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In 1989 I was caught up in the hysteria of Tim Burton's Batman, rating the thing VERY highly, but in the years that followed I looked at it with a little more critical eye and have found it to be a mediocre movie at best.
I doubt very seriously that I'll ever think that TDK is mediocre, but I also think it's also very likely that some of the people caught up in the hysteria over THIS movie will look at it a little differently 5 or 10 years from now. Instead of putting it in the top 5 or 10 movies OF ALL TIME I think they'll merely call it a great movie, possibly deserving a place in the AFI Top 100. |
Originally Posted by B5Erik
What I've been saying is that it's silly to say that a movie that has been out for 2 or 3 days is on a par or better than the best movies ever made (such as The Godfather, Goodfellas, etc, etc, etc).
Just get out and see The Dark Knight. I've been prone to hyperbole in the past, but this is easily the best genre picture of it's kind in a long time...if not of all time. I think it can stand alongside all the movies that have been mentioned in this thread. |
Originally Posted by mdc3000
In this case it seems fanboyism is running rampant, but when I saw The Departed and There Will Be Blood, I was ready to put them up against the best films of all time and I think they hold up (for me) - so if someone wants to make that claim for TDK, it's their right. Only time will tell. Sometimes you see a masterpiece and just know...
And The Departed and There Will Be Blood are still VERY recent, so we haven't seen how well they age. |
To each their own, because in my book The Departed > Casino. Easily. The Departed gets better each time I see it. (and in the case of TWBB, period pictures don't really 'age' the same way non period pictures do).
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Originally Posted by abe55
The Dark Knight did the impossible. It dethroned The Godfather. Shawshank, Lord of the Rings, American Beauty, none of those movies that were either at #2 at one time could dethrone The Godfather, but The Dark Knight did. Amazing.
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When was the last time The Godfather was not #1? I've been aware of IMDB's existence for only about 2.5 years, but it's always been #1 in that time frame.
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Originally Posted by wilky61
When was the last time The Godfather was not #1? I've been aware of IMDB's existence for only about 2.5 years, but it's always been #1 in that time frame.
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Originally Posted by B5Erik
No, it's not.
What I've been saying is that it's silly to say that a movie that has been out for 2 or 3 days is on a par or better than the best movies ever made (such as The Godfather, Goodfellas, etc, etc, etc). It's beyond silly to say that, it's ridiculous. It's fanboys on a collective high. Get back to me in 5 years and let's see if it's still held in that high regard. More importantly, lets see if any NON-fanboys give it those kind of accolades - because NONE of the reviews I've read put it on THAT high of a pedestal. Many of them note significant flaws in the movie. I'm sure it's good - DAMNED good - but what I'm seeing is the same kind of reaction we would have seen from the hard core fans when The Wrath of Khan came out - IF the internet had existed back then. TWOK is a great movie, but it's not Godfather or Goodfellas great. |
Originally Posted by conscience
Are you sure AB never made it to number one? I could have sworn that it did for a short time. Is there a place that tells what has been number one, two, etc in the past?
Well maybe American Beauty was at #1 at sometime, but never when I was a member. It was ranked #2 for a pretty long time though. |
Kudos to those dudes living in their mother's basement and who have time to create multiple accounts at IMDB, I guess.
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The Thing > The Dark Knight.
Had to be said. |
the Top 250 has been updated, still number 1 by .4 with 69,135 votes :)
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Update: 9.5 score with 104,906 votes
This may very well be IMDb's #1 movie for a very long time. |
Update: 115,340, 9.4 and still #1.
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Could it be that it'll be #1 after the dust settles? I know The Godfather has a 9.1 rating, but it's been steady at 9.4 lately.
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It has dropped .1 in the last few days, so we'll see.
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i'll be fairly surprised if it maintains. it will have to endure the inevitable backlash of people who didn't see it the first weekend and will be somewhat let down after the now-astronomical hype. also, the haters who intentionally rebel against the hype.
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Originally Posted by kefrank
i'll be fairly surprised if it maintains. it will have to endure the inevitable backlash of people who didn't see it the first weekend and will be somewhat let down after the now-astronomical hype. also, the haters who intentionally rebel against the hype.
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I'm assuming that the 115,340 people who voted for The Dark Knight haven't seen The Rules of the Game.
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^ Seriously. Most movies that attain a high ranking on the Top 250 do so within a few days of their release with a handful (maybe 10-15K) of voters giving it praise. Then they sink like a stone once the casual movie watchers finally see it and rank it. The fact that TDK has over 115K votes <i>and</i> is still #1 is pretty amazing. Even if it does drop from #1 I see it sticking around in the top 5 for a long time.
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Originally Posted by KillerCannibal
^ Seriously. Most movies that attain a high ranking on the Top 250 do so within a few days of their release with a handful (maybe 10-15K) of voters giving it praise. Then they sink like a stone once the casual movie watchers finally see it and rank it. The fact that TDK has over 115K votes <i>and</i> is still #1 is pretty amazing. Even if it does drop from #1 I see it sticking around in the top 5 for a long time.
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Originally Posted by TheMovieman
Exactly. When this was first up there early on, I figured that, like ROTK or any other fanboy movie, it would fall some and settle down around number 30 or so (BB is at #100), but at this rate I think it could be in the top 5 for a while...
ROTK was in the top five for years. Hell, I remember all three LOTR movies being in the top ten for years. It's about time they finally fell out of the top ten. |
Originally Posted by B5Erik
I don't know - The Departed was a VERY good movie, maybe great, but not on a par with Godfather 1 & 2 or Goodfellas. Hell, I think Casino's better than The Departed.
And The Departed and There Will Be Blood are still VERY recent, so we haven't seen how well they age. There Will Be Blood on the other hand, is a masterpiece, one that will probably age wonderfully. |
Originally Posted by NoirFan
I'm assuming that the 115,340 people who voted for The Dark Knight haven't seen The Rules of the Game.
If it isn't called Wizard Of Oz, Gone With The Wind, It's A Wonderful Life, or Casablanca, nobody gives a shit. Its the modern time here, people want to see, vote, whatever, on more modern movies they grew up with. Do you think anybody that was alive to see The Rules of the Game hangs out on IMDB. No. Shit man my Grandma is 75 she never heard of The Rules of the Game and she sure as shit isn't on IMDB. She can barely handle her AOL email account. I love TDK, and I think its about time for something else to be #1 I got sick of seeing The Godfather up there, I love Godfather and all, but its time to shake things up, time for some new blood. |
Update: Still #1 with a 9.3 and 124,766 votes. So it's down .1 from the previous day, but still above Shawshank by .2. Yea, this thing isn't moving for a while.
Edit: Shawshank Redemption is now #2, with The Godfather at #3. Don't know when that happened. I suspect some TDK lovers/fanboys voted lots of 1's for The Godfather to help dethrone it and, in turn, they knocked it lower than #2. |
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