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Um...yeah. Way too much overanalyzing for me. I just care if the movie is good or not.

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The Nolan films haven't 'ruined' the Burton / Schumacher films for me.

I love Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Batman 89 and yes, Batman Forever.

Two eras, three different takes of Batman.

I don't enjoy Returns as much as I used to because I overexposed myself to it when I was younger by rewatching it more often than most movies. I've never lumped Forever in with Batman and Robin, though it's obvious that film is basically a remake of Forever in many ways, just much more half-assed (or whole-assed).

The 89 Batsuit is still my favorite and it pisses me off that I can't afford to get that Hot Toys Batman 89 figure.
The Forever Batmobile was my favorite look of the Burton / Schumacher Batmobiles.

For me the Batwing from 89 is the most realistic vehicle in any of these movies because to me it looks like a military fighter jet like an F/A 18 Hornet but with modified wings and nose to resemble the Bat logo.

I love both Elfman's Batman theme and Elliot Goldenthal's variation of it for Forever. I enjoy the Returns score in the context of the film, but I've never liked it as a standalone listen the way I do the other two films.

At first I used to compare the Burton / Schumacher era with the Nolan era but not anymore. There's plenty of room for both on my shelf and my level of enjoyment.

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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Blech. The psych stuff was so obvious the only way they could've banged you over the head with it more was to have Batman break the fourth wall and explain with hand puppets.

The movie was just poorly made. Devito was brutal as the Penguin, but the whole Penguin outfit was just stupid. Even the production was off, as people noticed - it just looked cheap.

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I agree with the claim that BR works better if you look at it as a Tim Burton movie with Batman in it as opposed to a Batman movie directed by Burton. The 89 movie was a case of Burton working as a hired gun, but by Returns he had enough clout to be given the ball and run, and boy did he ever! ;)

Only problem with this argument is that one could say Batman and Robin works better if you look at it as a forced toy commercial directed by a gay guy.

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That's not a problem because Joel Schumacher was the first to admit this about the film anyway.

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I know, that's how I knew it was a forced toy commercial. :D The movie itself sucks, but the retrspective interviews really are interesting on that one, as everyone is now free to admit they knew it was more or les a POS.

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Considering that the 90s live-action Batman movie sequels (Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin) are as clunky, absurd, embarrassing to the actors in it, and have to feature multiple villains to keep the audiences attention--how can anyone really draw much of a distinction?

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Can someone remind me...How many villains did TDK have again? ;)

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Oh, snap!












*looks down* Three: Joker, Two-Face, and a cameo by The Scarecrow (but they weren't campily working together to bring down Batman as a super-villain team or anything!)

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Oh yeah, and how many in BB also? ;)

And if you think about it, Catwoman and Penguin really don't "team up" (at least to the best of my recollection). He wants to team up with her, and they kind of do with the chick, but that pretty much dissolved their partnership. :shrug:

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I think I'm most DEFINITELY in the minority here, but I still think Michael Keaton was the best Batman AND Bruce Wayne. There, I said it!

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I wouldn't ever make the comparison anyway.

Keaton's Bruce Wayne was someone we didn't know very well because he really didn't have all that much to say or do in either film. We got his sense of isolation with his research and surveillance in the Batcave, but aside from a couple of meetings in Returns he just wasn't given as much to do and we weren't given as much of a chance to know him as much as we did in Forever and the Nolan films.

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I loved Keaton as Bruce Wayne. Never really bought him in the suit though. I liked the fact that Keaton's Wayne always seemed mentally imbalanced. Bale's Wayne seems as haunted as Keaton's did (perhaps a little more so), but you never get the sense he might go off the deep end at any minute...Keaton always had that in his performance.

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I just saw the new trailer for the first time. Sorry if it was brought up already but wasn't the guy Bane had at .33 the shotgun toting bank manager from TDK?

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My favorite Bruce Wayne/Batman is still Adam West.
Not trying to be snarky or smart alecky, I honestly love his sincerity, seriousness, and commanding presence in the role. The tone of the material may strike many people as making any of the performances irrelevant, but I think plugging someone like Lyle Waggoner in there, you would get a much different (and probably lesser) product.

And for that matter, that's probably still the Batman film I have the fewest issues with. Other films may aim higher, but they also have glaring, debilitating weaknesses to me. The '66 film only aspires to entertain in a good natured way like a good chunk of the comics (yes, even post Neal Adams/Denny O'Neal) and for me, it succeeds.

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Pretty certain it is not.

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No. It's a different company. It's a different quality of product.

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The guy from TDK was William Fichtner, and many have assumed he was cast because "Heat" was an influence on the film. Don't know who the guy who asks Bane "what are you?" is, but it's definitely not Fichtner.

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That character in the trailer is

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Great analysis. Agreed, he was great for what those films needed him to be.

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The Adam West version of Batman works well for the time it was made and was a pretty fair portrayal of the Batman comics of the time. I think that's why despite it's corniness I still like it too.

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That's what makes Batman such an enduring character. No matter what the era or interpretation, they all work in their own way. None is more or less valid than the other. None are definitive except to each of us. Each of us has that favorite, each of us has that definitive take. Sometimes those aren't even the same.

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Have yet to find someone here admit their fondness for this version...

http://i.imgur.com/kSsk8.jpg

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I liked the first image you posted more. :)