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FRwL 05-21-07 07:15 PM

Temple of Doom or Last Crusade
 
Temple for me.

The opening of Crusade had some guy who was not Ford, while Temple had Indy starting the movie as Humphrey Bogart meets James Bond and then the action never let up. Crusade wasn't horrible, but it tried to be too much like Raiders, and it makes jokes out of Brody and Sallah turning them into caricatures of the dignified men they were originally, at least Temple's humor was sarcasm, Crusade's felt forced. Also that hokey old knight at the end... blah, the whole thing felt too preachy. Temple is more tightly constructed compared to the meandering and tired Crusade. Though the screentime between Connery and Ford was good, i miss the more cynical Indy of the 1st two, Temple feels the most like the pulp serials they based it off. It has too many good scenes and that one scene where Indy knocks out the Thuggee and they show him standing there as the children's savior, the mine carts or bridge scene.

Greg MacGuffin 05-21-07 07:31 PM

Temple, definitely.

Crusade is fine, but I don't think it holds up as well. The last time I watched it, I found Connery to be kind of annoying.

GoldenJCJ 05-21-07 07:31 PM

I'm going for Last Crusade. Indy vs. Nazis beats Indy vs. Child Slave runners any day.

Temple of Doom:
pluses -
- Bridge fight
- Short Round
- Final Scene where Indy returns to the village
Spoiler:
with children close behind

negatives-
- Willie
- dinner scene
- ripping out of still beating heart
- No Nazis

Last Crusade:
Pluses-
- Nazis :up:
- revealing Indy's namesake and reason for fear of snakes
- Blimp ride and subsequent bi-plane ride
- Tank fight
- kept with religious artifact

Negatives-
- old knight at the end
- a bit too slapsticky in places
- Brody acts like a boob

jeffkjoe 05-21-07 07:37 PM

I like Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom more, by far.

Non-stop action.




I wonder how Indiana Jones and the City of Gods will stack up.

matome 05-21-07 07:42 PM

Last Crusade by far for me, though Temple gets points for it's kick ass arcade game that was better than the movie.

Apone 05-21-07 07:48 PM

Hmm...

The Temple of Doom
-Awesome bolt-action rifles.
-Awesome SFX.

The Last Crusade
-A Potato Masher and Mauser rifle combo' action.
-The pistol shot.

Erm... I think I will go with ToD because it had better SFX and more action.

JumpCutz 05-21-07 08:03 PM

Temple

I didn't care too much for 'The Last Crusade'.

Parcher 05-21-07 08:51 PM

Crusade, by a small margin.

Both VERY good movies!!!! Hard to pick :)

Connery rocks!

Lokimok 05-21-07 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by FRwL
and it makes jokes out of Brody and Sallah turning them into caricatures of the dignified men they were originally, at least Temple's humor was sarcasm, Crusade's felt forced.

I think this is right on. Brody is a completely different character. & I'll take it further & say they did the same thing to Indiana Jones. I don't know what it is about Movie #3. You would think that the actors would know their characters by then & be more comfortable, but they almost always end up turning them into cartoons.

Raiders is near perfect. It's the only Speilberg movie that I start-to-finish love.

Temple of Doom's got some problems, but I saw it young enough that I can sort of overlook them - & there's enough good stuff to make it worthwhile. I admit I've shut it off many times right after the raft down a hill scene...

Last Crusade is the only one I didn't see in a theater. When I did finally see it, it was worse than I expected. I don't think I liked a single thing about it. Anything that might've been cool, was a retread. I've never been a Bond fan & had no love for Connery, but when I heard he was cast, I was expecting a wilder character that Indy would barely be able to keep up. I don't know if that would've worked. It might've been just as lame as what we got: C-3PO. All humor is forced & unfunny. The direction seems to be: Mug, mug, mug. The father-son relationship doesn't work & Harrison's little boy act is embarrassing. As bad as or worse than Regarding Henry.

The FX in both sequels seem much worse than Raiders.

Anyone who likes Temple of Doom should check out Gunga Din sometime. I caught part of it recently & it felt very familiar.

RoboDad 05-21-07 09:14 PM

If Temple would have avoided the silly heart-ripping, then I probably would have voted for it. But that one element ruined the movie so much for me that it is easily my least favorite of the trilogy.

Rogue588 05-21-07 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by GoldenJCJ
Temple of Doom:
pluses -
- Bridge fight
- Short Round
- Final Scene where Indy returns to the village
Spoiler:
with children close behind

You the neglected to mention Indy's fight in the mine right after he says "Right. ALL OF US." Combined with Williams' awesome score, this is always one high point of the flick for me.

Mercury&Solace 05-21-07 09:26 PM

Crusade, but by a small margin.


Crusade wasn't horrible, but it tried to be too much like Raiders, and it makes jokes out of Brody and Sallah turning them into caricatures of the dignified men they were originally, at least Temple's humor was sarcasm, Crusade's felt forced.
This is one of the main reasons I didn't like Crusade as much as I should have. Making jokes of Sallah and Brody. The OP summed it up perfectly. They turned Sallah into a bumbling fool. I didn't like that in the movie other than that, all is good. I like the boat scene in Venice, the rats, the hot blonde Nazi girl :drool: the blimp ride and tanks in the desert. Though I agree with other posters the knight at the end was hokey.

ToD-Willie was annoying as hell, she can't even touch Marion. I liked Short Round and the thugges. The bridge scene kicked ass, but the movie slowed down a bit in the middle for me. The dinner scene was limp, but mine car fight/chase was cool.

Matt 05-21-07 09:30 PM

Temple of Doom. At least it tried to do something different. Crusade was just a shameless retread of the original.

Raiders bests both of them by a mile, though.

Mondo Kane 05-21-07 09:52 PM

Voted for Temple. Best-paced adventure of the trilogy.

jfoobar 05-21-07 10:05 PM

Crusade. Temple is BY FAR the weakest of the three. Connery annoying? Perhaps, but not half as annoying as Kate Capshaw's character in Temple. It also helps that Crusade as the lovely Alison Doody in it:

http://www.beyondhollywood.com/galle...on-doody-0.jpg

To be honest, I am not a huge fan of either sequel. While I own the boxed set, I only ever rewatch the original.

TheMadMonk 05-21-07 10:08 PM

Holy Grail > Rocks with scratches on them.

EdTheRipper 05-21-07 10:10 PM

Last Crusade.

PopcornTreeCt 05-21-07 10:22 PM

Last Crusade doesn't suck as much as Temple. --That's my assessment.

Jackskeleton 05-21-07 10:45 PM

I watched Temple of doom a lot more when I was a kid but hands down to Last Crusade

cranberries fan 05-21-07 11:15 PM

I love them both to much to pick one over the other,but if I had to pick it would be Crusade and John's score are top form for both.

Boondock Saint 05-21-07 11:19 PM

Last Crusade. My favorite. My friends and I know almost every line from this movie. But I love'em all.

bunkaroo 05-21-07 11:25 PM

ToD is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, and it's still better than 99% of the crap action films turned out by Hollywood. Still Kate Capshaw is pretty frickin' annoying.

LC is just a much stronger film, and comes close to recapturing the magic of the first.

GoldenJCJ 05-21-07 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
You the neglected to mention Indy's fight in the mine right after he says "Right. ALL OF US." Combined with Williams' awesome score, this is always one high point of the flick for me.

Yeah. I also forgot to mention Indy's "Water, water, water!, water!..." line. Classic!

mndtrp 05-22-07 04:01 AM

That whiney, annoying bitch ruined Temple of Doom for me. Simply because of her, that is my least favorite of the three.

Mr. Cinema 05-22-07 07:01 AM

Temple of Doom for me.


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