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Old 12-06-05 | 09:54 AM
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Digi - are you going to see it? I'm thinking of going mainly to show my support for the genre. We need more gay cowboy movies in the world.
I can't go to the free screening and that was really the only reason i was going to go. I'm not really into cowboy movies and I sure as hell ain't going to see it just cause it's gay. I thought the trailer was laughable (not in a good way) at best and I'm not a big Heath fan. Jake is ok...now that I saw Jarhead. It just doesn't look interesting to me at all.
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Old 12-06-05 | 11:44 AM
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Digi - are you going to see it? I'm thinking of going mainly to show my support for the genre. We need more gay cowboy movies in the world.
I think you should go and see and support the movie.
Saw a special on logo about the making of the movie last night. Looks amazing.
And about the straight thing, I know lots of people I work with that want to see it and they are straight. They want to see it because it is suppose to be good. They dont judge on the whole gay/straight theme.
Laughable digi?
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I think you should go and see and support the movie.
Saw a special on logo about the making of the movie last night. Looks amazing.
And about the straight thing, I know lots of people I work with that want to see it and they are straight. They want to see it because it is suppose to be good. They dont judge on the whole gay/straight theme.
Laughable digi?
Yup. I can't remember where but I was watching the trailer and I felt like i was watching that Logo series with the black guys...without the black guys to make it hot. Who knows? Maybe I just have issues with two macho straight actors trying to be gay with melodramatic material to work with. And it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know where the story is going.

I have a ton of movies to see and my "support" of Brokeback Mountain will be at the bottom of that list. Just cause it's a "gay movie" doesn't mean i have to support it and/or like it, as the "gay movie" thread shows. More than likely, I won't enjoy it...but maybe I'll rent it someday. There's just not a damn thing about it that's appealing to me. Not one.
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Old 12-06-05 | 12:01 PM
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What's not to like? It's only the biggest gay screen romance of all time. The movie is widely considered one of Ang Lee's best, with career-best performances by Ledger and Gyllanhaal. It's based on a script which was famous in Hollywood as the "best unproduced screenplay" for maybe five years... itself based on one of the most well-known, honored and loved short stories of the past decade.

Read Pete Traver's 4/4 rave for Rolling Stone:
Ang Lee's unmissable and unforgettable Brokeback Mountain hits you like a shot in the heart. It's a landmark film and a triumph for Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, who bring deep reserves of feeling to this defiantly erotic love story about two Wyoming ranch hands and the external and internal forces that drive them from desire to denial. Directed with piercing intelligence and delicacy by Lee, the film of Annie Proulx's 1997 short story -- the unerring script by Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana is a model of literary adaptation -- wears its emotions on its sleeve.
That leaves the film vulnerable. The media keep tagging it as the gay cowboy movie, the queer Gone With the Wind, the Western that puts the poke in cowpoke. Coupled with the rise of homophobia as church and state shout down gay marriage, the film is up against it.

Do me a favor: See the movie first and make your judgments later. It's an eye-opener.
The story begins in 1963, when ranch boss Joe Aguirre (Randy Quaid) hires Jack Twist (Gyllenhaal) and Ennis Del Mar (Ledger) to herd sheep up on Wyoming's Brokeback Mountain. Ennis is quiet, but whiskey and Jack's talk about his rodeo riding loosens Ennis' tongue and his inhibitions. One cold night they share a bedroll. Jack gives the impression of experience. For Ennis, this is nothing he'd done before, but no instructional manual is needed.

Proulx writes it this way: "They never talked about sex, let it happen, at first only in the tent at night, then in full daylight with the hot sun striking down, and at evening in the fire glow, quick, rough, laughing and snorting, no lack of noises, but saying not a goddamn word except once Ennis said, 'I'm not no queer,' and Jack jumped in with 'Me neither.' "

Lee and the gifted cinematographer Rodrigo Prieto (Amores Perros) transform Proulx's terse prose into expansive visual poetry. Shooting in Alberta, Canada, Lee avoids trite postcard prettiness to find the beauty and terror in nature that mirror the vivid and sometimes violent relationship between the two men. "It's nobody's business but ours," Jack tells Ennis.

He's wrong, of course. Joe spots them with his binoculars and never hires them again. Ennis marries Alma (Michelle Williams) and has two daughters. Jack moves to Texas, marries Lureen (Anne Hathaway) and has a son. Living a lie is easier than dealing with the truth, at least it is for Ennis until Jack pays a visit -- his first in four years.

Lee's filmmaking mastery has never been more evident. Watch the skill with which the Taiwanese director of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Sense and Sensibility walks the volatile ground of this reunion scene. Ennis can't contain his excitement. Running down the steps to greet his friend, he collides with Jack's body, kissing him fiercely and Jack returning the heat. Alma sees it too, from the window, finding reinforcement for something she's always felt. Without dialogue, Lee creates a whole world that can be read eloquently and movingly on the faces of the actors.

And what actors. Though the characters must age twenty years, Lee has cast the film young, a risk that pays major dividends. Hathaway (The Princess Diaries) excels at showing Lureen's journey from cutie-pie to hard case. And Williams (Dawson's Creek) is a revelation, using what Proulx calls Alma's "misery voice" when her husband goes fishing several times a year with Jack. Who can blame her? They never bring home any fish. When Alma remarries and lets Ennis feel the knife of her resentment, Williams lets it rip.

Of course, the movie would not work at all if the two lead actors didn't deliver the goods. Gyllenhaal finds the reckless core in Jack, who cruises alleys and bars in Mexico when Ennis rejects his offer to settle down and run his father's ranch. Ennis lives in fear of coming out -- he relates a harrowing childhood incident in which he saw a man tortured and killed for the crime of living with another man. And so he forbids himself happiness with the one person he has ever truly loved.

Ledger's magnificent performance is an acting miracle. He seems to tear it from his insides. Ledger doesn't just know how Ennis moves, speaks and listens; he knows how he breathes. To see him inhale the scent of a shirt hanging in Jack's closet is to take measure of the pain of love lost. As Jack told him once, "That ol' Brokeback got us good." That's the key reason -- besides its daring, its bravery, its dead-on relevance to right now -- that this classic in the making ranks high on the list of the year's best movies. It gets you good.
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Yeah. Pete's a big ol' gay boy himself. It'll be interesting to see how someone who isn't getting a hard-on from the two leads and caught up in it being "the biggest gay screen romance of all time" reacts. Honestly, I could give two shits. I want to know if it's a good movie. With all this hype, if and when I do see, it better seriously deliver because the trailer was definitely not a good indicator of its supposed greatness.
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Who knows? Maybe I just have issues with two macho straight actors trying to be gay with melodramatic material to work with.
Gyllenhall macho? In my opinion, he seems more of a quiet/intellectual type of guy in real life.
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again, i wonder how much the "gay community" is excited about this. I haven't talked to a single one of my gay friends about it. No one has brought it up. No one has wanted to see it. The only people that have "barely" mentioned it were the co-workers that wanted my ticket and some other friends I have in the theater community...none of whom were gay.
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Gyllenhall macho? In my opinion, he seems more of a quiet/intellectual type of guy in real life.
Again...did you see Jarhead? That was hotness. Not so much him but the others.
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Old 12-06-05 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
It'll be interesting to see how someone who isn't getting a hard-on from the two leads and caught up in it being "the biggest gay screen romance of all time" reacts.
Then try reading the other reviews, if you're detirmined to disregard anyone who might find the leads sexy. As far as I know, Heath & Jake don't do a thing personally for, say, Ebert & Roeper.

All I'm saying is that the movie is among the best-reviewed films of the year, poised for lots of award nominations and lots of best-of-the-year lists.

Dismiss it if you want, it's a free country. But is dismissing it because it's a romantic tragedy with a western flavor any different than dismissing it because it's gay?
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Old 12-06-05 | 12:18 PM
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Again...did you see Jarhead? That was hotness. Not so much him but the others.
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Old 12-06-05 | 12:23 PM
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Then try reading the other reviews, if you're detirmined to disregard anyone who might find the leads sexy. As far as I know, Heath & Jake don't do a thing personally for, say, Ebert & Roeper.

All I'm saying is that the movie is among the best-reviewed films of the year, poised for lots of award nominations and lots of best-of-the-year lists.

Dismiss it if you want, it's a free country. But is dismissing it because it's a romantic tragedy with a western flavor any different than dismissing it because it's gay?
I'm dismissing it for both reasons. Neither interests me. For free, it might. But I have enough experience with fucked-up gay men in "my own backyard" and watching them in a movie doesn't exactly appeal to me. Haven't read Eberts review.

It's amusing how some of the people are getting huffy in this thread. As if it's my civic duty as a gay man to go see this movie and support it. If anything, that type of attitude just makes me want to see it less...if that's possible.

It seems like there are two reasons everyone wants to see it at this point:

1) "It's only the biggest gay screen romance of all time."
(as compared to what? "Lukas' First Time" )

2) The reviews.

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I certainly don't think anyone has to see *any* movie. I also think there's plenty of evidence that this particular movie is good enough to warrant a viewing by anyone who is into fine acting, writing, and directing. Like someone who hates gays, your problem with the subject matter is a reflection on you, not the movie.
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I certainly don't think anyone has to see *any* movie. I also think there's plenty of evidence that this particular movie is good enough to warrant a viewing by anyone who is into fine acting, writing, and directing. Like someone who hates gays, your problem with the subject matter is a reflection on you, not the movie.
what's your point?

you're taking this awfully personally. Did you have a hand in its getting made? Or do you feel this will be some sort of big victory for the gay community?
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what's your point?

you're taking this awfully personally. Did you have a hand in its getting made? Or do you feel this will be some sort of big victory for the gay community?
I take the short story it was based on personally. I expect the movie will be the same way, probably becoming one of the movie touchstones of my life. That, and I'm just reacting to your phenomenal arrogance, as usual.

And no, I don't think it'll be a big victory for the gay community. I think the gay community's got nothing but crushing blows coming to it for the next 20 years. Which is one of the reasons why serious works on gay themes appeal to me more than the mindless crap you seem to prefer, given your comment about already having enough "fucked up gay men" in your life.

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And no, I don't think it'll be a big victory for the gay community. I think the gay community's got nothing but crushing blows coming to it for the next 20 years.
Why do you think that?
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I take the short story it was based on personally. I expect the movie will be the same way, probably becoming one of the movie touchstones of my life. That, and I'm just reacting to your phenomenal arrogance, as usual.

And no, I don't think it'll be a big victory for the gay community. I think the gay community's got nothing but crushing blows coming to it for the next 20 years. Which is one of the reasons why serious works on gay themes appeal to me more than the mindless crap you seem to prefer, given your comment about already having enough "fucked up gay men" in your life.
Wow.

And that's the edited version of that post. Damn.

Oh, the age differences between gay men.
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Why do you think that?
The arrogance in me says the pessimism in him is wrong.
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Yeah. Pete's a big ol' gay boy himself. It'll be interesting to see how someone who isn't getting a hard-on from the two leads and caught up in it being "the biggest gay screen romance of all time" reacts. Honestly, I could give two shits. I want to know if it's a good movie. With all this hype, if and when I do see, it better seriously deliver because the trailer was definitely not a good indicator of its supposed greatness.
You seem against the movie for some reason. Why is that? It may not play well for all the macho men but that doesnt mean it isnt an important movie.
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Or do you feel this will be some sort of big victory for the gay community?
You obviously don't. Why not?
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Why do you think that?
I'd love to be wrong, but: Our equality has been voted down, in case you hadn't noticed. We're officially lesser people in what, 35 states? The courts were our only chance, and they've been successfully blocked. And the *new* Supreme Court will never side with us. The war is lost for another generation. It grieves me. And the fight goes on.
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You obviously don't. Why not?
Among other things, it sounds like he was embarrassed by the trailer. I probably would have been too, if I'd seen it in a theatre full of people. My understanding is that the trailer was created very specifically for the "chick flick" market, and that it just reinforces all the negatives for people who want to make fun of it. Don't know whether that was a smart move or not.

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I'd love to be wrong, but: Our equality has been voted down, in case you hadn't noticed. We're officially lesser people in what, 35 states? The courts were our only chance, and they've been successfully blocked. And the *new* Supreme Court will never side with us. The war is lost for another generation. It grieves me. And the fight goes on.
Gay marriage is only a small part of the equation. It's an important and visible issue, but it's not the totality of gay rights. Besides which, I'd rather avoid another Roe v. Wade and have marriage equality take a state-by-state approach.

I would say the majority of people under 30 have no problem with gay people or gay marriage. The very fact that two actors like Ledger and Gyllenhaal are doing a film like this is proof of how far we've come.
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As a 20 years old gay man, I feel like this movie is very important. It'll be the first time I witness a major gay romance movie on the big screen and with the leads played by two big mainstream hollywood actors. The glowing reviews just make me even more excited.
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