The Hobbit
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Re: The Hobbit
From an interview with the director:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment...on_legacy.html
Let's talk about aging down Jeff Bridges: What's the hardest part of that?
Did it work for you?
I gotta admit, at first, the mouth was an issue for me.
You're talking about the first scene, [where the de-aged Bridges tells a] bedtime story?
Yeah.
But then as the movie goes on ...
In the Grid it works better because that world is so fantastical.
Yeah. I feel like ... um, honestly I feel like Clu, I don't think he's at 100 percent in 100 percent of the shots. But I feel like there's a couple glimpses in there, especially during Clu's speech in the Rectifier, [that] I'm really happy with. For a moment, you buy this thing as a real character, which to me is exciting. I just don't think that's been done before.
Did it work for you?
I gotta admit, at first, the mouth was an issue for me.
You're talking about the first scene, [where the de-aged Bridges tells a] bedtime story?
Yeah.
But then as the movie goes on ...
In the Grid it works better because that world is so fantastical.
Yeah. I feel like ... um, honestly I feel like Clu, I don't think he's at 100 percent in 100 percent of the shots. But I feel like there's a couple glimpses in there, especially during Clu's speech in the Rectifier, [that] I'm really happy with. For a moment, you buy this thing as a real character, which to me is exciting. I just don't think that's been done before.
#1204
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Re: The Hobbit
So, if you only watched the movie, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Gandalf did NOT spend 17 years away from the Shire and rather maybe spent a week or even say a month or Hell, even a year. So, as far as the movies are concerned, they could easily get away with there only being 60 years between The Hobbit and LOTR.
I'd say it was a wise on Jackson's part to ignore the seventeen year gap because it gives the movie a sense of immediacy, and it would also be a strange thing to explain away in the first act of a movie.
#1205
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Re: The Hobbit
There's certainly an implication that not a lot of time passed between Gandalf leaving and returning in the movie. It looks like he rushed off to Minas Tirith, hit the library, learned about the ring, and then sped back to the Shire. The only indication that any great amount of time had passed is when the Hobbits find Bilbo in Rivendell.
I'd say it was a wise on Jackson's part to ignore the seventeen year gap because it gives the movie a sense of immediacy, and it would also be a strange thing to explain away in the first act of a movie.
I'd say it was a wise on Jackson's part to ignore the seventeen year gap because it gives the movie a sense of immediacy, and it would also be a strange thing to explain away in the first act of a movie.
I mean I knew that much more tie had past than what was depicted in the movie but it didn't register with me when I saw old Bilbo. I just thought of it as Bilbo just got old really quick because he didn't have the ring anymore.
By the way, it's been awhile since I read the books...what were Sauron and the Nazgul doing during that 17 year period?
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If you want to apply that logic, then Gollum should never lave lived long enough to be a factor in LOTR, since he was already hundreds of years old at the time of The Hobbit. When he lost the ring, he should have simply withered and died.
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I think Tolkien explained this. Gollum maintained his vitality because of his desire to regain possession of the ring, Bilbo willingly gave it away.
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1. Rebuilding Barad Dur after being kicked the fuck out of Dol Guldur.
2. Looking for and eventually capturing Gollum.
3. Breeding Orcs, "fell beasts" and the like.
4. Negotiating with the Dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
5. Slowly entrapping Saruman and Denethor
6. Taking over Ithilien and the Brown Lands while encircling Lothlorien and Fangorn, consolidating their hold on Minas Morgul.
7. Sending out scouts all over the world looking for the Ring, even to the borders of the Shire (Bree and Hollin were crawling with spies and encircling Rivendell).
8. Harrassing Minas Tirith and attacking (but eventually losing) Osgilith
9. Recruiting the Harad, the Corsairs and others.
10. Consolidating their hold on Khazad Dum and eventually kicking Balin the fuck out.
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People want to find ways to rationalize changing the timeline to allow Viggo Mortensen to appear in The Hobbit as an adult, rather than having Aragorn be the 10-year-old boy he should be. If people are going to try to make such (IMO silly) rationalizations by saying "well, the films didn't show a 17 year gap, so we can ignore it), then the same rule should apply consistently, should it not?
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Sauron was a busy little bee:
1. Rebuilding Barad Dur after being kicked the fuck out of Dol Guldur.
2. Looking for and eventually capturing Gollum.
3. Breeding Orcs, "fell beasts" and the like.
4. Negotiating with the Dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
5. Slowly entrapping Saruman and Denethor
6. Taking over Ithilien and the Brown Lands while encircling Lothlorien and Fangorn, consolidating their hold on Minas Morgul.
7. Sending out scouts all over the world looking for the Ring, even to the borders of the Shire (Bree and Hollin were crawling with spies and encircling Rivendell).
8. Harrassing Minas Tirith and attacking (but eventually losing) Osgilith
9. Recruiting the Harad, the Corsairs and others.
10. Consolidating their hold on Khazad Dum and eventually kicking Balin the fuck out.
1. Rebuilding Barad Dur after being kicked the fuck out of Dol Guldur.
2. Looking for and eventually capturing Gollum.
3. Breeding Orcs, "fell beasts" and the like.
4. Negotiating with the Dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
5. Slowly entrapping Saruman and Denethor
6. Taking over Ithilien and the Brown Lands while encircling Lothlorien and Fangorn, consolidating their hold on Minas Morgul.
7. Sending out scouts all over the world looking for the Ring, even to the borders of the Shire (Bree and Hollin were crawling with spies and encircling Rivendell).
8. Harrassing Minas Tirith and attacking (but eventually losing) Osgilith
9. Recruiting the Harad, the Corsairs and others.
10. Consolidating their hold on Khazad Dum and eventually kicking Balin the fuck out.
#1214
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Re: The Hobbit
True, but the discussion hasn't been about what Tolkien wrote (since there is no question about the timeline, when looking at what Tolkien wrote) but rather what was "interpreted" in the films.
People want to find ways to rationalize changing the timeline to allow Viggo Mortensen to appear in The Hobbit as an adult, rather than having Aragorn be the 10-year-old boy he should be. If people are going to try to make such (IMO silly) rationalizations by saying "well, the films didn't show a 17 year gap, so we can ignore it), then the same rule should apply consistently, should it not?
People want to find ways to rationalize changing the timeline to allow Viggo Mortensen to appear in The Hobbit as an adult, rather than having Aragorn be the 10-year-old boy he should be. If people are going to try to make such (IMO silly) rationalizations by saying "well, the films didn't show a 17 year gap, so we can ignore it), then the same rule should apply consistently, should it not?
I don't really think there was any intent on Jackson's part to have the seventeen year gap in FOTR. None of the Hobbits appear seventeen years older than they did at Bilbo's birthday party; Merry, Pip, and Sam all look and act like they did at the party when we meet them after Gandalf returns so I think there's intent on Jackson's part to not include it.
I also don't remember if they ever explicitly mention anything about how long ago it was that Bilbo had his adventure with Gandalf and the Dwarves, so they could also play with the timeline there.
At any rate, if Jackson wants to include a young Aragorn in a cameo, he'll do it and find justification within his retelling of the story to do so. It wouldn't be the first time he massaged the story.
I doubt Viggo Mortensen would portray the young Aragorn whether he's ten or thirty unless they do some digital de-aging on him. They'll probably go with a younger actor if he is to appear. If Viggo does make an appearance, it might be in one of the alleged "bookend" scenes that Ian Holm and Elijah Wood will be appearing in.
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Sauron was a busy little bee:
1. Rebuilding Barad Dur after being kicked the fuck out of Dol Guldur.
2. Looking for and eventually capturing Gollum.
3. Breeding Orcs, "fell beasts" and the like.
4. Negotiating with the Dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
5. Slowly entrapping Saruman and Denethor
6. Taking over Ithilien and the Brown Lands while encircling Lothlorien and Fangorn, consolidating their hold on Minas Morgul.
7. Sending out scouts all over the world looking for the Ring, even to the borders of the Shire (Bree and Hollin were crawling with spies and encircling Rivendell).
8. Harrassing Minas Tirith and attacking (but eventually losing) Osgilith
9. Recruiting the Harad, the Corsairs and others.
10. Consolidating their hold on Khazad Dum and eventually kicking Balin the fuck out.
1. Rebuilding Barad Dur after being kicked the fuck out of Dol Guldur.
2. Looking for and eventually capturing Gollum.
3. Breeding Orcs, "fell beasts" and the like.
4. Negotiating with the Dwarves in the Lonely Mountain.
5. Slowly entrapping Saruman and Denethor
6. Taking over Ithilien and the Brown Lands while encircling Lothlorien and Fangorn, consolidating their hold on Minas Morgul.
7. Sending out scouts all over the world looking for the Ring, even to the borders of the Shire (Bree and Hollin were crawling with spies and encircling Rivendell).
8. Harrassing Minas Tirith and attacking (but eventually losing) Osgilith
9. Recruiting the Harad, the Corsairs and others.
10. Consolidating their hold on Khazad Dum and eventually kicking Balin the fuck out.
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The latest Production Diary
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Well I don't think there's any doubt about it now, PJ is fat again. I guess working on Tolkien material is awfully stressful for him and he combats it by stuffing his face.
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Well I don't think there's any doubt about it now, PJ is fat again. I guess working on Tolkien material is awfully stressful for him and he combats it by stuffing his face.
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#1225
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I found it interesting that PJ says "check the gate" after shooting a scene in the production diary. I guess old habits die hard.