The Descent -- D: Neil Marshall
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Originally Posted by RichC2
The US Version isn't cut in the traditional sense - it has a different ending, and after all the bitching about the original ending - it isn't a surprise. Tho I suppose it is a cut, but generally when people say cut it means censored (which the US version is not).
new scenes. "Cut" really is the best way to describe it, IMO, as scenes were cut and new new scenes were filmed.
#77
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Different ending? My understanding is that it just ends earlier than the R2 release does. I wouldn't call that a "different" ending. To me, "different" implies
new scenes. "Cut" really is the best way to describe it, IMO, as scenes were cut and new new scenes were filmed.
new scenes. "Cut" really is the best way to describe it, IMO, as scenes were cut and new new scenes were filmed.
Last edited by RichC2; 07-31-06 at 01:15 AM.
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I'll betcha dollars to donuts that the DVD will include the original ending, or at least the (always eventual double-dip) "Directors Cut/Unedited Edition" DVD will include it for sure.
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According to the new EW, Marshall was (sort of) okay with the ending change. He actually suggested the ending they eventually used, and it did involve an alternate shot from what he used in the British ending. He may have figured it was better to have some say in the change rather than none at all.
From quotes from another interview:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index...ory=3&id=37293
In that interview he's a bit more negative about it. But in this one he suggests it was actually HIS idea to go with the change.
http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/006933.html
From quotes from another interview:
Neil Marshall, director of the upcoming SF horror film The Descent, told SCI FI Wire that the film's ending was altered for U.S. audiences from its original U.K. release to make it a bit more upbeat. "The ending that I had when I originally wrote it has been playing in Britain nearly a year now, and they seem to like it just fine," Marshall said in an interview after a screening of the film in Los Angeles last week. "But I had the chance to shoot another ending, so I did, and I think that's fine, too."
When Lionsgate tested the film, the unrelenting dark U.K. ending seemed to irritate Americans, so it was changed. Marshall had time to do it because the release was delayed in the U.S. to avoid the similarly themed The Cave, which was coming out about the same time.
"We had the time to do it, and it gives me as a filmmaker that rare opportunity to have two endings," Marshall said with a laugh. "We never tested both endings with both British and American audiences, so I can't say if one group liked one over the other, but it seems like the American audiences will like the one we're releasing here."
The Descent opens Aug. 4 and stars Shauna Macdonald, Alex Reid and Natalie Mendoza. Which ending does the London-based director prefer? "I prefer the British version," he admitted. The Descent opens wide on Aug. 4.
When Lionsgate tested the film, the unrelenting dark U.K. ending seemed to irritate Americans, so it was changed. Marshall had time to do it because the release was delayed in the U.S. to avoid the similarly themed The Cave, which was coming out about the same time.
"We had the time to do it, and it gives me as a filmmaker that rare opportunity to have two endings," Marshall said with a laugh. "We never tested both endings with both British and American audiences, so I can't say if one group liked one over the other, but it seems like the American audiences will like the one we're releasing here."
The Descent opens Aug. 4 and stars Shauna Macdonald, Alex Reid and Natalie Mendoza. Which ending does the London-based director prefer? "I prefer the British version," he admitted. The Descent opens wide on Aug. 4.
In that interview he's a bit more negative about it. But in this one he suggests it was actually HIS idea to go with the change.
MG: The Descent has been released theatrically with two different endings; the American release being slightly shorter than the British. What necessitated the alternate ending? Is it much different from the original?
NM: It is shorter and it is very different. It puts a whole new light on the film in a way. It has a real big impact on the end of the film. So it's worth tracking down just to see what you think. But you have to see it in context, you have to watch the whole film to understand it. The reason for the change came because I toyed with the alternative ending in the UK in the edit but we decided to go with the longer version, the descriptive version and our original vision. I'm glad that I did that. It was fantastic. It's an ending that I really love. But when it was released, it split audiences down the middle. Some people loved it, some people hated it. Given almost a second chance with its release in the U.S., I thought, "Well, let's just try the other ending." We had nothing to lose in a way because the original ending already exists and is already out there so we just thought, "Let's try this" and Lionsgate was keen to go with it.
MG: That's a rare opportunity to have both endings out there like that.
NM: It is. At the end of the day it's the dvd age and I'm sure the original ending will turn up on the dvd. It's not like no one's going to get to see it if they want it.
NM: It is shorter and it is very different. It puts a whole new light on the film in a way. It has a real big impact on the end of the film. So it's worth tracking down just to see what you think. But you have to see it in context, you have to watch the whole film to understand it. The reason for the change came because I toyed with the alternative ending in the UK in the edit but we decided to go with the longer version, the descriptive version and our original vision. I'm glad that I did that. It was fantastic. It's an ending that I really love. But when it was released, it split audiences down the middle. Some people loved it, some people hated it. Given almost a second chance with its release in the U.S., I thought, "Well, let's just try the other ending." We had nothing to lose in a way because the original ending already exists and is already out there so we just thought, "Let's try this" and Lionsgate was keen to go with it.
MG: That's a rare opportunity to have both endings out there like that.
NM: It is. At the end of the day it's the dvd age and I'm sure the original ending will turn up on the dvd. It's not like no one's going to get to see it if they want it.
#82
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NM: It is. At the end of the day it's the dvd age and I'm sure the original ending will turn up on the dvd. It's not like no one's going to get to see it if they want it.
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Entertainment Weekly says the director subbed in an alternate shot and cut the final minute, so as small as it may be, it sounds like there is something different in the US release.
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Good review Brian.
Yeah, the new ending was shot and approved by the director himself (well, to a certain degree). It apparently was tested with audiences here and they grew irritated with the film's conclusion - so they decided to try the new ending. Haven't seen the UK cut, so I'll be excited to see how it'll be integrated (hopefully via seamless branching) on the DVD.
At any rate, definitely excited to see this film. Watching it in the huge, open aired, dark theater will be a BLAST.
Yeah, the new ending was shot and approved by the director himself (well, to a certain degree). It apparently was tested with audiences here and they grew irritated with the film's conclusion - so they decided to try the new ending. Haven't seen the UK cut, so I'll be excited to see how it'll be integrated (hopefully via seamless branching) on the DVD.
At any rate, definitely excited to see this film. Watching it in the huge, open aired, dark theater will be a BLAST.
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I have no information regarding the ending, but I did want to say that my local paper gave The Descent a 5-star rating. Granted, it's just Toledo Ohio, but it is One Of America's Great Newspapers
For sake of comparison, they also gave Miami Vice and Scanner Darkly 5-stars.
For sake of comparison, they also gave Miami Vice and Scanner Darkly 5-stars.
#93
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This movie owned all. The original ending was way better, since all they did was cut out the last scene for the US release. Here are the last 10min of the UK ending. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJgA...=the%20descent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJgA...=the%20descent
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Originally Posted by marty888
All the reviews I've read - even the less enthusiastic ones - have made this one movie I definitely want to see theatrically.
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I saw it today and thought it had good action/gore sequences, but I also found the rest of the movie to be boring, with shitty acting, but most horror movies do. I'd give it a B-. Worth a matinee. Good thing AMC has that new AMCinema program, $4 ( at my theater )for all movies before 12pm on fri, sat, sun , and holidays.
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Just saw this today and really liked it. This is the first I'm hearing about the changed ending. I just watched the youtube clip. I certainly always prefer that a director get's the ending he wants. That being said, the US ending was hardly a feel good, happy ending. If anything it's a bit more shocking.
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Originally Posted by SPiRAL
Good thing AMC has that new AMCinema program, $4 ( at my theater )for all movies before 12pm on fri, sat, sun , and holidays.
I've never heard of this. I work on those days and I rarely go to the movies on the weekend but I may change that if this is the case. I see all my movies at AMC. I'm in Torrance CA and there's a brand new AMC being built at the Del Amo mall.
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Back on topic. I'm shocked at the positive reviews this movie is getting. I may have to check it out.
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Well, I got my answer. From the AMC Website:
A.M.Cinema invites moviegoers to visit their local AMC theatre before noon on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays to enjoy first-run movies for either $4.00, $5.00 or $6.00* depending on theatre and market.
A.M.Cinema invites moviegoers to visit their local AMC theatre before noon on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays to enjoy first-run movies for either $4.00, $5.00 or $6.00* depending on theatre and market.
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I'm going to see The Descent tomorrow afternoon.
I watched the original ending on a couple of links people posted on a horror forum that I frequent, and I've got to admit that I think that while it's actually a pretty bleak ending, I also feel that it's a terrible ending in the UK cut.
I hate those whole "Everything's alright but it's only a dream" kind of junk in horror movies anyway.
I apparently may be only one of the few that thinks that the director might have done the correct thing in changing the ending for the US release.
Neil Marshall has stated himself that the original ending split UK audiences anyway.
I watched the original ending on a couple of links people posted on a horror forum that I frequent, and I've got to admit that I think that while it's actually a pretty bleak ending, I also feel that it's a terrible ending in the UK cut.
I hate those whole "Everything's alright but it's only a dream" kind of junk in horror movies anyway.
I apparently may be only one of the few that thinks that the director might have done the correct thing in changing the ending for the US release.
Neil Marshall has stated himself that the original ending split UK audiences anyway.



