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Old 07-31-06 | 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RichC2
The US Version isn't cut in the traditional sense - it has a different ending, and after all the bitching about the original ending - it isn't a surprise. Tho I suppose it is a cut, but generally when people say cut it means censored (which the US version is not).
Different ending? My understanding is that it just ends earlier than the R2 release does. I wouldn't call that a "different" ending. To me, "different" implies
new scenes. "Cut" really is the best way to describe it, IMO, as scenes were cut and new new scenes were filmed.
Old 07-31-06 | 01:10 AM
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Different ending? My understanding is that it just ends earlier than the R2 release does. I wouldn't call that a "different" ending. To me, "different" implies
new scenes. "Cut" really is the best way to describe it, IMO, as scenes were cut and new new scenes were filmed.
It's a different ending, even tho it's just an earlier end point. What new scenes were filmed? Or did you mean no new scenes? Cut is just a word I associate with censorship, my own mentality I suppose, though referencing older movies, you are correct that it would be the best label for it, and both better be on the R1 DVD, with an option when you start the flick.

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Old 07-31-06 | 01:33 AM
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Yeah, sorry, meant to say "no new scenes".

And I won't be buying it either, unless I get the UK version.
Old 07-31-06 | 06:12 AM
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I'll betcha dollars to donuts that the DVD will include the original ending, or at least the (always eventual double-dip) "Directors Cut/Unedited Edition" DVD will include it for sure.
Old 07-31-06 | 02:45 PM
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So for those of us who have only seen the R2 DVD, how did the american version end?

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Did it just cut to the end when Sarah got into the car, and did it end before the camera panned to Juno being in in the car with her?
Old 07-31-06 | 03:17 PM
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According to the new EW, Marshall was (sort of) okay with the ending change. He actually suggested the ending they eventually used, and it did involve an alternate shot from what he used in the British ending. He may have figured it was better to have some say in the change rather than none at all.

From quotes from another interview:
Neil Marshall, director of the upcoming SF horror film The Descent, told SCI FI Wire that the film's ending was altered for U.S. audiences from its original U.K. release to make it a bit more upbeat. "The ending that I had when I originally wrote it has been playing in Britain nearly a year now, and they seem to like it just fine," Marshall said in an interview after a screening of the film in Los Angeles last week. "But I had the chance to shoot another ending, so I did, and I think that's fine, too."

When Lionsgate tested the film, the unrelenting dark U.K. ending seemed to irritate Americans, so it was changed. Marshall had time to do it because the release was delayed in the U.S. to avoid the similarly themed The Cave, which was coming out about the same time.

"We had the time to do it, and it gives me as a filmmaker that rare opportunity to have two endings," Marshall said with a laugh. "We never tested both endings with both British and American audiences, so I can't say if one group liked one over the other, but it seems like the American audiences will like the one we're releasing here."

The Descent opens Aug. 4 and stars Shauna Macdonald, Alex Reid and Natalie Mendoza. Which ending does the London-based director prefer? "I prefer the British version," he admitted. The Descent opens wide on Aug. 4.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index...ory=3&id=37293

In that interview he's a bit more negative about it. But in this one he suggests it was actually HIS idea to go with the change.

MG: The Descent has been released theatrically with two different endings; the American release being slightly shorter than the British. What necessitated the alternate ending? Is it much different from the original?

NM: It is shorter and it is very different. It puts a whole new light on the film in a way. It has a real big impact on the end of the film. So it's worth tracking down just to see what you think. But you have to see it in context, you have to watch the whole film to understand it. The reason for the change came because I toyed with the alternative ending in the UK in the edit but we decided to go with the longer version, the descriptive version and our original vision. I'm glad that I did that. It was fantastic. It's an ending that I really love. But when it was released, it split audiences down the middle. Some people loved it, some people hated it. Given almost a second chance with its release in the U.S., I thought, "Well, let's just try the other ending." We had nothing to lose in a way because the original ending already exists and is already out there so we just thought, "Let's try this" and Lionsgate was keen to go with it.

MG: That's a rare opportunity to have both endings out there like that.

NM: It is. At the end of the day it's the dvd age and I'm sure the original ending will turn up on the dvd. It's not like no one's going to get to see it if they want it.
http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/006933.html
Old 07-31-06 | 03:20 PM
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NM: It is. At the end of the day it's the dvd age and I'm sure the original ending will turn up on the dvd. It's not like no one's going to get to see it if they want it.
Seamless branching DVD w/ both endings sounds like a good idea. I definitely feel a little better about it since it has some form of approval from the director.
Old 07-31-06 | 03:53 PM
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So............... what was changed? I apologize in advance if it was discussed in those two articles that DRG posted, but I didn't see it.
Old 08-02-06 | 02:42 AM
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The director cut it himself for US audiences, and has stated that the UK ending will be on the DVD.

I saw the US cut tonight and loved the film.
Old 08-02-06 | 05:01 PM
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Entertainment Weekly says the director subbed in an alternate shot and cut the final minute, so as small as it may be, it sounds like there is something different in the US release.
Old 08-02-06 | 05:24 PM
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How does this compare to "The Cave"?

It is 1,000 times better than "The Cave." At least.
Old 08-02-06 | 06:52 PM
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Good review Brian.

Yeah, the new ending was shot and approved by the director himself (well, to a certain degree). It apparently was tested with audiences here and they grew irritated with the film's conclusion - so they decided to try the new ending. Haven't seen the UK cut, so I'll be excited to see how it'll be integrated (hopefully via seamless branching) on the DVD.

At any rate, definitely excited to see this film. Watching it in the huge, open aired, dark theater will be a BLAST.
Old 08-03-06 | 08:10 PM
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I'll be renting this movie to see how good it is. Haven't seen a good horror flick since Session 9.
Old 08-03-06 | 11:05 PM
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I have seen the UK cut of the film but, with spoilers of course, can someone tell me at what point in the US version did the film end to accommodate the "new" ending?
Old 08-04-06 | 11:48 AM
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I have no information regarding the ending, but I did want to say that my local paper gave The Descent a 5-star rating. Granted, it's just Toledo Ohio, but it is One Of America's Great Newspapers

For sake of comparison, they also gave Miami Vice and Scanner Darkly 5-stars.
Old 08-04-06 | 12:08 PM
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This is the US ending
Spoiler:
Sarah escapes the cave, jumps into the vehicle, drives away. She pulls over on the side of the road, and almost gets hit by the truck driving by. She looks up, and sees Juno sitting next to her. ROLL CREDITS. Basically, the movie just ends about 90 seconds before the other version ends, there's no alternate takes or anything. So in this version, Sarah escapes the cave, but is haunted in her mind by the awful thing she has done. With her daughter's death, and now the events in the cave, especially what she had to do to Juno, I think she's just gone insane.
Old 08-04-06 | 12:47 PM
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All the reviews I've read - even the less enthusiastic ones - have made this one movie I definitely want to see theatrically.
Old 08-04-06 | 01:26 PM
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This movie owned all. The original ending was way better, since all they did was cut out the last scene for the US release. Here are the last 10min of the UK ending. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xJgA...=the%20descent
Old 08-04-06 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by marty888
All the reviews I've read - even the less enthusiastic ones - have made this one movie I definitely want to see theatrically.
A few of the reviews I've read have fallen somewhere between 2 and 3 stars, yet they all said how this is one of the best horror movies in years. It just goes to show you that many critics still don't take the genre seriously.
Old 08-04-06 | 04:12 PM
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I saw it today and thought it had good action/gore sequences, but I also found the rest of the movie to be boring, with shitty acting, but most horror movies do. I'd give it a B-. Worth a matinee. Good thing AMC has that new AMCinema program, $4 ( at my theater )for all movies before 12pm on fri, sat, sun , and holidays.

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Old 08-04-06 | 07:30 PM
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Just saw this today and really liked it. This is the first I'm hearing about the changed ending. I just watched the youtube clip. I certainly always prefer that a director get's the ending he wants. That being said, the US ending was hardly a feel good, happy ending. If anything it's a bit more shocking.

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The thing that sucks about the UK ending is that if the last part of the movie is all a dream, you really don't know what happens to half of the characters right? Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of dream sequences.

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Old 08-04-06 | 07:55 PM
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The AMC in Burbank (AMC 16) was 6 bucks for Sunday before 12 (when I checked on line last night)...which theater did you go to?
Old 08-04-06 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SPiRAL
Good thing AMC has that new AMCinema program, $4 ( at my theater )for all movies before 12pm on fri, sat, sun , and holidays.

I've never heard of this. I work on those days and I rarely go to the movies on the weekend but I may change that if this is the case. I see all my movies at AMC. I'm in Torrance CA and there's a brand new AMC being built at the Del Amo mall.

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Back on topic. I'm shocked at the positive reviews this movie is getting. I may have to check it out.

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Old 08-04-06 | 08:15 PM
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Well, I got my answer. From the AMC Website:

A.M.Cinema invites moviegoers to visit their local AMC theatre before noon on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays to enjoy first-run movies for either $4.00, $5.00 or $6.00* depending on theatre and market.
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I'm going to see The Descent tomorrow afternoon.

I watched the original ending on a couple of links people posted on a horror forum that I frequent, and I've got to admit that I think that while it's actually a pretty bleak ending, I also feel that it's a terrible ending in the UK cut.

I hate those whole "Everything's alright but it's only a dream" kind of junk in horror movies anyway.

I apparently may be only one of the few that thinks that the director might have done the correct thing in changing the ending for the US release.

Neil Marshall has stated himself that the original ending split UK audiences anyway.


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