There Will Be Blood - Paul Thomas Anderson
02-12-08 | 01:10 AM
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Wow, the ' I drink your milkshake' line has started hitting popular culture. Heard Keith Olbermann use it on countdown during his 'worst persons in the world' segment.
02-14-08 | 02:30 PM
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I saw this last night. What a phenomenal film and an amazing performance from Daniel Day Lewis. I love how he so becomes these characters he portrays, much like Bill the Butcher. You forget he is an actor and only see him as this tyrannical oil tycoon who casts aside anyone that stands in his way. Dano also did a good job, but I didn't fully buy him in the role. There was just something about him that didn't quite feel like he fit right, but he still did a commendable job. Anderson proves once again why he is one of the absolute best filmmakers working today. Everything felt so natural and authentic. You could tell a lot of research went into writing the film. I'd really like to see it again so I can fully digest it, but this was a powerful film that deserves all the acclaim it's receiving. DDL is a shoo-in for Best Actor.
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02-15-08 | 03:36 AM
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On that note, I'm glad I saw this film before the whole "milkshake" phenomenon took off. It was somewhat funny when I saw it, but if I were to see it now after hearing about all the jokes that have branched off from it, I don't know if I'd be able to appreciate the ending as much.
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02-17-08 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NIMH Rat
Didn't mean to be snarky; I meant to channel all negativity towards the film.
The thing cost me $30 and 3 hours.....the only plus is that my date also hated it, and afterwards we watched Hostel 2 on video and agreed that it said more about the evils of capitalism than TWBB.
The thing cost me $30 and 3 hours.....the only plus is that my date also hated it, and afterwards we watched Hostel 2 on video and agreed that it said more about the evils of capitalism than TWBB.
You clearly enjoy being the guy that hates something everyone loves - the problem is you are hating on something that is truly great. TWBB isn't Crash. It's one of the most amazing pieces of cinema ever composed. It is brilliance from beginning to end, and it captures the ethos of the period with such incredible adroitness that I was simply floored. It's at once gritty and beautiful, and the twin themes of the moral bankruptcy that lies beneath the birth of the American Dream in the Industrial Age and that of religious revivalism are so incredibly well done that I was just in awe. I don't know that I'll ever get to see something as good on the big screen again in my lifetime. And if you can't see what Plainview's character says about capitalism in this particular period, you just don't want to for the sake of being the guy who needs to laugh at the peons for not being as smart as him.
02-17-08 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FinkPish
OK, but how does it seem fractured and disassembled to you? You said this earlier and I'm still curious why you think this. The film didn't seem fractured to me at all; it followed a fairly logical path, according to what the focus of the film was, which was Plainview, not the fledgling oil industry.
Also, I think it's totally unfair to assume that people are only claiming to like the film because of the critical reaction to it. That just assumes that the people who don't like the film are the correct ones because they weren't sheep like the ones who did like it.
Also, I think it's totally unfair to assume that people are only claiming to like the film because of the critical reaction to it. That just assumes that the people who don't like the film are the correct ones because they weren't sheep like the ones who did like it.
02-17-08 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by brizz
I don't think i've ever heard a more ridiculous statement in my life
You clearly enjoy being the guy that hates something everyone loves - the problem is you are hating on something that is truly great. TWBB isn't Crash. It's one of the most amazing pieces of cinema ever composed. It is brilliance from beginning to end, and it captures the ethos of the period with such incredible adroitness that I was simply floored. It's at once gritty and beautiful, and the twin themes of the moral bankruptcy that lies beneath the birth of the American Dream in the Industrial Age and that of religious revivalism are so incredibly well done that I was just in awe. I don't know that I'll ever get to see something as good on the big screen again in my lifetime. And if you can't see what Plainview's character says about capitalism in this particular period, you just don't want to for the sake of being the guy who needs to laugh at the peons for not being as smart as him.
You clearly enjoy being the guy that hates something everyone loves - the problem is you are hating on something that is truly great. TWBB isn't Crash. It's one of the most amazing pieces of cinema ever composed. It is brilliance from beginning to end, and it captures the ethos of the period with such incredible adroitness that I was simply floored. It's at once gritty and beautiful, and the twin themes of the moral bankruptcy that lies beneath the birth of the American Dream in the Industrial Age and that of religious revivalism are so incredibly well done that I was just in awe. I don't know that I'll ever get to see something as good on the big screen again in my lifetime. And if you can't see what Plainview's character says about capitalism in this particular period, you just don't want to for the sake of being the guy who needs to laugh at the peons for not being as smart as him.
Let me ask, are you a major major film buff? Have you seen a ton of films, from many different countries and periods? I want to get a sense of your frame of reference.
I mean, I can name at least 1,000 movies that, to me, have greater significance than "There Will Be Blood."
If I seem a bit over-the-top, it's because I want to understand why people like it. No, scratch that....I want to understand why people think it is *the greatest thing ever*. After reading others in this thread, and elsewhere, and talking to people about it, I think I understand.
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02-17-08 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NiCK Crush
the more articles i read, the more i think No Country is going to take the Best Picture prize away from Blood...
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And... how hard is it to understand that people have different opinions? This goes for those that argue with such zealotry, either for:
Originally Posted by brizz
I don't think i've ever heard a more ridiculous statement in my life
You clearly enjoy being the guy that hates something everyone loves - the problem is you are hating on something that is truly great. TWBB isn't Crash. It's one of the most amazing pieces of cinema ever composed...And if you can't see what Plainview's character says about capitalism in this particular period, you just don't want to for the sake of being the guy who needs to laugh at the peons for not being as smart as him.
You clearly enjoy being the guy that hates something everyone loves - the problem is you are hating on something that is truly great. TWBB isn't Crash. It's one of the most amazing pieces of cinema ever composed...And if you can't see what Plainview's character says about capitalism in this particular period, you just don't want to for the sake of being the guy who needs to laugh at the peons for not being as smart as him.
Originally Posted by NIMH Rat
I can name at least 1,000 movies that, to me, have greater significance than "There Will Be Blood."
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02-17-08 | 04:05 PM
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I finally got to see it today, and I'm very indifferent about it. While I think everyone was exceptional, DDL of course, but I didn't think it had a very good ending (from 1927 on). It just felt tacked on. Or maybe the ending did nothing for me. I'm on the fence.
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02-17-08 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brent L
Be careful going down that road with talk like that. There are plenty of scenes where it's obvious that PTA is intentionally trying to inject this hardened drama with comedy, sometimes over the top comedy because of the two lead characters in Eli and DP.
The people you mentioned, yeah, if they were laughing all the way through it then something is up with that since they obviously didn't understand the movie and just refused to really understand it, but like I said, there is plenty of comedic moments in the film:
One of the greatest things about the film is how it walks a fine line of comedy and straight up hardcore drama. I can't remember the last time a film teetered back and forth over that line so perfectly. It's masterful really.
And for the record, yes, I agree with you that flicks like Meet the Spartans have indeed melted many a brain out there.
The people you mentioned, yeah, if they were laughing all the way through it then something is up with that since they obviously didn't understand the movie and just refused to really understand it, but like I said, there is plenty of comedic moments in the film:
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One of the greatest things about the film is how it walks a fine line of comedy and straight up hardcore drama. I can't remember the last time a film teetered back and forth over that line so perfectly. It's masterful really.
And for the record, yes, I agree with you that flicks like Meet the Spartans have indeed melted many a brain out there.
02-18-08 | 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by NiCK Crush
the more articles i read, the more i think No Country is going to take the Best Picture prize away from Blood...
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02-18-08 | 04:52 AM
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anybody catch Brandon Hardesty's re-enactment of the milkshake scene on Jimmy Kimmel last week?
for anyone who doesnt know about him, he has a whole series of re-enacted scenes from movies on YouTube. Kimmel saw them, contacted Brandon, and he is now doing a scene from each of the Best Picture noms this week and they are being featured on Kimmel's show.
Good for a laugh.
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for anyone who doesnt know about him, he has a whole series of re-enacted scenes from movies on YouTube. Kimmel saw them, contacted Brandon, and he is now doing a scene from each of the Best Picture noms this week and they are being featured on Kimmel's show.
Good for a laugh.
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02-18-08 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Brent L
Be careful going down that road with talk like that. There are plenty of scenes where it's obvious that PTA is intentionally trying to inject this hardened drama with comedy, sometimes over the top comedy because of the two lead characters in Eli and DP.
The people you mentioned, yeah, if they were laughing all the way through it then something is up with that since they obviously didn't understand the movie and just refused to really understand it, but like I said, there is plenty of comedic moments in the film:
The people you mentioned, yeah, if they were laughing all the way through it then something is up with that since they obviously didn't understand the movie and just refused to really understand it, but like I said, there is plenty of comedic moments in the film:
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02-19-08 | 01:13 AM
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I agree about the film balancing humor with drama. Another part I laughed at was...
It's funny when I read from critics all they talk about is how Plainview is the most unlikeable character to grace the silver screen. I honestly don't know what they're talking about. As soon as they pit Daniel up against crazy evangelical Eli Sunday I've chosen my side. I'm with him every step of the way. And in the last scene I was probably as much relieved as he was.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
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It's funny when I read from critics all they talk about is how Plainview is the most unlikeable character to grace the silver screen. I honestly don't know what they're talking about. As soon as they pit Daniel up against crazy evangelical Eli Sunday I've chosen my side. I'm with him every step of the way. And in the last scene I was probably as much relieved as he was.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
02-19-08 | 04:23 AM
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Caught it for a third time. Want to catch it maybe twice more before it goes out of our theatres here. NZ complexes aren't kind to weak box office numbers so I may only have a couple weeks or so more to see Elswit's vistas on the big screen.
02-19-08 | 04:38 AM
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I agree about the film balancing humor with drama. Another part I laughed at was...
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Agreed. DP had at all figured out early on.
Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
It's funny when I read from critics all they talk about is how Plainview is the most unlikeable character to grace the silver screen. I honestly don't know what they're talking about. As soon as they pit Daniel up against crazy evangelical Eli Sunday I've chosen my side. I'm with him every step of the way. And in the last scene I was probably as much relieved as he was.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
DP is not a "good guy" in the classical sense. But he is what he is and maybe it's easier for us to respect that. He doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is.
02-19-08 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
It's funny when I read from critics all they talk about is how Plainview is the most unlikeable character to grace the silver screen. I honestly don't know what they're talking about. As soon as they pit Daniel up against crazy evangelical Eli Sunday I've chosen my side. I'm with him every step of the way. And in the last scene I was probably as much relieved as he was.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
I certainly find DP more interesting than Eli, and liked him more in that manner, but I'd rather not have to chose a side to be on in that situation. They both have serious faults, in spite of having their charms.
I really likes that he didn't do many obvious things to make us judge either characters, it was all in their actions and he showed plenty of sides to both of them.
02-19-08 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
It's funny when I read from critics all they talk about is how Plainview is the most unlikeable character to grace the silver screen. I honestly don't know what they're talking about. As soon as they pit Daniel up against crazy evangelical Eli Sunday I've chosen my side. I'm with him every step of the way. And in the last scene I was probably as much relieved as he was.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
Maybe there's just something wrong with me but he could do no wrong in that film and everyone else were the villains.
02-19-08 | 10:39 AM
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The movie has finally opened in Albuquerque. We saw it Sunday. I liked it, but Mrs Danger is still ambivalent.
About the character of Daniel and the ending:
About the character of Eli and movies in general:
About the character of Daniel and the ending:
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About the character of Eli and movies in general:
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As an atheist, even I had a little faith walking out of the theater after Signs.