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Is there anyone out there capable of translating this sentence into English? I've read it a half dozen times and can't make heads or tails of it.

Her scene on the Daily Planet rooftop was convincing [end sentence] At no point were any of her ["lines not convincing, and" or "other lines as convincing, but"] I had no trouble seeing her as the iconic Lois Lane.

? Heh heh.

Nah, for me it was her big forehead, thin body type, and flat ass.

:lol:

re: the Valey's article link...I don't see how this would be causing a snag for a sequel. It didn't mention anything about an injunction for the production. If WB's intent is not to produce the movie so that they wouldn't have to pay out from profits - perhaps your assumption? - then I understand your point.

Sorry. That's what happens when you try to post a quick two cents-worth while at work.

Yes, I'm sure most posters here at DVD Talk have had better.

Anybody else read this?

Millar Has Director & Producer for Superman Revamp?

Yeah I saw this on another site, i cant find the article now, but it had a little more info on it. Basically Millar goes from saying he has a director, funding, release date, catering, and everything in between, to the next day saying he doesnt have shit.

Also im not sure how he does the math of Superman Returns loosing $200 million. Budget of $270 million, with a worldwide gross of $390+ million

And Civil War still sucks ;)

Yes, I read this. And my response? For fuck sake stick with Singer. We don't need a Superman reinvention. Singer already promised us Superman would be bigger and badder in his next film. Give the guy a chance. Under a new director, I'm sure they'll get another actor. To me, Routh is Superman. Let's not turn this into Batman.

Hell no. He had his chance, and he completely choked. He did to Superman what Ang Lee did to Hulk--took all the fun out and treated it WAY too seriously.

I'm looking at Singer's track record. He certainly didn't take the fun out of the X-Men. And he can do it again with another Superman film.

Give Singer a Chance! ;)

I move for two Superman movies... let them come out the same time (like Antz/A Bug's Life and Volcano/Dante's Peak).

Let them duke it out in the B.O.!

;)

I hated Singer's X-Men films. I thought his Superman was better though, minus Superkid.

I hope this comes to fruition. Singer absolutely laid an egg. Feel sorry for Routh though, not his fault. He didn't cast or direct or whatever to the movie.

Agreed on all counts.

I also understand that the Daily Record is about as trustworthy and credible as the National Enquirer.

Routh has potential as Superman, but Singer has to go. He is way too obsessed with Donner's universe, that he can't go on and make his own thing. I really can't think of one thing about Superman Returns that makes me believe Singer is on the right track. He turned Superman into a stalker and home wrecker. He doesn't understand that Lex Luthor has been reinvented as a modern business tyrant. He wasted the potential of the great Kevin Spacey, he totally screwed the casting of Lois Lane. It's just one thing after another.

It hurts me to say all that. I loved Returns when I saw it at a midnight showing, but after the excitement of seeing Superman on the big screen wore off, I noticed all the flaws. I can't even sit and watch it at home, due to massive missteps that Singer took.

With that said, what I really don't understand is why Miller he needs to "reinvent" Superman. Honestly, if you just take out the camp factor, find a good actor and give Superman villains that actually pose a threat, you can have a great film. You don't need to make a drastic change to the character.
I think one of my favorite scenes of all the Superman movies is in Superman 3 when Clark is at the farm and talking about how he refuses to sell it. He's not dorky. He's just a guy holding on to the few things that make him "human". We need more scenes like that in the next Superman movie. Scenes when he is Clark, that we see him struggle to fit in and then scenes when he is Superman, show his power and his responsibilities. That isn't reinventing a character. It's being truthful to the current source material. What ever director this franchise gets, it needs to be a director that looks at modern comics and can see how the character hasn't been reinvented, but instead has evolved.

Well I guess I'm in the minority here. I absolutely loved "Superman Returns". Everything about it. Do I want the second one to have the same tone? No. I think Singer did what he felt was best to reintroduce movie goers to Superman after so many years. It was a seamless transition from the other movies. His film was not only an homage to Donner's Superman, it was a valentine. And he was very passionate about his work. Singer is an excellent and talented director. Let's give the guy a chance to please everyone with another film.

The only reason I'd even want to see Singer stick with it is because he's done better with a sequel to a hit film before. X2 is better than X-Men, so I'm hoping he follows that pattern and makes a kick ass Supes 2. I liked Routh, so no complaints there. They just REALLY need to shake things up. No more stalker Supes, real villains, a sense of danger and no super kid are all needed to make this work. Give us Doomsday for christsakes!

I've seen Superman Returns 3 times now and I still like it a lot. Blaphemous or not, I prefer it to the earlier ones, especially (obviously?) III and IV. Hell, I don't even mind "Superkid" or whatever the hell y'all are calling him. I think it's a great theme that's worth exploring to some degree in a future installment. I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm definitely more likely to pop that one in my DVD player than any of the Christopher Reeve ones.

I'm probably crazy.

K

And therein lies the problem. You can respect the material, just don't worship it.

What do Deep Impact and Dante's Peak have in common?

Deep Impact was more like the movie with Bruce Willis and Dant'es Peak was similiar to Volcano.

To truly do Superman justice, the budget needs to be raised a considerable amount. I mean, we need something along the lines of Darkseid coming to earth to dominate. Some massive CGI creation. Human villains just aren't that interesting.

Singer made the film equivilent of a Deluxe Hardcover Graphic Novel that is filled with page after page of a hot young artist panel swiping Jack Kirby, while adding computer airbrush coloring (with plenty of realistic lens flares sitting on top of boldly stylized line work). Mankiewicz should have gotten a screen credit for Pete's sake. The only original ideas Singer brought to the property were so wildly out of place (and character) that it is clear as the crystals in the fortress that he is the wrong man for the job. He is at a loss with this character which is why we got scene after scene, dialogue passage after dialogue passage, that was lifted from the work and vision of someone else.
And not even lifted well. Do we really need to hear a voice over by Jor-el as he flies away after stealing a peek at Lois's domestic bliss? But the voice-over doesn't end with the anvil on the head reminder that "even though you've been raised as a human, you're not one of them" (obviously this is a point Singer feels he didn't get across with the visual of Superman on the outside looking in- so he needs to bold face it, then underline it and then add !!!! for the slower members of the audience). But then the lines from the first film go on...and on-so that now Singer can seguae into reminding us (again) of Superman's Christ-like parallels.
All the emotional and thematic underscoring here is courtesy of the work of a whole 'nother group of filmmakers . What did Singer add to this? How much of this sequence is Singers vision of the character versus Donner/Mankiewicz's?

All that awesome advanced technology and a huge budget and studio goodwill at his disposal and what he uses it for is to continually re-stage beats, ideas, and character interaction from a film that most of us consider a classic..
This movie was heart breaking because of the huge potential that was squandered.

I'm sorry, but it is too late for the Superman franchise to excite anyone now that we have Hancock.