole career that was amazing enough to continue to be memorialized eight years later, just seems really over the top.

But ok, let's say I am flying off the handle and this is just a small get together at Waynes' mansion we are seeing with a bunch of rich people, and Bruce is the one continuing to beat the drum for Dent.
That still doesn't account for the fact that tri level law enforcement (city, state, federal) have been entirely incapable of finding Batman when they have a more than compelling reason to finally track him down and bring him to justice.

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What I don't get is

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I think the revelation will be simply one cog in a giant machine. We already know "A Tale of Two Cities" is a major source of inspiration for the thematic drive of this film so I feel it'll be more than "OMG! Dent was a murderer!" Instead it'll be "Dent's a murderer? No surprise there. All these rich fucks are murderers covering for themselves!"

Basically, we'll see an extreme version "the Depression" Gotham went through around the time Bruce's parents were still around. Except that Bane will have 8 years to bring it to a boiling point.

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Yes, lets just say that.

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Why is everyone so sure that scene is 8 years later? Maybe that's at the beginning of the film, and then we move 8 years ahead.

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We don't know the full story of the movie, and we're complaining?

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It wouldn't be an internet message board if people weren't constantly bitching and moaning.

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If there is indeed a plot of the haves vs. the have nots, then this might wind up being a rather timely movie given the current situation in America. In terms of the connection to the Dickens novel:

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The only person who seems "sure" is Paul_SD who is heavily influenced by his own obsessive compulsion to complain about Christopher Nolan.