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Old 10-08-06 | 02:01 PM
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Very good movie, I give it a B. Much funnier than Infernal Affairs (A-) but less depth. I felt the Damon character wasn't developed well at all. No struggle between good and evil like Andy Lau had.
Old 10-08-06 | 02:17 PM
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Why compare it to Infernal Affairs? Because that's what we do. When a re-make comes out, its invariably compared to the original. Should we forgo that just because its Scorcese?

I loved IA - and going in I thought that perhaps my love of IA would hinder my enjoyment of this movie. I certainly didn't have the shock that most of the audience did when certain things happened - but I was drawn into the story, situation, and characters and enjoyed the movie.

After I finished watching the movies, yes I compared, just like when I saw The Ring, or City of Angels, or Vanilla Sky. There were things I liked better in IA, so what, it doesn't make The Departed worse, just different.
Old 10-08-06 | 02:50 PM
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Nice to see the movie opened decent ($27 million, about the same as Inside Man, another well reviewed rated R drama from Spring, though my theater was barely as full as Inside Man, but then again with so many screens showing it finding any full theater is a challenge nowadays, unless it's Pirates of the Caribbean.), I hope it can keep its momentum, though I am sure not many people want to see a big emotional downer film for the most part.

Also, what is up with Scorsese's use of Gimme Shelter? It seems like if it's a movie of his set in modern times he has to use it at some point. Getting a bit old.
Old 10-08-06 | 02:57 PM
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I really enjoyed the movie, but I would rate it closer to really good than great. I am not a huge Scorcese fan, but I really like Goodfellas and Casino, and this doesn't rank quite as high as those. It feels like the ol' maestro is just playing ball for modern movie audiences with this one (which The Aviator and maybe even Casino would be guilty of), while flicks like Goodfellas and Taxi Driver were just him doing his thang.

A few comments and nitpicks ...

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I didn't think it was as squeamishly violent as Scorcese's other gangster works, which was probably a good thing in my mind. The comic moments were well done, especially with Baldwin. Although Marky Mark was very good, it seemed that every line from him had to be snappy and/or wisecracking, which became a bit of a distraction. Obviously, this is all pretty nitpicky stuff, but all affects the final product.

As others have pointed out, the use of cell phones may have had a few inconsistent moments (ringing of phone while Leo tags Damon in alley), and the movie may have leaned on this device (cell as plot mover) too much. You would think other side characters (all growing more and more suspicious of own allies as movie continues) would be keeping a closer eye on every little move of their own associates ... especially ones who are fiddling with their cells and receiving calls/text messages from who knows where!

And my last, very personal caveat (which probably spurred my "modern movie audiences" comment above) ...
While the twists were unexpected and well-executed (at least to me), every time I watch these movies with the curveball endings, I immediately think that the replay potential diminishes. The Sixth Sense Dilemma, if you will. I almost wish the twists in The Departed weren't so relevant to the plot, or that the ending as a whole was a bit more conventional (not in that hack way, but in a good way ).

Besides all my little gripes though, I enjoyed The Departed and thought all of the performances were stellar. Not being a Scorcese lover, I still found some of his other works to be a bit more "Scorcese."
Old 10-08-06 | 04:55 PM
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I loved this movie, thought it was great...I do not think its quite as good as IA just because I dont like the fact that The Departed had to spell out everything that is inferred in IA and I thought IA did a better job with the early police academy footage. I thought Alec Baldwin was great and actually dug Leo's performance. Easily my fav film of the year so far and so glad this is a WB film so I can pick it up on HD day and date hopefully.
Old 10-08-06 | 07:11 PM
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Loved the movie, does anyone know the name of the song of the old school Irish song that had a rock remix to it, it was played in the beginning of the movie when the title appeared and later when they were driving in the car near the end?
Old 10-08-06 | 07:37 PM
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Loved the movie, does anyone know the name of the song of the old school Irish song that had a rock remix to it, it was played in the beginning of the movie when the title appeared and later when they were driving in the car near the end?
"I'm Shipping Up To Boston"
Performed by Dropkick Murphys
Old 10-08-06 | 08:03 PM
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"I'm Shipping Up To Boston"
Performed by Dropkick Murphys
Great tune!
Old 10-08-06 | 08:28 PM
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Excellent movie. One of those times when I could have stayed in the theater to watch the next showing if I had the time. I thought the acting was exceptional.

Only one very minor complaint though.
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The whole thing with DiCaprio giving the shrink the envelope to be opened after he died, in two weeks, etc. I don't need everything tied up in a bow necessarily, but it would have been nice if we had a clue what was in it, if she opened it, etc. It seemed like whatever was in it was likely information about Matt Damon's true identity that was given to Mark Wahlberg and lead to Matt Damon's death, but we'll never know for sure. They should have either made that clearer or just let Matt Damon get away with it and not brought up the envelope thing IMO. That being said, I LOVED the movie


About the use of Gimme Shelter. Who cares? Its a great song. He can use it as much as he wants because I never get tired of hearing it.
Old 10-08-06 | 08:31 PM
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Excellent movie. One of those times when I could have stayed in the theater to watch the next showing if I had the time.
Same here. I can't recall the last time I walked out of the theater being as pleased with a movie as I was with this one.
Old 10-09-06 | 01:25 AM
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I loved this movie, although there was one element that didn't ring true for me: the Madolyn character. I've never seen IA so I don't know if this was carried over from that film or if this was Scorcese's invention, but the idea that she was separately involved in both DiCaprio and Damon's lives, especially
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to the degree that she's engaged to Damon and screwing DiCaprio,
was just way too coincidental and implausible for me. I suppose there's a sort of irony to the idea, but come on.
Old 10-09-06 | 07:39 AM
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Same here. I can't recall the last time I walked out of the theater being as pleased with a movie as I was with this one.
Same here also. LOVED this film
Old 10-09-06 | 08:18 AM
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What an incredible movie. This is one that stays with you long after it is over. There was not one bad performance and the dialogue was so crisp and riveting. I remember just focusing on everyone speaking and interacting.

This was the first movie that I know of that I thought the script played the biggest role. I never focused on it before but this time is just had me glued- every character, every word uttered. It was so much more about words for me than anything else. I think that is what bolstered such stellar performances from each and every character.

I honestly think that every character gave the performance of their lives. Forget about what they won the Oscar's for- Jack, Leo, Matt, Mark, Alec will have a very tough time eclipsing their performances in this movie.

Scorcese should be nominated and win for Best Director. Hands down. I don't care what comes out of the pipe from now until Dec. 31....he is the winner and it is long overdue. But, forget the sentimental vote- he should win for the skill he brought to this movie and evoking the performances he did out of this wonderful cast. This is what directing is all about.

You start with the screenplay, have the performers and direct the hell out of it all.

This will go down as a Scorcese masterpiece Period!
Old 10-09-06 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RoyalTea
"I'm Shipping Up To Boston"
Performed by Dropkick Murphys
That's actually a Woody Guthrie song. It's on the Dropkick Murphy's newest, The Warrior Code.
Old 10-09-06 | 09:26 AM
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Like everyone, I loved this movie. We see crap most of the year and then when something really good comes out, it hits you like a ton of bricks.

I went to a matinee and saw a couple of old folks leave. Hmm, wonder why? I guess they went because of the marquee names. Should have realized that this is the guy who made GoodFellas.

Also, now that I think about it...anybody remember when Damon was in Police School and the lesson for the day was what a bullet does when it enters the head. Nice foreshadowing.

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Old 10-09-06 | 10:00 AM
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I only saw the first IA. Did this take scenes from IA 2 and 3?
Old 10-09-06 | 10:07 AM
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Great film, and a great time at the theater. I'm not a huge fan of Scorsese's work as a whole, but I thoroughly enjoyed The Departed. The dialogue was exquisite, the pacing was fantastic, just about every single performance was genuine and expertly crafted - especially Jack's mob boss Costello. There was an air of humor and believable psychoses that really rang through in his performance. I didn't think the violence was THAT brutal either. Sure, there was a few hardcore scenes, but nothing major. Oh, and the cinematography and score were also very well done. Like others have said, I left the theater thoroughly twisted, breathless, and pleased.

My only gripe came within the last 30 seconds of the film (Do NOT read the SPOILER if you haven't seen the film) ...

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Personally, I think it would have been fitting for Sullivan to survive amidst that fear of exposure for the remainder of his life.

I was hoping the film was going to end with the psychiatrist walking away from Sullivan directly after the funeral (at this point, I'm thinking "Wow, fantastic ending. Best Film of Year material"). As she's walking away, I was left with lots of unanswered questions that would have been GREAT left unanswered ("Whoa, will she expose him?", "Will another member of the force discover the truth?", "Is the baby HIS?", "What really IS is the envelope?"). Then, once I saw Sullivan easily bite it and escape that dread at the end, all of those points lost their weight for me.

Up until the climax, the film was a borderline A / A- for me. With the conclusion, I'll give it a strong B+.
Old 10-09-06 | 10:53 AM
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I enjoyed the hell out of it. I don't think I need to pick which film I like more... I liked Infernal Affairs and The Departed about equal - each for different reasons.

To add to some nitpickings - the Boston accents started to wear on me, every once in a while I could just tell one of the actors had to emphasize the last word in their sentence with a bit more Bostonian.

Also a thing that bugged me in Infernal Affairs, and The Departed -

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It should be so obvious to the criminals that Decaprio is the rat. There are some movie reasons why they don't think so, re-breaking his arm, he arrives at the empty building, etc. But there are just too few gangsters, and they continue to trust him. I remember thinking the same thing about Infernal Affairs. After a while it became a bit frustrating.
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I don't like to form opinions right after I see a film because so much can change within the space of a week, let alone a few months--but I can't stand reading all this endless praise without any rationality. It's funny however that you guys are no different than the critics on rotten tomatoes-- they write better, but I get the same general impression
I'm not quite sure what you want us to say. Not everyone wants to write a 2 page review about it. Do I really need to have some great rational on why I like or dislike a movie? I just love this movie, bottom line. Don't rag on us because we really like this movie. Sure, most of us our bias because we already love Scorsese, but I could imagine myself watching this 5-10 years from now and still being blown away by it.

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Old 10-09-06 | 11:25 AM
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Loved it too...great thread here...I especially agree with Bobby Shalom's hidden spoiler as that was the one thing that bothered me as well.

Amazing film. Not better than IA but very very close.
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Another aspect I liked about this movie was the use of Cell Phones. They were almost like a character in the movie.

They are so prevalent in our society today and I'm glad that Scorsese didn't look over this fact. Half of the things that happened in this movie wouldn't and couldn't have without the use of cell phones.

Any other opinions on this?

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I have no bias, for the record; I own more scorsese films than any other director excluding hitch
I don't understand the Gangs of New York exercise. That movie to me always seemed like one of those great stylistic exercises ("Look at those top hats!"). Gangs of New York really didn't have much depth to it.
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Another aspect I liked about this movie was the use of Cell Phones. They were almost like a character in the movie.

They are so prevalent in our society today and I'm glad that Scorsese didn't look over this fact. Half of the things that happened in this movie wouldn't and couldn't have without the use of cell phones.

Any other opinions on this?

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And never a 555 number I noticed.

They all used sanyos by the way... Sprint represent
Old 10-09-06 | 02:35 PM
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And never a 555 number I noticed.

They all used sanyos by the way... Sprint represent
And they used the proper area code for Boston.
Old 10-09-06 | 03:00 PM
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Just because a film is good entertainment doesn't make it a masterpiece. I think this one might fall into the category of Gangs of New York-- great theater experience, talent on display in every area, but time proves it to be hollow. What was the point of that film again? To document the real gangs of new york? I hope not.
The Departed feels like it retreads too much of it-- DiCaprio is under the wing of another vicious mob boss, whom he really wants to kill. The cranberry juice barfight scene is almost no different than the barfight scene in Gangs. DiCaprio once again is a lost, angst-ridden youth who comes to serve freedom. You could make comparisons all over the place but that's not what matters-- it seems as if Scorsese isn't entering any new territory and as a result this is a film he could coast with because there's so much familiar material. A smart, witty script, set in Boston, gangsters vs. cops featuring a prime cast, is there anything that could be more comfortable to work with? Is there any doubt that this wouldn't be entertaining? The film's still sinking in but I think already it has more substance than Gangs, but not Aviator, which I think was more of a step in the right direction even though I have a distaste for biopics.

I don't like to form opinions right after I see a film because so much can change within the space of a week, let alone a few months--but I can't stand reading all this endless praise without any rationality. It's funny however that you guys are no different than the critics on rotten tomatoes-- they write better, but I get the same general impression
You say you're irritated by the overly positive reception the film is getting, but your first two paragraphs make it sound like the thing that's really bothering you is Scorsese getting praise. I think there could be some interesting debate on how much credit he personally deserves, but I don't think people loving the film is that hard to understand, mainly for the two bits I bolded in your post. The whole time I watched the movie, I was continually drawn in by the dialog. I'd say it was easily my favorite script from a movie in 2006. Add in the great performances and it's not hard to see why people are talking so highly about the movie.

The only thing that didn't work for me was the giant coincidence of both guys getting the same girl, in one way or another. Other than that, I felt like the movie and its characters were perfectly true to the universe it created, which seems to be kind of rare these days.


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