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Old 06-29-08 | 06:51 PM
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It appeared to me that it wasn't just the trash, but also the atmosphere was deteriorating, making life on earth unsustainable. That would be the reason for sending people off in the ships. And if you really think they killed a large portion of the population, the I think you're reading way too far into things.
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So one little plant made it sustainable again? And then the earth is repopulated and all the living things return? Were they extinct (in which case they would not return). Hiding? What? What the hell is the ecology on this new earth?

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I didn't say they left a lot of people to die, just that it's not explained. However 6+ billion people in ship(s) would be a little unbelievable.

Look, if the movie itself had been a lot better, like every other Pixar film has been, I'd be a lot more forgiving. But if I'm thinking of all these things while the movie is going on (and what I've said here is only the tip of the iceberg), it's just not working for me.

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Old 06-29-08 | 06:58 PM
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The existence of the one plant shows that life can be sustained on the planet. I imagine it's not the only plant in the entire world, it's just the only one Wall-E and Eve found.
Old 06-29-08 | 07:10 PM
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The existence of the one plant shows that life can be sustained on the planet. I imagine it's not the only plant in the entire world, it's just the only one Wall-E and Eve found.
I'm not going to keep arguing about this but
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Old 06-29-08 | 07:44 PM
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This is the first movie I've seen three times in three days. I went with different groups of people over the past three days. It's not my favorite film, but it is great.
Old 06-29-08 | 07:58 PM
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I enjoyed the hell of it. ****1/2 out of five. It was close to perfect.

The wife liked it. My daughter loved it.
Old 06-29-08 | 08:51 PM
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I'm not going to keep arguing about this but
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I would like to subscribe to the Suprmallet Ecology Newsletter that explains how one (or even a bunch) of plants, presumably the first in 700 years, makes a planetary ecology sustainable or even remotely possible.
It's a family movie. Get over it. The science isn't great, but it's not Gattaca we're talking about here.
Old 06-29-08 | 09:01 PM
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Did anyone else wonder why if
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we had the means to send the entire population of the planet off in ship(s) (or maybe it was just an elite few, the movie glosses over that for good reason) we didn't just send off the garbage into space and we stay here?
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That's a bad idea because it removes resources from the Earth which can be recycled.
Old 06-29-08 | 09:13 PM
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It's a family movie. Get over it. The science isn't great, but it's not Gattaca we're talking about here.
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Old 06-29-08 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
It's a family movie. Get over it. The science isn't great, but it's not Gattaca we're talking about here.
As I said, if I thought the movie was otherwise any good, I'd be much more forgiving.
Old 06-29-08 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
It's a family movie. Get over it. The science isn't great, but it's not Gattaca we're talking about here.
Honestly, are you surprised that movielib would dislike a movie that had a left-leaning "green" message? If he had liked it I would have frightened.
Old 06-29-08 | 10:33 PM
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Honestly, are you surprised that movielib would dislike a movie that had a left-leaning "green" message? If he had liked it I would have frightened.
I know I'll get savaged for this too but while I didn't love The Happening I enjoyed it much more than Wall-E. While I wouldn't call The Happening particularly intelligent I don't think it had the unrelenting, undermining illogic of Wall-E.

The Day After Tomorrow was very stupid but I still found it more entertaining than Wall-E.

I love Planet Earth but I suppose that doesn't count.

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Old 06-29-08 | 10:40 PM
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Saw this today in DLP. Looked amazing, of course. I can't remember the last movie I saw where mot only was there was applause at the end of the movie but there was applause at the end of the credits.
Old 06-29-08 | 10:51 PM
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what is everyones problem with the Gabriel song?
Old 06-29-08 | 11:05 PM
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... and I would personally agree with the critic who called it Pixar's first failure.
You couldn't more wrong if you name was Wrongie McWrongenstein.

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what is everyones problem with the Gabriel song?
Too literal/cheezy.
Old 06-29-08 | 11:42 PM
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You couldn't more wrong if you name was Wrongie McWrongenstein.
I'm wrong that I personally agree with that critic? Well, thank you, in the future I'll check with you to see what my opinion is.
Old 06-29-08 | 11:50 PM
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I'm not going to keep arguing about this but
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I would like to subscribe to the Suprmallet Ecology Newsletter that explains how one (or even a bunch) of plants, presumably the first in 700 years, makes a planetary ecology sustainable or even remotely possible.
But you can accept that Wall-E goes on this crazy adventure of his AND gets back to earth?
Old 06-30-08 | 12:09 AM
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Why no Up trailer? i thought they usually debuted the trailer for the following year's Pixar film with the current one?
Old 06-30-08 | 12:25 AM
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I'm wrong that I personally agree with that critic? Well, thank you, in the future I'll check with you to see what my opinion is.
You know what I meant - don't be such a douche.
Old 06-30-08 | 12:47 AM
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Except for the animated humans everything looked very VERY close to real.
I think I read somewhere, maybe when the Incredibles came out, that Pixar said they could easily make realistic-looking humans if they wanted to. They choose to make the cartoonish to keep from distracting from the story and emphasize that what you are watching isn't real; it's fantasy.
Old 06-30-08 | 01:05 AM
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Well, thank you, in the future I'll check with you to see what my opinion is.
You don't need us to tell you what your opinion is, but we'll gladly tell you when your opinion is wrong! *







* For the emoticon illiterate, the preceding comment was a joke.
Old 06-30-08 | 01:21 AM
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What's wrong with not loving Wall-E? Most of my problem's with this film were with it's script as well.

Also, movielib, I agree that the Happening was a more entertaining film than Wall-E and I am not afraid to share this opinion with others. Thankfully I am not alone in sharing my honest opinion.

Although I am a very "Pro-Earth" person and believe we need to make serious changes to protect our environment I did not agree with the Cynical views presented in Wall-E. I especially doubt that the mindless drones, known as human beings, will be able to return to Earth to bring it's apocalyptic wasteland into something truly salvageable after having lost touch with all reality, forgetting how to read, and even stand up to walk. It will take a long time for them to figure out how to bring a lot of life to our planet (even more so with a captain leading everyone in the quest to plant pepperoni pizza seeds). We are all indeed doomed for the next couple thousand years at least.
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Originally Posted by movielib
I'm not going to keep arguing about this but
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I would like to subscribe to the Suprmallet Ecology Newsletter that explains how one (or even a bunch) of plants, presumably the first in 700 years, makes a planetary ecology sustainable or even remotely possible.
I think you fundamentally misunderstand this movie, because it addresses this point. The idea that
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one verified living plant means the planet is now a verdant, hospitable wonderland is precisely the basis for B'n'L's ridiculous (and ridiculed) evacuation plan. If I recall (on the memory of one viewing), the captain of the Axiom is presented with the obvious stupidity of this half-thought, when he has the ship's computer show him upon receipt of the plant the present condition of Earth: the same barren, virtually lifeless dump they had left. His conclusion (after an initial disappointment after the candy-coating of B'n'L's images) is not that the planet is finally, after all those centuries of patient waiting, ready to support life again--it's that simply waiting for that to happen is the kind of passive, lazy thinking that has stolen humanity's humanity and ruined the planet in the first place. This is why I don't really get the (apparently not uncommon) sentiment that WALL-E is some sort of anti-consumerist/environmental screed--the moral seems much more about the humanity and necessity of taking control of one's future, instead of abdicating it to lazy automation (and of course about the nifty irony of a discarded automaton re-sparking that idea).

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Old 06-30-08 | 03:57 AM
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Well put, Bob.
Old 06-30-08 | 07:31 AM
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I agree with some critics that Wall-E is a "sulfurous satire" but I don't think its premise is so far-fetched when you consider the image that America is projecting of itself in its own medias to the rest of the world these days and which I would summarize this way:

                It's nice to see a children's film that has the courage to tackle at least some of these issues when so many "adult" films just ignore them.

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                Old 06-30-08 | 07:39 AM
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                I think you fundamentally misunderstand this movie, because it addresses this point. The idea that
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                one verified living plant means the planet is now a verdant, hospitable wonderland is precisely the basis for B'n'L's ridiculous (and ridiculed) evacuation plan. If I recall (on the memory of one viewing), the captain of the Axiom is presented with the obvious stupidity of this half-thought, when he has the ship's computer show him upon receipt of the plant the present condition of Earth: the same barren, virtually lifeless dump they had left. His conclusion (after an initial disappointment after the candy-coating of B'n'L's images) is not that the planet is finally, after all those centuries of patient waiting, ready to support life again--it's that simply waiting for that to happen is the kind of passive, lazy thinking that has stolen humanity's humanity and ruined the planet in the first place. This is why I don't really get the (apparently not uncommon) sentiment that WALL-E is some sort of anti-consumerist/environmental screed--the moral seems much more about the humanity and necessity of taking control of one's future, instead of abdicating it to lazy automation (and of course about the nifty irony of a discarded automaton re-sparking that idea).
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                In other words, humanity should never have left. It would have made much more sense to send the garbage into space than the people. So that lazy thinking was the result of the evil corporation convincing an entire planet of such idiocy. The idea that this could actually happen is, itself, idiotic. No matter how you slice it, the premise and plot are idiotic.

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