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Old 11-28-06 | 11:34 PM
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He's always been cruel and vicious. The only real difference is they decided to repeatedly get him bloodied-up this time.
Old 11-29-06 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by areacode212
Did anyone else catch Richard Branson's cameo at the airport?
I thought that was Branson. Security checkpoint on the right side of the screen for about half a second?

BTW, great flick. I loved the first three Bond films and then steadily nurtured a growing hatred for the growing absurdity of each successive film. By the time Bond was driving a modified rocket car inside an ice castle being melted by a laser(?), I was in desperate need of Jason Bourne.

Well, hallelujah for Daniel Craig and a re-energized, HUMAN Bond. I can't wait to see what they come up with next.
Old 11-29-06 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by das Monkey
much lik Mathis's annoying commentary to Vesper during the poker game.
That was great stuff, wasn't it? They go out of their way to show us she's a smart, independent, educated financier who can match wits with James Bond and then they turn around and make her a selective idiot so they can explain the basics of wagering to the audience.
Old 11-29-06 | 07:10 AM
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I don't know, just because she's a successful independant woman, dosen't mean she should know everything. I'd be more disapointed if she did know it all (and I don't mean that from and "so the audicance can find out" viewpoint).

Get pissed off when somebody other than Bond has a flaw - not fully understanding gambling...?
Old 11-29-06 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by slothroplt
I thought that was Branson. Security checkpoint on the right side of the screen for about half a second?
Yep that's him. My friend I went with shouted out "Richard Branson!" in the theater. It was a bit awkward.
Old 11-29-06 | 08:51 AM
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This may have been mentioned as well, but did anyone get a Don't Look Now vibe when Bond was chasing the woman in the red coat through the streets?
Old 11-29-06 | 09:21 AM
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I don't know, just because she's a successful independant woman, dosen't mean she should know everything. I'd be more disapointed if she did know it all (and I don't mean that from and "so the audicance can find out" viewpoint).

Get pissed off when somebody other than Bond has a flaw - not fully understanding gambling...?
I can certainly see your point but Mathis was merely telling Vesper (and the audience) how much was in the pot. I'm guessing she would know the value of the chips after the first five minutes of watching and she would have learned how to add in primary school.

No big, though. It wasn't a killer for me. I still enjoyed the movie. Just not that.

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Old 11-29-06 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by slothroplt
I can certainly see your point but Mathis was merely telling Vesper (and the audience) how much was in the pot. I'm guessing she would know the value of the chips after the first five minutes of watching and she would have learned how to add in primary school.

No big, though. It wasn't a killer for me. I still enjoyed the movie. Just not that.

True. I suppose that conversation/exchange didn't really stick out to me though.

I thought the poker game added to the movie, but it may have been on the long side. However, I think I would have felt cheated if it was the "inside the building" part from MI:III that you never see while they are in Tokyo. I WANTED to see what happened.
Old 12-03-06 | 12:51 AM
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Yep that's him. My friend I went with shouted out "Richard Branson!" in the theater. It was a bit awkward.
Or Alessandra Ambrosio at the Ocean Club.
Old 12-04-06 | 06:07 PM
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I thought I saw Richard Branson also...but thought, that was way to quick for a cameo!! I guess it was him afterall.
Old 12-04-06 | 06:58 PM
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So, I got around to watching this movie over the weekend, and like others, I was highly impressed. I really liked the direction that the series has gone, turning away from more of the basic plot, cheesy over the top special effects. Needless to say, I am anxiously awaiting the next installment.

Some things did leave me wondering though:
Spoiler:
First, who exactly was Vesper working for? I got the impression that she did fall for Bond when she removed the necklace that had been holding onto the past. Her boyfriend was being held captive, but by which group? There was mention made about her having saved Bond's life, but what kept her from being saved at the end? This was all very confusing.

Also, Bond was under the impression that Mathis was the informant to LeChiffre because of the bluff comment. But couldn't Vesper had been the one to have told him. When Vesper gets the supposed call from Mathis, couldn't this had been LeChiffre? Much is made to believe Mathis' guilt, but I don't know if that guilt is correctly placed or if we are just supposed to believe it.

Lastly, on the phone was White's number. Who sent it?
Old 12-04-06 | 07:38 PM
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So, I got around to watching this movie over the weekend, and like others, I was highly impressed. I really liked the direction that the series has gone, turning away from more of the basic plot, cheesy over the top special effects. Needless to say, I am anxiously awaiting the next installment.

Some things did leave me wondering though:
Spoiler:
First, who exactly was Vesper working for? I got the impression that she did fall for Bond when she removed the necklace that had been holding onto the past. Her boyfriend was being held captive, but by which group? There was mention made about her having saved Bond's life, but what kept her from being saved at the end? This was all very confusing.

Also, Bond was under the impression that Mathis was the informant to LeChiffre because of the bluff comment. But couldn't Vesper had been the one to have told him. When Vesper gets the supposed call from Mathis, couldn't this had been LeChiffre? Much is made to believe Mathis' guilt, but I don't know if that guilt is correctly placed or if we are just supposed to believe it.

Lastly, on the phone was White's number. Who sent it?
Spoiler:
Vesper worked for the british, officially. Hard to say when she began working for the shadowy organization in the background. Did they kidnap her boyfriend out of the gate as insurance in case Bond won or after Bond won? Anybody could have beat Le Chiffre so maybe it happened after Bond won. I do believe she was in on the capture of Bond and was faking being tortured in the other room. I also believe the hospital where Bond was recovering was a SPECTRE(or whoever) facility. Mathis is at the faclity so he definately was a bad guy.
Le Chiffre was an underling of this bigger organization(like Largo in Thunderball). The guys Bond fights at the end in the collapsing building work for this organization, Le Chiffre is kaput and out of the picture by then. LeChiffre was probably killed either because of his planning to go for the protection for info offer or just out of principal because the organization doesn't tolerate failure.
As for Vesper's suicide. I think it was because she couldn't live with the fact that Bond knew she had betrayed him. I understood it that White called Vesper in the hotel room and Bond got his number off her phone.
There are a lot of things about the movie you think about later and wish you had the dvd to go back and check out.
Old 12-05-06 | 04:06 PM
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Craig wants a gay Bond

Daniel Craig has revealed that he is pressurising producers to include a gay scene in the next James Bond film.

The 'Casino Royale' star is riding a wave of popularity following the success of his first turn as the legendary superspy and is intent on revolutionising the franchise by making its lead character more unpredictable.

In addition to pushing for a gay scene in 'Bond 22', the British thesp has assured bosses that he is more than prepared to do a full frontal nude scene to please his male and female admirers.

He said: "Why not? I think in this day and age, fans would have accepted it.

"I mean, look at (British TV series) 'Doctor Who' - that has had gay scenes in it and no one blinks an eye."
I can think of at least one forum member who will get behind this.
Old 12-05-06 | 04:49 PM
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won't most Bond fans be outraged if he has gay scenes? i mean, unless it's a threesome... Doesn't it sort of go against his whole image? He's a ladies man. Plain and simple.
Old 12-05-06 | 06:25 PM
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Old 12-05-06 | 06:52 PM
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That sounds like some cheeky English humor more than anything else.
Old 12-05-06 | 10:37 PM
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I could see a gay Bond scene. Wouldn't be too hard to work in (gigity gigity gigity). Maybe a homosexual villian or sub-villian who Bond needs info from? I could see it ending violently before they go really far.

As for Casino Royale... Saw it with my dad. He's been seeing Bond movies in the theaters since the 60's. So he likes just about any of them - and liked this one.

Me? I thought it was fantastic. Martin Campbell has made two now - the only two that I've watched and find tolerable. Not only tolerable, but very well rounded action movies.

I really appreciated the coldness that Bond showed. I don't think I've seen it accentuated before. It helps flesh out his character. It'll probably make the old ones a bit better.

The action was enjoyable. The lower key scenes were tense. WHY? Because action sequences are dull if they lack a backstory with some sort of emotion to grab onto. It's what drives Lethal Weapon movies, Michael Bay movies, and even older Steven Segal movies.
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Originally Posted by rw2516
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Vesper worked for the british, officially. Hard to say when she began working for the shadowy organization in the background. Did they kidnap her boyfriend out of the gate as insurance in case Bond won or after Bond won? Anybody could have beat Le Chiffre so maybe it happened after Bond won. I do believe she was in on the capture of Bond and was faking being tortured in the other room. I also believe the hospital where Bond was recovering was a SPECTRE(or whoever) facility. Mathis is at the faclity so he definately was a bad guy.
Le Chiffre was an underling of this bigger organization(like Largo in Thunderball). The guys Bond fights at the end in the collapsing building work for this organization, Le Chiffre is kaput and out of the picture by then. LeChiffre was probably killed either because of his planning to go for the protection for info offer or just out of principal because the organization doesn't tolerate failure.
As for Vesper's suicide. I think it was because she couldn't live with the fact that Bond knew she had betrayed him. I understood it that White called Vesper in the hotel room and Bond got his number off her phone.
There are a lot of things about the movie you think about later and wish you had the dvd to go back and check out.
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I had the same questions about Vesper. At one point did she start having her own agenda? I'm sure she was legit at some point, but at what particular point was her boyfriend kidnapped? It would only make sense that her boyfriend was captured after Bond won the money. Otherwise, what would she really have to offer to anybody?
I never thought about the hospital being a SPECTRE facility, but that would make sense. Of course, that is where her character does a 360 from "tolerating" Bond to being in love with him. This may have had to do with her now having to get the money to release said boyfriend. But his feelings towards her may have actually won her over, but she still had to take care of the money aspect.
I wish that there was more development with Vesper's character. I believe that may have given us more understanding as to why she would rather die than have Bond rescue her. Of course, maybe her past had a number of misfortunes, and she'd rather die with the positive memories of Bond that have negative ones. I'm probably overthinking her death, but it certainly isn't normal for someone to drown themselves, right?

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Originally Posted by spankyj
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I had the same questions about Vesper. At one point did she start having her own agenda? I'm sure she was legit at some point, but at what particular point was her boyfriend kidnapped? It would only make sense that her boyfriend was captured after Bond won the money. Otherwise, what would she really have to offer to anybody?
I never thought about the hospital being a SPECTRE facility, but that would make sense. Of course, that is where her character does a 360 from "tolerating" Bond to being in love with him. This may have had to do with her now having to get the money to release said boyfriend. But his feelings towards her may have actually won her over, but she still had to take care of the money aspect.
I wish that there was more development with Vesper's character. I believe that may have given us more understanding as to why she would rather die than have Bond rescue her. Of course, maybe her past had a number of misfortunes, and she'd rather die with the positive memories of Bond that have negative ones. I'm probably overthinking her death, but it certainly isn't normal for someone to drown themselves, right?
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What leads me to believe the hospital is run by the villians is Bond seems to be out of contact with M/London. To much shady stuff happens there for me to think it could happen under the nose of the British. I'd have to see it again but pretty sure the two guys who tok out Mathis were bad guys and waited until Mathis was out of Bond's sight to get him so Bond wouldn't see it.
Old 12-06-06 | 01:29 PM
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I can think of at least one forum member who will get behind this.


but I've already seen Daniel Craig's full frontal scene in another film of his...
Old 12-06-06 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rw2516
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What leads me to believe the hospital is run by the villians is Bond seems to be out of contact with M/London. To much shady stuff happens there for me to think it could happen under the nose of the British. I'd have to see it again but pretty sure the two guys who tok out Mathis were bad guys and waited until Mathis was out of Bond's sight to get him so Bond wouldn't see it.
That theory doesn't work for one reason.
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M asks Bond of he thinks Mathis should be released after Vesper is dead. This implies that MI6 did indeed have Mathis in custody.
Old 12-08-06 | 03:24 PM
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While I have no problem with a gay scene, I think it does somewhat contradict what the character is all about. I am not sure how they could write this into a film, and it is interesting that he is so up for it.
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While I have no problem with a gay scene, I think it does somewhat contradict what the character is all about. I am not sure how they could write this into a film, and it is interesting that he is so up for it.
i can see Bond doing it for the sake of the mission.
Old 12-08-06 | 06:50 PM
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i can see Bond doing it for the sake of the mission.
On His Majesty's "Secret Service", if you know what I mean, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.
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I was most definitely impressed, as was my father. ****1/2 out of *****.

Great job of casting. Very happy to see that they kept the high-tech stuff to a minimum for the most part.


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