King Kong trailer/teaser?
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Originally Posted by chess
Fair enough, but I wouldn't call it baggage. If he'd done something on a bigger scale, I would have been more enthusiastic, but it looks to me like Kong is only 20-25 feet tall.
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I know I'll probably get some flack for this, but I'm going to come out and say it...
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Originally Posted by Joe Molotov


I think he looks about the right size. If you make him too much bigger, it would be hard for him to clutch Ann in his hand the way he does.
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So, the fact that I remember him being bigger doesn't necessarily make it so. Thanks for the correction.
He still looks about 10 feet short to me and Jack Black remains utterly impossible to take seriously.
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It was a decent trailer/teaser. Not the best I've ever seen (this year), but certainly didn't turn me against the idea of seeing the movie.
I think it has (for me) a feel of been there/done that. I'm getting major The Lost World/Mummy Returns/Might Joe Young vibe...not the best vibes to have. I know all these films (maybe not Mummy) were influence by the original Kong, but still not feeling the super love I felt for the Batman or Star Wars trailer. Honestly, the Transporter 2 trailer I saw yesterday had me more jazzed.
I think it has (for me) a feel of been there/done that. I'm getting major The Lost World/Mummy Returns/Might Joe Young vibe...not the best vibes to have. I know all these films (maybe not Mummy) were influence by the original Kong, but still not feeling the super love I felt for the Batman or Star Wars trailer. Honestly, the Transporter 2 trailer I saw yesterday had me more jazzed.
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Just look at any of the LOTR trailer effects shots (especially army shots) and compare them to the finished product. You'll see noticeable differences.
Studios have no choice but to use unfinished effects shots for advance trailers for big FX movies (unless they want to sit on the finished move for months.) These kind of movies aren't completed until the last possible minute: up until then the FX guys iterate and polish as much as they can. Kong is still about four months away from its drop-dead date, and that's a long time in the world of digital FX. Check out any of the LOTR effects commentaries--they'll confirm what Cygnet said.
Studios have no choice but to use unfinished effects shots for advance trailers for big FX movies (unless they want to sit on the finished move for months.) These kind of movies aren't completed until the last possible minute: up until then the FX guys iterate and polish as much as they can. Kong is still about four months away from its drop-dead date, and that's a long time in the world of digital FX. Check out any of the LOTR effects commentaries--they'll confirm what Cygnet said.
Originally Posted by DealMan
You know, every time a trailer for a movie comes out that has iffy fx shots everyone always says similar stuff, but i've never seen it improve from a trailer to the feature. Trailers for Hulk, Spider-man, etc, had the exact same shots from the trailer---->film.
And I think you're underestimating the importance of a trailer for a big blockbuster movie. I highly doubt the studio would allow crappy unfinished sfx shots into a trailer since they know early buzz can make or break a movie like this.
I'm willing to bet those are the exact scenes that you'll be seeing in theaters this december. That being said I'll still be there opening weekend.
And I think you're underestimating the importance of a trailer for a big blockbuster movie. I highly doubt the studio would allow crappy unfinished sfx shots into a trailer since they know early buzz can make or break a movie like this.
I'm willing to bet those are the exact scenes that you'll be seeing in theaters this december. That being said I'll still be there opening weekend.
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
If that's a finished shot, then the concerns about the F/X are warranted...that's a pretty unimpressive scene, given the state of technology in 2005. That shot would have been "iffy" 10 years ago.
While this movie shouldn't be ABOUT the quality of the F/X, if the F/X aren't at least somewhat "believable", the whole movie is going to sink.
Someone in this thread or another on the Net said this could be another "Godzilla" (the 1998 remake)...I'm starting to lean this way as well. That was another movie where the poor F/X totally took the audience out of getting into the story (which was pretty bad too, I think most will agree).
While this movie shouldn't be ABOUT the quality of the F/X, if the F/X aren't at least somewhat "believable", the whole movie is going to sink.
Someone in this thread or another on the Net said this could be another "Godzilla" (the 1998 remake)...I'm starting to lean this way as well. That was another movie where the poor F/X totally took the audience out of getting into the story (which was pretty bad too, I think most will agree).
I for one have never been a detractor of CG effects. I for one love them, and when used well enjoy the hell out of them. And when I say use them well, I don't mean perfcet technical integration so that one cannot tell reality from the other. Quite frankly, any truly outlandish CG like dinos and monsters and alien landscapes have always been quite easy to pick out, at least for me, but it's the quality composition, the good storytelling, the good design that means the most to me. To each their own though.
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Am I the only person who didn't have a problem with Jack Black? Seemed to me like he was doing a pretty straightforward job of what he is supposed to do, and that's be a fast talking Hollywood filmmaker from the 30s. I think that like the idea of the re-make itself, his casting just rubbed people the wrong way and regardless of whether or not he does a decent job in the role, people will not let that negativity go on hold.
FWIW, I remember not having very positive feelings about LOTR:FOTR until I saw the final trailer that was released in October of 2001. The first teaser for that in January '01 looked like a bunch of random footage with unfinished FX work thrown together, and I wasn't that stoked. I am a little more stoked by this, as it seems a hair above FOTR's original teaser.
I will say there is no way in my mind that this will be better than the 1933 version, but this preview already has me convinced that it will blow the 1976 remake out of the water. Would being better than the '76 version be considered an accomplishment?
FWIW, I remember not having very positive feelings about LOTR:FOTR until I saw the final trailer that was released in October of 2001. The first teaser for that in January '01 looked like a bunch of random footage with unfinished FX work thrown together, and I wasn't that stoked. I am a little more stoked by this, as it seems a hair above FOTR's original teaser.
I will say there is no way in my mind that this will be better than the 1933 version, but this preview already has me convinced that it will blow the 1976 remake out of the water. Would being better than the '76 version be considered an accomplishment?
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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Am I the only person who didn't have a problem with Jack Black? Seemed to me like he was doing a pretty straightforward job of what he is supposed to do, and that's be a fast talking Hollywood filmmaker from the 30s. I think that like the idea of the re-make itself, his casting just rubbed people the wrong way and regardless of whether or not he does a decent job in the role, people will not let that negativity go on hold.
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A couple of high res screen caps. If that's crappy CG, well then color me a fan of it cause that's beautiful in my opinion. I can't wait to see this thing.
As for Jack Black...he doesn't bother me at all. Though I enjoy his comedy I must say.
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/images/kkt/kk1b.jpg
A couple of high res screen caps. If that's crappy CG, well then color me a fan of it cause that's beautiful in my opinion. I can't wait to see this thing.
As for Jack Black...he doesn't bother me at all. Though I enjoy his comedy I must say.
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Originally Posted by jaeufraser
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/images/kkt/kk2b.jpg
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/images/kkt/kk1b.jpg
A couple of high res screen caps. If that's crappy CG, well then color me a fan of it cause that's beautiful in my opinion. I can't wait to see this thing.
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/images/kkt/kk1b.jpg
A couple of high res screen caps. If that's crappy CG, well then color me a fan of it cause that's beautiful in my opinion. I can't wait to see this thing.
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A couple of high res screen caps. If that's crappy CG, well then color me a fan of it cause that's beautiful in my opinion.
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#115
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
I also thought his performance in the trailer was good. It seems to me that the people who think it was smarmy or out-of place are having trouble dissasociating him from his previous roles, or even his public persona.
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I think Jack Black is a great actor, but he's more suited for comedy and he should have done at least a drama BEFORE he did this movie. This would have let audiences including myself take him more seriously. The last movies were what, Anchorman and Envy? Not the kind of character role you want to convey going over to a PJ film.
Robert De Niro would have been my choice for this movie. Jack Black's character is too young, and just seems like a teenager.
But I may change my mind once I see the movie. I rarely do, but I might.
The trailer overall was good though.
Robert De Niro would have been my choice for this movie. Jack Black's character is too young, and just seems like a teenager.
But I may change my mind once I see the movie. I rarely do, but I might.
The trailer overall was good though.
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As I said before, if you watch the original and are familar with the character that Black is playing, it's not at all a "serious" roll. It's actually very good casting.
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Originally Posted by Joe Molotov
I'm sold. 

WOW!!! The work on those sure ain't shoddy. I seem to remember Hulk's FX being rather weak whenever it showed him in full, but the face shots were very impressive. Seems to be the case here as well.
#119
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I thought the trailer looked great! Kong looks a lot like Mighty Joe Young from the 1996 movie (which I really liked), but the atmosphere of the film is totally different.
I'm not a big fan of the Lord of the Rings movies, so all I came into this expecting was technical proficience in creating the visuals. I had serious reservations about the casting of Jack Black in the Carl Denham role - I thought he was too young and too geared towards comedy, but what do you know? I actually bought into the bits of his performance from the trailer. He seems to be channelling just a bit of the Robert Armstrong performance from the original movie - just enough to make his performance work. Maybe he's not too young after all. There were a LOT of filmmakers in their late 20's and early 30's back then (the 1930's), so maybe casting him was actually a stroke of sick genius. We'll know for sure when the movie comes out.
I am really looking forward to this movie now.
Like I said, I had reservations before, but now I'm more optimistic. Hell, at first I didn't even see the point of remaking Kong - but since the 1976 movie was so flawed, and the original was so beautifully primitive in its groundbreaking effects (in other words - it was BRILLIANT in 1933, and still holds up fairly well today, but it does still look like stop motion animation) when you consider that the abilities of filmmakers and FX people is so much more advanced today this story was just begging to be remade.
I'm not a big fan of the Lord of the Rings movies, so all I came into this expecting was technical proficience in creating the visuals. I had serious reservations about the casting of Jack Black in the Carl Denham role - I thought he was too young and too geared towards comedy, but what do you know? I actually bought into the bits of his performance from the trailer. He seems to be channelling just a bit of the Robert Armstrong performance from the original movie - just enough to make his performance work. Maybe he's not too young after all. There were a LOT of filmmakers in their late 20's and early 30's back then (the 1930's), so maybe casting him was actually a stroke of sick genius. We'll know for sure when the movie comes out.
I am really looking forward to this movie now.
Like I said, I had reservations before, but now I'm more optimistic. Hell, at first I didn't even see the point of remaking Kong - but since the 1976 movie was so flawed, and the original was so beautifully primitive in its groundbreaking effects (in other words - it was BRILLIANT in 1933, and still holds up fairly well today, but it does still look like stop motion animation) when you consider that the abilities of filmmakers and FX people is so much more advanced today this story was just begging to be remade.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
I have no problems with Jack Black either, but I wasn't too impressed with this trailer.
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Okay, maybe GODZILLA wasn't the best example (although I disagree with those who claim the effects were "good" in that flick), but the point I was trying to make is that if you have a decent story, but special effects that "take you out" of a movie because they are distractingly bad (or bad for the year the film is being released), it's going to affect your overall enjoyment of the picture.
Yes, JAWS had a fake looking shark, but that worked in 1975. Release JAWS today with the same effects, and people are going to laugh it right out of the theater...that's my concern with the new KING KONG.
Yes, JAWS had a fake looking shark, but that worked in 1975. Release JAWS today with the same effects, and people are going to laugh it right out of the theater...that's my concern with the new KING KONG.
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Taking the effects out of the equation, I felt the tone was too light. Now, whether that matches up with the film as a whole remains to be seen. If everything's played for laughs the monsters aren't going to have much of an impact no matter how they look imo. I was hoping Kong would be more than a Stephen Sommers type film, but if it is I'm sure it'll be a fun ride. I'll just have to adjust my expectations going in.
Those high rez pics look great. But again, I'm looking more at atmosphere and 'feeling' and that can be hard to get from a trailer.
Out of curiosity, who cut the LOTR's trailers?
Those high rez pics look great. But again, I'm looking more at atmosphere and 'feeling' and that can be hard to get from a trailer.
Out of curiosity, who cut the LOTR's trailers?
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Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
Okay, maybe GODZILLA wasn't the best example (although I disagree with those who claim the effects were "good" in that flick), but the point I was trying to make is that if you have a decent story, but special effects that "take you out" of a movie because they are distractingly bad (or bad for the year the film is being released), it's going to affect your overall enjoyment of the picture.
Yes, JAWS had a fake looking shark, but that worked in 1975. Release JAWS today with the same effects, and people are going to laugh it right out of the theater...that's my concern with the new KING KONG.
Yes, JAWS had a fake looking shark, but that worked in 1975. Release JAWS today with the same effects, and people are going to laugh it right out of the theater...that's my concern with the new KING KONG.
Now, I suppose I could understand that some people might not think this looks that great, SFX wise. I don't see it, but ok. But I can't buy the idea that the stuff in this trailer is so bad people are going to laugh at it.
So, I can't tell anyone what's distractingly bad. I personally don't prescribe to the idea that if it's not up to the level of the year, then it's going to take me out of the movie. Actually, I don't understand it at all. These effects have never looked as good as some claim. Jurassic Park was never uber real, I could always pick out the CG shots if I wanted to think about it.
But whatever...this is PJ's dream project, and I've little doubt it'll be good.
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While Kong still looks too tame IMO, he looks a lot better than the grinning idiot they turned him into in the 1976 version. The scars lend some realism to it, like he's spent his whole life having to fight off dinos.
I liked the way the 1933 version portrayed him as a feral creature, and PJ's 1996 script didn't paint him as a very sympathetic creature. Don't know if its retained for this one or a true spoiler, but
In all honesty, if Ann develops feelings for Kong in this one, then giving him that past would not really make much since.
I liked the way the 1933 version portrayed him as a feral creature, and PJ's 1996 script didn't paint him as a very sympathetic creature. Don't know if its retained for this one or a true spoiler, but
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