Wait...weren't you talking about the way the original handled Mike stalking Laurie..? I confused myself..

No, I think he was referring to the remake, because he mentioned how they'd react to seeing a 7 foot tall person in a mask. In the original Michael was just a normal sized adult.

Oh no, sorry I think I worded it confusingly. The spoiler I posted was referring to the "remake" but my initial question was asking if it was handled that section was handled as poorly in the original.

But you did make a good point about the time period of the original I wasn't taking into account. I guess it just highlights for me how stupid that section was in the remake.

This entire film is like a Saturday Night Live skit of the original.

So ridiculous and over the top. Acting so painfully awful to watch. Dialogue that makes me cringe, its so friggin bad. Pacing - Horrible.

If this didn't have Rob Zombie's name on it, honestly, this screenplay would be tossed out the window by a studio exec. Its complete garbage.


Yes, the cinematography was nice. Thats a plus.

I just kill threads with my in your face interface and my street wise keeping it real attitude! Ooooh yeah!

Caught the "Workprint" that was leaked online. Surprisingly, I found this to be a better cut of the film.

Michael's stalking is there, the ending is better, the street chase is better intact (why was this cut?), Myers following Laurie home from school (explaining how he knows where she lives), Myers approaching Laurie's father, the sundown in the graveyard scene (nicely shot), etc.

Funny thing is that Zombie's best shots aren't in the theatrical cut. That's gotta suck.

The rape was best left out... Past that, they tossed some good scenes.

Generally, I felt that it feels more like a "Halloween" movie than the one at the theater does.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with studios. Ugh! Another case of "Halloween" tampering... Shades of "Halloween 6" enter my mind.

The film still has many problems, but there was some good stuff in here amongst a troubled film.

Other than the rape scene, the workprint version was a lot better. It had a more steamlined feel, not to mention a lot of the stalking that the theatrical version left out.

Now one has to wonder - was the reshoot the studio's choice or did Zombie want to reshoot? I have to say, I somewhat enjoyed the workprint version, while it wasn't perfect, it did show that Zombie had a general idea of where he wanted to go with the film, where as the theatrical version was just a jumbled mess.

Not too sure why the tossed Bob's original death to give us an exact duplicate from the original film?

Bob's death in the workprint feels less forced and "ha ha, look at me showy" than the one in the theatrical cut.

Definately idiotic tossing the street chase with all the exterior shots. That was just dumb imo.

I have not seen the workprint yet but I almost fell out of my chair when I read about this "rape scene" on here. Thank God it was cut! This type of scene has no business in a Halloween film. Michael is supposed to embody pure evil, and a rape scene would humanize him a bit too much IMO.

An interesting thing that I caught was that while Zombie showed that Michael's childhood was terrible, his progression at the institute over a long timeline is where he gradually lost what was left of his humanity. He went in a severely troubled child and came out a complete monster.

Also, tampering is a kind way of describing what happened to H6!

Michael does not commit the rape nor is he the victim. This is what happens. One of the redneck security guards at the institute brings in one of his hick mates so they can both rape a female inpatient. Not unlike Kill Bill where the cleaner or ordally i think it was brings his mate in to rape the bride who is in a coma. In this case the patient is not in a coma. Anyway they get set to rape the girl in her room but decide it would be more fun to take the girl into Michael's room and rape her in front on him, taunting him whilst they do it. Whilst they are doing this, one of the hicks grabs one of Michael's masks that he made and puts it on whilst raping the girl. This set Michael off (though he was already getting pretty pissed) and he basically goes ballistic on the rapists and they deserve everything they got ! then he escapes.

It is a gratituous rape scene which if anything belongs in some trash exploitation movie, not a horror film.

Not to mention it's the dumbest way to escape ever.

I agree. Save that one scene which screamed CUT THIS OUT NOW, I really enjoyed the workprint a lot more. I liked the theatrical version but felt the movie wasn't cohesive. This one flowed and made a lot more sense as a whole. Plus, LOVED the ending. I hope we get that version on dvd in some form.

I bet 99% of the reshoots were studio enforced and only 1% Zombie approved. Since after reading about the differences between the workprint and the theatrical cut. There are some scenes in the TC that are not in the WP that added important information(scene with Brackett and Loomis discussing Laurie) which otherwise left a gaping plot hole. While most of the other changes/additions including the extended(and worse) ending are probably studio enforced.

The reshot institution escape is much better than the stupid and illogical(by any movie standards) rape scene. Since if Myers were not a big giant brute as he is as an adult. I could see the rape scene being more beliaveable and working because of that. But how many people,even drunk guards would think "Hey,let's go rape this girl in the big hulking killers room,yeah that will be the best place to do this!"?

So hopefully if a directors cut were released. Zombie would keep the theatrical escape scene intact.

Also it appears their is a difference in Myers himself and his killing between the two versions. In the WP,it seems he slaughters anyone that treats him 'bad'. But in the TC,he kills anyone ruthlessy,even if it's someone that treated him well,like a certain employee at the institution.

I don't really know what to make of that. Since I think it's kind of stupid for him to kill people that insult him and so forth. Since it then appears Zombie is on Myers side and wants us to feel sorry for him,and cheer on his 'revenge'.

So I think maybe a mixture of the two themes would be better. Where sometimes he kills after being insulted. And other times,just ruthlessly barbaric and savage killing everyone,including 'innocent' people.


Anyway this is all just speculation on my part. But knowing how the Weinsteins operate and the amount of their films that suffer extensive reshoots. I doubt it was not forced by them.

Saw it tonight, and didnt really like it, I Hated the first Half, The second half was alittle better but then turned into the generic slasher movie. The guy never dies, and he always pops up after everyone thinks hes dead.

My problem with Horror flicks the past few years is that they are not any fun to watch anymore. They are becoming way to dark, disturbing, sick and gruesome. They used to be fun to go with friends, have a fun time jumping etc. But now you dont want to even get popcorn or anything because they are becoming so gross that it makes you not even want to eat your popcorn. All the torture porn movies etc Are becoming not very fun. They arent scary as much disturbing and Sick. Why do they have to be so Dark and disturbing.

I think if someone done an edit of the workprint and the theatrical , we'd have a fairly decent remake on our hands. Nothing perfect, but a lot better than what people are paying to see.

I was thinking about this as well. And while the movie was flawed throughout. I did enjoy the little Myers first half of the film more than the hulk adult Myers portion.

Of course it seems the film would run two hours or longer if all the last half bits of the movie are fleshed out more. Along with more stuff from the institution bit with Loomis characterization. So it may still be a long film that may get exhausting by the time it reaches the finale. But at least everything would come around full circle with the original ending intact.

I'll do it but if you wanted a good film all I'd have to edit in would be the end credits. ;)

I've seen some people saying that the workprint was fantastic and theatrical version was shit. Now come on, they weren't THAT different. I do see how someone could prefer one cut over the other, but it's not such a different film that it'd go from being a 10 out of 10 to a 1 out of 10.

Was it fantastic? No. Was it a decent step up? Most certainly. There was a lot of great shots cut out of the theatrical version. Not to mention, we miss a lot of the classic Michael Myer's stalking his victims before he ever touches them. One prime example of this is, I'm amazed how Michael chasing Laurie down the street was cut out of the theatrical version. The way it was edited in the theatrical, we never see Michael really chasing her, we just see her run out of one house and to the next, with this editing, there is no tension. Sure, we all knew that Laurie would make it to "safety", but at least in the workprint version, we can see that she is in some kind of danger and what she is running from. That is just one big scene, that I thought should of never been cut. Another big difference is the ending, which I found not only more direct, but also much more fitting in the grand scheme of things, which is the direct opposite of the theatrical version, which I found to be prolonged and tacked on.

That's just my two cents.

I saw this tonight, and I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it either.

In fact I think they could have had something decent if they wouldn't have called it Halloween, changed the character names, and after he kills the guards at the sanitarium stay there and stalk/murder people inside the hospital. They lost me big time when the movie shifted.

I'm a big fan of the original, and I was going into this with an open mind. This needs to be the last Halloween film though, because we haven't had a decent one since part 4.

I think they done that before, believe it was called Halloween II.

:D

I also thought the hosptial murders after the 'escape' was a huge error as well,and also part of the reshoots obviously. I know the studio wanted to pump up more kills and stuff. But chronologically,that sequence makes no sense at all. So in my cut of the film,i'd cut that portion out. So after he kills the guards,he leaves the building.

And was a better movie than this.

I haven't seen the film, so nothing to add other than my daughter ran into the kid that plays the young Michael at Wal*Mart yesterday. For those that know San Diego, it was the 2-story one at Grossmont Center.

They talked for a bit but she didn't have anything he could sign with and didn't have a camera. She said he was with an older guy that might've been his dad.

I'm just going to spoilerize this whole thing to be safe: