Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Movie Talk
Reload this Page >

WAR OF THE WORLDS thread... (merged)

Community
Search
Movie Talk A Discussion area for everything movie related including films In The Theaters

WAR OF THE WORLDS thread... (merged)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-02-05 | 08:42 AM
  #226  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 42,159
Received 1,449 Likes on 1,125 Posts
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
I disagree. She acted like a little girl having little girl issues. I guess you believe she shoulda held her pee and shut up. I'm sorry but that doesn't seem very realistic. Also, wanting their mommy is also what scared little girls do.
Re-read my post. I actually found the part of her wanting her mom believable. What I don't find believable was the cutesy "don't look as I pee" scene. Either she would have pissed herself or found somewhere close to the car (like behind an open door) to piss. This scene was made worse by her practically going to hell's end to take a piss. I know there was no love lost between her and her dad at that point but there was no way in hell she would have gone so far from her brother. It was practically hammered into our heads before (and after) that scene that he is basically anchor and whom she turns to for comfort. She would have in all likelyhood asked him to take her somewhere to pee while dad had to wait by the car.

Last edited by RocShemp; 07-02-05 at 08:48 AM.
Old 07-02-05 | 08:44 AM
  #227  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 3,583
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Virginia Beach, VA USA
Originally Posted by jaeufraser
I don't mean to insult, but your version is by far the standard formula Hollywood ending. Spielberg's fit the tone of the film, and even though yes the reunion was a little oft putting, it was short and to the point, hardly drawn out. But the lack of bombast and huge battle scenes that lose the main characters I think works very much in the films favor.
...

Of course it's a standard hollywood ending. And it would've worked because this is basically the first half of a standard hollywood disaster pic. It's like SS remade the first part of ID4 and took it to the next level. Great. But it's still a standard hollywood disaster pic. You can't just ramp up and ramp up and ramp up and then leave the audience with an ending like that. SS can do both types of movies, Shindlers List, had a wonderful ending. But so did Private Ryan. And did that movie just end abruptly when Ryan showed up?

Just because SS did something 'different' doesnt mean it was good. Just because he 'stayed true to the book' doesnt mean it was good. And actually, he basically tossed out the book until the ending, so this whole 'True to the book' nonsense is nonsense.

Keeping close to characters is great. But the friggin WORLD is getting destroyed. At some point, I want to see that. I want to see the big fruitless battles. Why couldn't he have done both?
Old 07-02-05 | 08:46 AM
  #228  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 42,159
Received 1,449 Likes on 1,125 Posts
Originally Posted by naitram
I disagree. I get sick of sitting through movies where you know what is going to happen, you're just plodding through the process and buildup. I had no idea how this would be concluded until the very end, and I like that.
Don't get me wrong, I found it easy to follow. Hell, the narrator and opening animation gave away the ending right off the bat anyway. My suggestion was merely a way to make the ending more palatable to the general audiences that mistakenly thought of it as a cop-out.
Old 07-02-05 | 10:33 AM
  #229  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,863
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Earth
not that i really care much (since i had little desire to see it anyway) but you might want to spoilerize the post where the ending to Signs is given away (or atleast how the aliens are defeated)
Old 07-02-05 | 10:37 AM
  #230  
Mopower's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 15,725
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: The Janitor's closet in Kinnick Stadium
Originally Posted by Derrich
Keeping close to characters is great. But the friggin WORLD is getting destroyed. At some point, I want to see that. I want to see the big fruitless battles. Why couldn't he have done both?

Because the whole movie is from Ray's prospective. We only know what he knows. That's why there are so many questions unanswered about the aliens. It's refreashing that SS chose to tell the story that way. Instead of having another ID4 like you want.
Old 07-02-05 | 10:46 AM
  #231  
Giantrobo's Avatar
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 65,294
Received 2,699 Likes on 1,600 Posts
From: Gateway Cities/Harbor Region
Originally Posted by RocShemp
Re-read my post. I actually found the part of her wanting her mom believable. What I don't find believable was the cutesy "don't look as I pee" scene. Either she would have pissed herself or found somewhere close to the car (like behind an open door) to piss. This scene was made worse by her practically going to hell's end to take a piss. I know there was no love lost between her and her dad at that point but there was no way in hell she would have gone so far from her brother. It was practically hammered into our heads before (and after) that scene that he is basically anchor and whom she turns to for comfort. She would have in all likelyhood asked him to take her somewhere to pee while dad had to wait by the car.
Hmmmm. I don't know. While I suppose you have a point, I still don't have any problems with anything she did or the way she did it....
Old 07-02-05 | 10:50 AM
  #232  
Giantrobo's Avatar
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 65,294
Received 2,699 Likes on 1,600 Posts
From: Gateway Cities/Harbor Region
Originally Posted by Mopower
Because the whole movie is from Ray's prospective. We only know what he knows. That's why there are so many questions unanswered about the aliens. It's refreashing that SS chose to tell the story that way. Instead of having another ID4 like you want.

Right. Over the years I've heard many people, Roger Ebert in particular, bitch about how today's movies "tell us everything". So we get WotW were many things are still a mystery and people complain about that too.

You simply can't make everyone happy.
Old 07-02-05 | 12:25 PM
  #233  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,496
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I give it a 10/10. Second favorite movie of all time. Can't wait to see it again,and the november DVD release(s)!
Old 07-02-05 | 03:45 PM
  #234  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 4,551
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Derrich
Of course it's a standard hollywood ending. And it would've worked because this is basically the first half of a standard hollywood disaster pic. It's like SS remade the first part of ID4 and took it to the next level. Great. But it's still a standard hollywood disaster pic. You can't just ramp up and ramp up and ramp up and then leave the audience with an ending like that. SS can do both types of movies, Shindlers List, had a wonderful ending. But so did Private Ryan. And did that movie just end abruptly when Ryan showed up?

Just because SS did something 'different' doesnt mean it was good. Just because he 'stayed true to the book' doesnt mean it was good. And actually, he basically tossed out the book until the ending, so this whole 'True to the book' nonsense is nonsense.

Keeping close to characters is great. But the friggin WORLD is getting destroyed. At some point, I want to see that. I want to see the big fruitless battles. Why couldn't he have done both?

Because at no point in his film was his movie about that. Your standard Hollywood disaster film is about multiple characters in a disaster situation. This film was NEVER like that. You can call the beginning your standard Hollywood formula, but its not. Save for explosions and destruction, it still remained a focused story about one family, and never cut away to otehr things happeneing. Obviously this didn't work for you, but you're gonna have a hard time convincing me this is inherently a bad thing. Just because it doesn't show everybody else doesn't make it inherently bad either. If you think the story of this family's survival was done badly, that's a complaint. Saying the movie sucked for not doing something it never intended to I think is a bit off though. I personally think it'd be a betrayal to the rest of the film, and a complete sidetrack if all of a sudden the camera pulled up and started focusing on things outside the main story we had been with for the last hour and 45 minutes. To each their own, but I think you've got your Hollywood formulas mixed up. I mean, how could you confuse the first half of this film with ID4??? Tehy're nothing alike save for things blowing up. Where were the multiple characters, the landmarks blowing up, the view of the world and this affecting people all over? THAT'S ID4, and that's your standard disaster formula (Deep Impact, Towering Inferno, Earthquake, Volcano, Dante's Peak). Thsi isn't like those films at all. This movie has more in common with The Pianist in its structure then those films. Like that movie, it's all about survival, and not about destruction for multitudes of character, then solution. No, this is a straight up survival picture.

And also, he obviously did not toss out the book until the end. Many of the scenes are adapted from the book all through the movie. It's actually a fairly faithful adaptation to be honest even though it is also quite different on many levels. Plot wise it stays pretty close to the book though.

Last edited by jaeufraser; 07-02-05 at 03:48 PM.
Old 07-02-05 | 09:19 PM
  #235  
dadaluholla's Avatar
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,491
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Wilmington, OH
I just got back from seeing this tonight and I thought it was awful. The effects were good and the first attacks were kinda cool, but it felt like there was an hour of movie left out. They got attacked, they ran and hid and walked and hid and ran and ran etc, etc, etc, etc, then oh look the aliens are dead, movie over. I was really looking forward to this movie and that was seriously my biggest disappointment of the year so far.
Old 07-02-05 | 09:22 PM
  #236  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 2,760
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
From: Austin, Texas
I thought it may be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I am amazed that Speilberg and Cruise have let me down by epic proportions. I had no idea it was going to be "War of the Basement."
Old 07-02-05 | 10:22 PM
  #237  
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,982
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The word terrorists is mentioned twice in the movie.
I was shocked to hear those words since S.S. edited it out of the E.T. dvd.

I liked that this movie was so serious instead of joking around like in ID4.
When the world is getting distroyed the average person is goona act like Tom Cruise not Will Smith's wisecracks.
Old 07-02-05 | 11:14 PM
  #238  
JumpCutz's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,540
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: south of heaven
Way, way better than ID4.

I mean come on.

This film has some of the most incredible imagery I've seen all year.
The sound design is just spectacular.



Sure, it's far from perfect, and the 3rd act seems somewhat truncated, but in my eyes it far surpasses ROTS or any other 'action' film this summer.
Old 07-02-05 | 11:18 PM
  #239  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 8,085
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Phoenix
Originally Posted by thelwig14
I thought it may be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I am amazed that Speilberg and Cruise have let me down by epic proportions. I had no idea it was going to be "War of the Basement."
I love it when people declare these films to be "one of the worst movies I have ever seen". You're so cool.
Old 07-02-05 | 11:23 PM
  #240  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 12,306
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
i liked it.
Old 07-02-05 | 11:24 PM
  #241  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,669
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: detroit, MI, USA
I'm glad there are enough Talkers here who liked the movie to justify my full-priced ticket.

I was really disappointed. The beginning was pretty cool. I wasn't in love with the effects. Some of Tom's running scenes just screamed green screen, not acceptable in this caliber of movie. Aliens looked reminiscent of the ones in ID4. Some of the outdoors scenes screamed sound stage to me. Dakota Fanning has surpassed Haley Joel as most annoying child actor in my book. Sorry, the constant escaping of Tom's character - heck at several points he has ash on his face from the blasting of people on either side, this was annoying. The super-faulty alien probe that apparently can't see in it's blind spot allowing people to hide in the basement is one of several other nitpicks. Good to see Tim Robbin's character was resurrected from the Mystic River to reprise his performance in a sci-fi setting (is this guy really from Boston?) I didn't connect with the story, the family, the son should be dead period.[spoiler]

I cannot eloquently defend my dislike of this movie as many Talkers feel one should. Why can't we just like or dislike something without going into intense debate. Makes you feel like you need to take a serious collegate debate class, sometimes you just hate or like a movie and you can't put your finger on why. I didn't read any reviews, any Talk threads, but I left this movie unsatisfied.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be "that girl". I don't spend $10 of hard-earned cash to not like a movie. I love Tom, I love Steven, I loved Minority Report, I did not like War (and neither did gmal2003 - so there's another "that guy").

But seriously, the majority of you guys liking it reaffirms my love for the variety that exists in this world. It would be boring if everyone liked everything all of the time.

Last edited by iggystar; 07-02-05 at 11:28 PM.
Old 07-02-05 | 11:33 PM
  #242  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 19,875
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Aostin, TX, USA
Originally Posted by thelwig14
I thought it may be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I am amazed that Speilberg and Cruise have let me down by epic proportions. I had no idea it was going to be "War of the Basement."
I felt the EXACT same way about The Diary of Anne Frank. That was 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.
Old 07-03-05 | 12:02 AM
  #243  
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 7,982
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
LAND OF THE DEAD should get as much negative remarks as WAR OF THE WORLDS has in this thread. That's 90minutes of my life I want back!
Old 07-03-05 | 12:35 AM
  #244  
LorenzoL's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 23,722
Received 462 Likes on 374 Posts
From: Ontario, Canada
Watched the movie tonight and liked it a lot.

Like some of you, I was not expecting the movie to be this dark coming from Spielberg but damm, this movie had some terrifying and disturbing scenes.

Maybe the reason why I liked it so much is because for once, in this type of alien invasion movies, they concentrate in the "little" guy point of view instead of the President, scientist or military type persons.
Old 07-03-05 | 03:02 AM
  #245  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 46,642
Received 1,376 Likes on 1,080 Posts
Bad ending, rest of the movie was pretty damn good.

Basically, this was an indie family flick... just set to the backdrop of a violent alien invasion. A few things didn't really seem to fit, but made for some incredible imagery. And the non-family aspect of the ending was handled quite well.

Quite good, I must say.

Edit: I was also a huge fan of the way it was shot, it was almost like a documentary at times - constantly focusing in on Cruise's characters - how he reacts and what those around him do. I loved the fact they didn't sell out for the wide shots of massive cities being destroyed and kept everything in prespective. Gave the flick a far eerier feel than any alien flick I've seen before it. I'm guessing people disliked it more based on expectation than as a full on movie itself - though I could be wrong. As it did turn into a more personalized movie and not what it could have been... Half-Life 2: The Movie.

Last edited by RichC2; 07-03-05 at 03:29 AM.
Old 07-03-05 | 03:24 AM
  #246  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,809
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
From: Carrollton, Ga
I saw it tonight, and liked it a lot. However, the film was riddled with leaps in logic and some plot holes.

****1/2
Old 07-03-05 | 03:45 AM
  #247  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 485
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Orlando, FL
Originally Posted by LorenzoL
Maybe the reason why I liked it so much is because for once, in this type of alien invasion movies, they concentrate in the "little" guy point of view instead of the President, scientist or military type persons.
For once? Did you see Signs?
Old 07-03-05 | 07:54 AM
  #248  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 25,295
Likes: 0
Received 51 Likes on 40 Posts
From: Hail to the Redskins!
Saw it last night. I thought it was okay. Pretty much your standard big-budget Sci-Fi. It had it's annoying movie moments - hero escaping despite improbable odds, little girl / stupid woman doing her best to get everyone killed, impossible detection scenarios. But the point of these movies aren't realism - they are fun. This is a fun movie, but it's not anything more. And Cruise was suprising bad in terms of acting in this movie.
Old 07-03-05 | 08:07 AM
  #249  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 12,135
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Times Square
Originally Posted by iggystar
Good to see Tim Robbin's character was resurrected from the Mystic River to reprise his performance in a sci-fi setting ...
Yeah, right .... same motivations, back stories, situations and character development.

That sort of statement makes me believe that you didn't understand either movie.

EDIT: Ok, I'll admit he was tall in both movies.

Last edited by marty888; 07-03-05 at 08:11 AM.
Old 07-03-05 | 08:40 AM
  #250  
LorenzoL's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 23,722
Received 462 Likes on 374 Posts
From: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted by RogueScribner
For once? Did you see Signs?
No, I didn't.


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.