Ghostbusters (2016) - Female reboot - D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon
#502
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Maybe they should just call it Ghostbustresses to shut down the misogyny by throwing it right in the title.
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Until somebody actually answers the question.
Who said it isn't? The issue is the double standard here -- if having a unisex team is a gimmick, then the original was just as gimmicky, but nobody rants about how awful it was that only the guys got to use proton packs while the girls were left to answer phones and get molested by dogs.
Make an argument proving an all-female cast isn't.
#504
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
People already called Bridesmaids the "female Hangover" when it was released:
https://www.google.com/search?q=brid...emale+hangover
With Sex and the City, the main point of the show and subsequent movies were that it was about a group of women and their friendship and romantic relationships. Their gender was part of the point.
With Ghostbusters, it's about a bunch of doofuses who fall into the ghost catching business. Their gender had about as little to do with it as their race.
https://www.google.com/search?q=brid...emale+hangover
With Sex and the City, the main point of the show and subsequent movies were that it was about a group of women and their friendship and romantic relationships. Their gender was part of the point.
With Ghostbusters, it's about a bunch of doofuses who fall into the ghost catching business. Their gender had about as little to do with it as their race.
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
You should probably phrase that differently. If it was being written... then yes... they were written for women. Unless they really had blank states in gender for the the script.
#506
Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
With Ghostbusters, it's about a bunch of doofuses who fall into the ghost catching business. Their gender had about as little to do with it as their race.
Who said it isn't? The issue is the double standard here -- if having a unisex team is a gimmick, then the original was just as gimmicky, but nobody rants about how awful it was that only the guys got to use proton packs while the girls were left to answer phones and get molested by dogs.
With Sex and the City, the main point of the show and subsequent movies were that it was about a group of women and their friendship and romantic relationships. Their gender was part of the point.
#507
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
I still don't get the issue, other then a few folks trying to act socially superior or something. Taking an existing concept and switching an aspect of it around deliberately to attract attention is a gimmick as I mentioned before; it's not necessarily a bad label, it often works, and it's not isolated to gender.
#508
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
I still don't get the issue, other then a few folks trying to act socially superior or something. Taking an existing concept and switching an aspect of it around deliberately to attract attention is a gimmick as I mentioned before; it's not necessarily a bad label, it often works, and it's not isolated to gender.
But if it was the aforementioned Sister Act or Bridesmaids, those are distinctly female-focused films because nuns and bridesmaids are female characters.
Are Ghostbusters inherently male? And if they aren't, than what's the gimmick? What are they changing about the Ghostbusters? There is nothing distinctly male about them, is there?
I'm genuinely trying to wrap my head around it. When this was all announced, I was like "cool, I like some of the things these people have done" as opposed to OH MY GOD THEY DON'T HAVE DICKS THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BLOOOOOOOW.
#509
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
The studios are always looking for gimmicky concepts to wedge female comedies in, this just happened to be one of the most popular comedies of all time they could use as a selling point. No one would even know this movie is getting made if they hadn't called it Ghostbusters.
Most Ghostbusters' fans were hoping a sequel with the original cast was made in some form, even if it introduced a new generation of Ghostbusters.
Most Ghostbusters' fans were hoping a sequel with the original cast was made in some form, even if it introduced a new generation of Ghostbusters.
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
But the concept was organically created as three male buddies/ co-workers getting fired and they form their own business catching ghosts. That was how it was originally envisioned and created. So yes the fact that it was three men was important because of how the roles were written.
#511
Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
I think it's going to suck that it's going to be made in the same pattern as every dumbed-down multiplex-friendly "comedy" that's been put out for over the last decade or so. They couldn't put out the ORIGINAL Ghostbusters in today's studio system without putting in a bunch of poop and fart jokes to entertain the yahoos that they're trying to appeal to.
#512
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
I think it's going to suck that it's going to be made in the same pattern as every dumbed-down multiplex-friendly "comedy" that's been put out for over the last decade or so. They couldn't put out the ORIGINAL Ghostbusters in today's studio system without putting in a bunch of poop and fart jokes to entertain the yahoos that they're trying to appeal to.
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#514
Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
But, they couldn't make Blazing Saddles today either--albeit for different reasons.
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#515
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
To me, casting a group of women is the same as casting people who were taller or shorter than the original cast. The fact that they are women has no bearing on the concept of who Ghostbusters are as characters.
But if it was the aforementioned Sister Act or Bridesmaids, those are distinctly female-focused films because nuns and bridesmaids are female characters.
Are Ghostbusters inherently male? And if they aren't, than what's the gimmick? What are they changing about the Ghostbusters? There is nothing distinctly male about them, is there?
I'm genuinely trying to wrap my head around it. When this was all announced, I was like "cool, I like some of the things these people have done" as opposed to OH MY GOD THEY DON'T HAVE DICKS THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BLOOOOOOOW.
But if it was the aforementioned Sister Act or Bridesmaids, those are distinctly female-focused films because nuns and bridesmaids are female characters.
Are Ghostbusters inherently male? And if they aren't, than what's the gimmick? What are they changing about the Ghostbusters? There is nothing distinctly male about them, is there?
I'm genuinely trying to wrap my head around it. When this was all announced, I was like "cool, I like some of the things these people have done" as opposed to OH MY GOD THEY DON'T HAVE DICKS THIS MOVIE IS GOING TO BLOOOOOOOW.
#516
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
I do think that gender is an attribute worthy of distinction, but that doesn't mean that playing with gender is automatically a gimmick.
#517
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Sony, who has no viable franchises aside from this, knows who and what is "hot" right now in Hollywood. They're ignorant from the leaked e-mails it seems, but not stupid.
This movie is nothing more than a cash grab. Catering to a female demographic by showing a different version of a movie that's already popular with the boys is nothing more than a fucking gimmick. Aside from a few voices here and there, most people are in agreement with that.
#518
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Yes and no. Gender is irrelevant. The fact they went from an all male team in various forms for the past 30 years to all female is what makes it a gimmick, IMO.
#520
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#521
Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Women can't be buddies or co-workers? They can't get fired and form their own businesses?
Yes and no. Gender is irrelevant. The fact they went from an all male team in various forms for the past 30 years to all female is what makes it a gimmick, IMO.
They don't have many, but James Bond is doing okay for them.
#522
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Sex and the City thrived because of its gender perspective, though, whereas the Ghostbusters franchise really doesn't care that the core four are men. Personally, I think they should have mixed the reboot up completely. Five, maybe six members of the team, with both women and men.
#525
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Re: Ghostbusters III (D: Feig, S: McCarthy, Wiig, Jones, McKinnon)
Wasn't part of the joke with Ghostbusters that they were a bunch of guys waving around their neutrino wands right out of their crotches and trying not to cross their streams with one another? In other words, it was thinly veiled joke about guys' penises. Are they gonna have the females doing the same thing? I don't see how it can be as funny. Unless they have them throw down a tampon trap that they use to suck up the ghosts.