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raven56706 07-05-07 07:39 AM

voices shouldnt be a big deal... as long as prime was original is fine by me

RocShemp 07-05-07 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Superman07
Spoiler:
I don't think that tracks. The reason it would have worked on Prime is because of the Spark/Matrix in his chest. Not because he was simply going to put it in there. As far as I know Megatron didn't have that...so I too am confused as to why it actually killed him.

Spoiler:
Well the Matrix didn't play into this film at all. It was a fusion of Prime's Spark and the Allspark that was to cause the reaction. It was never explained in the film too clearly but all Transformers have a Spark. It's their Spirit, if you will. Prime's master plan was to fuse the Allspark with his own Spark to destroy them both. Basically, Prime deceived his troops into thinking that his master plan was to revive Cybertron. It was once they retrieved the glasses that he revealed what he was really up to. Hence the "No scarifice, no victory" angle.

Sam was told by Prime to plunge the Allspark into the latter's chest, should he fail to defeat Megatron. Sam instead chose to plunge it into Megatron's exposed Spark. Remember the F-22's Starscream was wailing on earlier? The few that survived managed to unload their payload onto Megatron. And Lennox and crew got to wail on Megatron as well, once Burnout was vanquished. Sam took advantage of a vital wound in Megatron's chest to plunge the Cube. The raw energy of the Allspark overwhelmed Megatron and killed him. (Well, assuming he really is dead and Soundwave doesn't know of a way to reactivate him. ;) )

Snowmaker 07-05-07 07:56 AM

OK, that makes sense now. Thanks.

If they do have Soundwave in the next movie, I wonder how he will transform. The whole "giant robots turning into small devices" thing won't fly like it did in the cartoon. Although, that giant cube sure mamaged to do it. Hmmm...

PixyJunket 07-05-07 08:13 AM

I'm not a fan of Transformers.. but I was taken to see the movie yesterday and enjoyed it. Though, the movie mostly made me excited for a sequel since there won't have to be so much exposition in the next film.

raven56706 07-05-07 08:24 AM

the thing for me is, how will they be able to do a sequel... the military know how to take them down and not sure where they can go from here

RocShemp 07-05-07 09:05 AM

Do they really?
Spoiler:
Sure they took down Barricade and Burnout but they couldn't take out Megatron without the Cube and Bumblebee had to dispatch Devastator. Heck, they couldn't even defeat Starscream and Scorponok escaped (although he lost part of his tail). They know which rounds can hurt them but killing one wasn't a walk in the park. If they arrive in larger numbers, the Decepticons can easily wipe out the military.

The question is: What will the Decepticons be after now that the Allspark was destroyed?

Snowmaker 07-05-07 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by raven56706
the thing for me is, how will they be able to do a sequel... the military know how to take them down and not sure where they can go from here

Not necessarily. The military had a hell of a time taking down just one.

FuQ 07-05-07 09:08 AM

It was okay, I have to agree with the poster above that when they came down started talking and posing, that is when the movie lost me. I didn't mind Optimus Prime speaking but everything but get off you soapbox for a second. We get it, you like humans. I don't know why. I also hated that little cartoony boom box. The new Jar Jar. I will say this: the best special effects I have ever seen and the best sound I've heard in a long time. Megan Fox is so hot in and I found it troubling that she is supposed to be 17 and I had a troubling amount of dirty thoughts every time she was on screen.

RocShemp 07-05-07 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
Not necessarily. The military had a hell of a time taking down just one.

Exactly.

Snowmaker 07-05-07 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by RocShemp
Spoiler:


The question is: What will the Decepticons be after now that the Allspark was destroyed?

http://img.consumating.com/photos/26...rge/150491.jpg

RocShemp 07-05-07 09:10 AM

http://search.stores.ebay.com/Ladies...sPageNameZWD1S :lol:

RocShemp 07-05-07 09:12 AM

Well there is that but they sure didn't seem to be in any short supply of energy in this film.

raven56706 07-05-07 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by RocShemp
Do they really?
Spoiler:
Sure they took down Barricade and Burnout but they couldn't take out Megatron without the Cube and Bumblebee had to dispatch Devastator. Heck, they couldn't even defeat Starscream and Scorponok escaped (although he lost part of his tail). They know which rounds can hurt them but killing one wasn't a walk in the park. If they arrive in larger numbers, the Decepticons can easily wipe out the military.

The question is: What will the Decepticons be after now that the Allspark was destroyed?


yeah your right... i just hope a good story

raven56706 07-05-07 10:06 AM

http://www.megansafox.com/gallery/al...formers_25.jpg
:drool:

Superman07 07-05-07 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by RocShemp
Spoiler:
Well the Matrix didn't play into this film at all. It was a fusion of Prime's Spark and the Allspark that was to cause the reaction. It was never explained in the film too clearly but all Transformers have a Spark. It's their Spirit, if you will. Prime's master plan was to fuse the Allspark with his own Spark to destroy them both. Basically, Prime deceived his troops into thinking that his master plan was to revive Cybertron. It was once they retrieved the glasses that he revealed what he was really up to. Hence the "No scarifice, no victory" angle.

Sam was told by Prime to plunge the Allspark into the latter's chest, should he fail to defeat Megatron. Sam instead chose to plunge it into Megatron's exposed Spark. Remember the F-22's Starscream was wailing on earlier? The few that survived managed to unload their payload onto Megatron. And Lennox and crew got to wail on Megatron as well, once Burnout was vanquished. Sam took advantage of a vital wound in Megatron's chest to plunge the Cube. The raw energy of the Allspark overwhelmed Megatron and killed him. (Well, assuming he really is dead and Soundwave doesn't know of a way to reactivate him. ;) )

Okay, that makes sense. I didn't see that there was anything there that was open - I was in the back of the theater. :(

Big Worms 07-05-07 11:32 AM

Holly shit! Saw this movie yesterday. Best movie I have seen since 300 this year. I went in with huge expectations and it met them all and more. The comedy was not expected but it added so much more to the movie. It was a very funny movie with alot of action! You cannot beat that. Now to find time to go see it again.

Doc MacGyver 07-05-07 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by The Bus
I saw a listing at KoP for "DLP" and "Giant Screen"... Not sure what the latter was. Do you know anything about this?

"Giant Screen" was referring to the Imax theater, only the movie wasn't shot or processed for Imax. Essentially, they just projected it on the bigger screen.


-Doc

C-Mart 07-05-07 11:55 AM

I saw this on Tuesday and I loved it. We were a group of 6 and everyone had a great time. Even my fiance, who up until she saw the movie, was adament that she would hate it.

One of the best scenes IMHO was the fight between Bumblebee and Barricade when Barricade jumps through the air and transforms into the Mustang to give chase.

A few notes on the whole "Bruckheimer/Bay" angle... the score was almost identicle to any other of their movies - and the military shots were pretty stock (as far as the helicopters coming in, etc...) I kept flashing to Armageddon.

I have to say the air attack on the Scroponok was pretty awesome.

When the Autobots descended to Earth, I LOVED the little kid saying "This is WAAAY cooler than Armageddon" as he ran to the crater.

As for the comedy, cheesy dialogue, etc... that's Transformers. I'm glad they kept to the original content as much as they did.

Oh yeah, I liked John Turturro as Agent Simmons, but I thought he had kind of a mutliple personality thing going on - like totally serious a-hole one minute, and kooky researcher the next... like Brent Spiner from Independence Day mixed with Hugo Weaving from The Matrix.

I hope I get a chance to see it again, but I still have to catch up on Ratatouie and Die Hard before Potter comes out.

RocShemp 07-05-07 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by raven56706

Absolute best reason to get this film on HD DVD or Blu-Ray! :drool:

Oh yeah and the giant robots and action... ;)

raven56706 07-05-07 12:15 PM

i wonder if someone can photochop daddy cool behind her

RocShemp 07-05-07 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Superman07
Okay, that makes sense. I didn't see that there was anything there that was open - I was in the back of the theater. :(

Don't worry. It's hard to see.
Spoiler:
I was seated reasonably close to the screen both times I saw it (the film definitely held up to repeat viewing last night) and the wound doesn't really show his Spark. What you do see is a smouldering wound in Megatron's chest. Of course it's easy to miss as it looks identical to the other smouldering wounds the F-22's left all over his torso. It's that chest wound that Spike uses to plunge the Allspark into Megatron. It's a bit of a cheat, though, since the Allspark seemed to mostly go into Megatron all on its own after Spike pushed it up against him.


Now I have a few questions of my own:
Spoiler:
Why is it that everything that was brought to life by the Allspark was a Decepticon?

What became of the Coke - err - Mountain Dew machine, the X-Box and the car whose stearing wheel and dashboard was killing those two girls?

How is it that Bumblebee know how to resize the Allspark but didn't know how to use it to restore his legs?

Dr. DVD 07-05-07 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Dane Marvin
80s toy line cartoons were not exactly the epitome of high drama.

J


Exactly what everyone needs to remember when they watch this movie. :) How might people react to the DinoBots if they take the whole "Me Grimlock..." type route?


Saw it a second time yesterday and liked it even better. Only part I didn't truly care for (guess it's okay to post spoilers) was Prime vs. Megatron. I mean I know Megatron is powerful and all but let Prime at least get in more than two offensive moves!

das Monkey 07-05-07 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by C-Mart
A few notes on the whole "Bruckheimer/Bay" angle... the score was almost identicle to any other of their movies

I disagree with this. Steve Jablonsky's score was awful and lacked that definitive Media Ventures (or Remote Control or whatever they call themselves now) style. I won't pretend that the Zimmerites have done particularly good work on these films (with the exception of Mancina's strong work on <i>Bad Boys</i>), but they've at least had some style and character. I found this to be even more generic and processed than usual and completely uninspired. I don't understand why they used him after <i>The Island</i>, which had to be the worst collaboration with Bay to date.

das

RocShemp 07-05-07 12:28 PM

I actually liked the score but I will say that I found it incredibly derivative. It was enjoyable but none too original. I was expecting more, however, given the eerie music from the teaser.

das Monkey 07-05-07 12:33 PM

I hate to ask this, in part because you don't look for logic in a film like this, and because it seems so incredibly stupid that I feel I must have simply missed a line of dialogue, but ... why did they take the AllSpark to the city? I mean, other than the cool special effects potential, of course. Everyone seemed to think it was a great plan, not at all concerned with all the carnage that would almost certainly ensue. Did I miss something?

das


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