I like that. Yoda is the wisest man of the galaxy. Sure we assume that he is referring to Leia, but he could very well be referring to Anakin. "From a certain point of view."

Obi and Yoda could very well have taken a midichlorian count before sending the babes on their way to see who to watch over. Bail jumps on Leia, but maybe Yoda and Ben knew that Luke had the higher count and that is why Obi-wan personally watched over him and left Leia to a Senator with no one to look after her.

On another note, Leia did seem to connect to family when it comes to the force. She remembers "images and feelings" from Padme and she feels Luke is ok after Death Star II blows up.

Leia was not trained at that stage, who knows when she was going to get trained.

It might have been, had they gone with the original plan and had a love triangle involving Luke, Leia and Han. As it stands in the films, there's nothing problematic left in them. Any instance of a relationship or possible relationship between Luke and Leia was trimmed out. Other than the swing across the chasm in the Death Star, Luke and Leia don't even have a conversation until Return of the Jedi when he tells her who she is. Only time Luke even shows interest in her is in Star Wars when he asks Han what he thinks of her, and that scene is just to set up that Han kind of likes her.

I've always maintained that the Luke Leia sibling thing was created to resolve a storyline they forgot had been cut out in the first place. Luke's on his own path and never could have gotten with Leia.

I think he was referring to Anakin as well. Besides I always thought it was pretty clear that Leia wasn't strong with the force otherwise Vader would've known something was up with her when he saw her.

No he's referring to Leia. Obi-wan made the same error you are making. Obi-wan thought Luke had to defeat the Emperor. Yoda recognized that Anakin was still the chosen one, Luke was not sent to defeat the Emperor, but to "defeat" Vader by restoring Anakin who could still restore the balance.

I think jim_cook87 has it. Neither child was powerful enough to vanquish Vader. Luke was a redeemer, if you will, for Anakin. By breaking through Anakin's guise as Vader, Luke was able to help his father fullfill his destiny.

uh, it's a plot device? At that time in the films we didn't know Luke and Leia were related.

Hell, at that time Lucas didn't know they were related.

eh, I doubt that. Escape from Cloud City gave a pretty good hint of Luke and Leia's telepathic link while at the same time proving it wasn't due to romantic love (since Leia loved Han). I think that was solid brickwork for the idea that Luke and Leia were siblings.

Yes, and the big fat kiss shown in the Hoth scene definitely laid the foundations for "Luke-Leia Taboo 3"

No it didn't. Watch it again. They weren't making out. She kissed Luke (closed mouth) to piss off Han. She doesn't even talk to Luke in that scene (or the entire movie, for that matter). It's all directed at Han.

I've seen guys kiss for a joke like that. Doesn't make them gay. Just shows a sense of humor. Han and Leia are on the poster in an embrace, fer chrissake.

I've said it before, Luke and Leia barely say two words to each other until the moment he tells her they are siblings. Other than "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper," and " Quick, we've got to get across. Find the control that extends the bridge," she doesn't speak to Luke in Star Wars. He blows up the Death Star and she STILL only talks to Han ("I knew there was more to you than money")! In Empire Strikes Back, her entire dialog to Luke is "It's a trap!"

People imagine what they want to see. The hero always gets the girl, so everyone assumes Luke will get Leia. I'm not going to say that it wasn't intended, because it in fact was. The radioplay version sets it up, I think the novel might (been a while since I read it), and an earlier version of Empire sets it up. But they cut all that out. There's nothing left that even hints at taboo. Closest is Luke kind of having the hots for her in Star Wars ("What do you think of her?" "I'm trying not to." "Good."). The next line shows that the whole exchange was purely to set up Han's interest, though. It's all formula.

Anyway, there's absolutely nothing to the Hoth kiss but what you bring to it. I know it's easy to go, "ewww," but I'm telling you, it's not there.

Now, if you read the part they cut out my whole argument goes up in flames. There WAS a scene that did in fact hint at something going on between the two of them. They cut it out because they were sending Luke off on his own path to become a Jedi and if he'd lost Leia to Han, he would have come off looking like a loser rather than a hero. The audience would have been aching for Luke to leave his training early so he could get the girl. This might have been an interesting parallel with Anakin, because he DID compromise his training to get the girl. This wasn't planned out in 1980, so they cut the scene and allowed Luke to follow his destiny unemcumbered by romance and allowed Han and Leia to become a couple.

Cutting the scene left it open for them to be able to make Luke and Leia siblings. The psychic connection also hinted at it, but not absolutely. Luke is a Force user. He could have communicated with anyone, possibly. The simplest explanation is usually the best. He was just closer to Leia than anyone else (that wasn't frozen in Carbonite). What's he going to do? Psychically call for Chewbacca? He's not going to call out to Han because the screenwriters know that would look silly. "Han, hear me now!" Then a shot of frozen Han's face?

They didn't want Luke to look like a complete geek for becoming a Jedi instead of going for Leia. Providence had left it open by cutting out the Luke Leia romantic scenes in the previous movies and even that psychic connection helped things along. They made Luke and Leia brother and sister.

There is nothing left in Empire Strikes Back to even hint as taboo.

Give me a break. You are minimizing the kiss because it doesn't fit your nice little theories. If another guy tried to kiss me like that, he would be on the ground.

Of course, it was meant to be a joke at Hahn;s expense. Doesn't change the fact that it was a romantic kiss and not a kiss shared between people who think they are siblings. Just check out Luke's reaction to it afterwords.

And remeber it was Luke who got all hot to trot after seeing the hologram of Leia! "She's beautiful" Thats what got his ass off that desert planet.

How can it be a joke at Han's expense and a romantic kiss at the same time?

As for Luke and the hologram...really, how much detail do you think he saw. For one thing, it was a bad hologram. For another, she had all those robes or whatever. It's not like he saw it in THX approved anamorphic digital WS where Leia wore nothing but a thong. It was a poor quality hologram, and he was an ill experienced FARM BOY. He wasn't excited about her specifically, he was excited about the prospect of ANY female.

What got Luke off Tatooine was the fact his aunt and uncle were killed and he wanted off that rock anyway. Rescuing a princess and learning the way of the Force is just icing on the cake. Of course he thought she was beautiful. He didn't know who she was. That's a long way from incest. Otherwise, Star Wars is pretty sexless. It's all setup. Han and Luke's conversation could have setup a rivalry, except that it doesn't go anywhere. Nothing happens in the rest of Star Wars; they go right to destroying the Death Star. Now we can go the Empire Strikes Back. So, other than the kiss, which I maintain is a joke, where else in the entire film is it even hinted that Luke and Leia might end up together? Luke heads to Dagobah right away and doesn't see Leia until the end of the film, after she's declared her love for Han.

What this is is residual from Star Wars. Viewers saw the playful rivalry set up between Luke and Han and assumed they would compete for Leia. They saw the kiss and thought, hmm, maybe there's something. Then it is DROPPED. The rest of the movie (before and after the kiss) sets up Han with Leia. When we get to Jedi and find out that Luke and Leia are siblings, we think back, "What about that kiss?!" Going back to the film, it turns out we were duped. There IS nothing around the kiss. Leia has her moment with Han before the kiss, shocks Han with a closed mouth kiss to his best friend, then she goes off with Han and they fall in love officially. There's nothing at all happening with Luke! It's just not there. This isn't pulled out of my ass like "Palpatine is a clone". It's all there on screen. The fact Luke and Leia don't have a single conversation should be enough. A chaste kiss between two friends to rile the true object of affection is NOT INCEST.

Now, there was a scene cut just prior to that which DID involve a near romantic kiss. I fully acknowledge that when pen was put to paper, they DID originally want Luke and Leia to be a possibility (because they weren't siblings yet-Darth Vader not recognizing Leia's Force presence while torturing her is enough for me). I'm just saying that it was cut and all references to it were cut. Simple basic screenwriting. They wanted Luke to go to become a Jedi and they couldn't have the audience antsy that Han was making time with Luke's girlfriend while he was "in school." The audience is supposed to root for Luke to stay until he sacrifices it to go and save his friends from death. There's a different vibe than Luke leaving Yoda to go and fight Han for Leia's hand.

So, Luke and Leia were briefly considered by the screenwriters of Empire Strikes Back until they decided that Luke had his own path to follow, so they cut out any reference to a romantic coupling.

The "other" was Leia. Cause Yoda mentions it to Obi Wan in ESB, then again to Luke in ROTJ, then Obi Wan clarifies to Luke.

Obi-Wan was just being realistic. If you've got twins boy and a girl and you want one of them to be President of the USA only one of them has a real chance. Along with being a professional football player, and many other professions. Jedi business is man business.

Well it may very well have been that the Jedi were sexists. In the PT movies, did any of the female Jedi so much as utter a single word while present in the Council (or at any point in the films)? No, cos women Jedi are to be seen, not heard.

I don't see any problem with their kiss. Luke didn't know it was his sister. If you were a young man meeting a beautiful woman for the first time why wouldn't you be attracted to her? So he wanted her, who cares? She ultimately fell in love with Han.

I'm not even saying I'm absolutely right, but I'm just honestly amazed that rather than accept a simple explanation for what is actually observable in the film (that the kiss was to tease Han and there is nothing between Luke and Leia, whether or not he thought she was pretty in the first movie), that people would rather believe that Lucas has put in a big incest element in what are ultimately children's films. This isn't Oedipus.

In 1977 Lucas may or may not have known if Luke and Leia were sisters. But he definately knew in ESB. Cause Leia turns the ship around to rescue Luke.

That isn't definitive proof. There's nothing to say Luke couldn't have done that to anyone. He only has 2 friends in the entire saga, so he had to call to one of them and Han was frozen. What, is he going to call to Chewbacca? He hadn't met Lando. Leia was the only one left. I've already posted what Kurtz said concerning the plans for the saga prior to his and Lucas' breakup prior to Jedi. They were going to introduce Luke's sister later in the third trilogy. That was the original "other". When they decided to end at 6 films, Leia was the only other character in the movies so they had to make it her.

Has it ever been proven that Jedis can use the force to communicate with anyone? I don't recall it ever happening.

Just like Leia felt Luke, Luke felt that Vader is his dad at the end of ROTJ.

Also, Leia feels Luke is ok in ROTJ when Death Star II blows up.

Anything in ROTJ doesn't count. That's the movie in which they said they were siblings and offspring. Even I'm not going to debate that they hadn't decided by the end of the movie all that stuff.

To prove something one way or the other, we need a control. If there were eight main characters and Luke picked Leia to communicate with, then we might have an answer. But there ARE no characters other than Leia. Han is frozen, Chewie is a glorified pet, he doesn't know Lando. Earlier drafts had BEN tell Leia to get Luke. We can't draw a definitive conclusion that one needs to be related to communicate through the Force.

What really throws a wrench in it is why didn't Vader sense Leia? He tortured her in Star Wars, sat down for dinner with her in Empire and STILL never sensed who she was?

I know I'm going to sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm not. There WAS a scene just before the kiss in Empire where Luke confessed his feelings for Leia and then they almost kiss. Just before contact is made, C3P0 walks in and interupts the moment. It was filmed and everything because there is a picture. I have a hard time believing that they would have written in an obvious incestual scene if they intended Luke and Leia to be siblings. That is proof enough for me. Here's the scene:
http://www.starwarscutscenes.com/episode5/mask.html

My argument all along has been that they cut all references to Luke and Leia because it didn't work in the story. The audience would have sided against Han and wanted Luke to leave his training early to be with Leia. Lucas has been pretty clear in his new movies that a Jedi is supposed to not be afraid to let things go to become a Jedi. He started to set Luke and Leia and Han up as a possible love triangle in Star Wars, but there was no room in the story for romance so that was moved off until Empire. Empire was going to have it continue, but Luke had his own path, so they edited everything suggesting that and went fully with Han and Leia. When they got to Return of the Jedi, they had this hanging thread that had never really been developed so to completely snip it, they made Leia Luke's sister so that we didn't feel bad that Luke missed out on Leia and Han won. Remember, this isn't real life, it's a screenplay and they had to have it work as a screenplay. It's all formula. Watch Star Wars and Empire again and pay attention to how they get Han and Leia together. It's right out of a Julia Roberts movie. Luke was there to set up a brief bit of obstacle, but he has his own story (he's going to be a Jedi, who never get the girls). Han and Leia meet cute, quarrel, then fall madly in love. It never sets up anything serious with Luke and Leia.

Can all these clues be interpeted the other way from what I argue? Sure, but the only way this DOESN'T work the way I have suggested is if you want to believe Lucas was a pervert and intended to have incestuous relations in the trilogy. People want to believe that Lucas wrote himself into a corner and came up with a stupid idea that makes what came before sordid and gross. Once one looks more closely at the movies, then the whole incest angle falls like a house of cards. It's just not there. It was cut out. The one scene that everyone trips up over can be perhaps interpreted two ways, but looking at all the evidence of the rest of the films and applying a little common sense and knowledge of movie formula, it can really only be interpreted ONE way. Leia kissed Luke as a joke and Luke plays it up to break Han's balls. There's no lust in it, therefore no incest.

That’s cause he didn’t know his kids were alive, much less than Leia was his daughter. In ep 1-3 the Jedi were right in front of Palpatine and they couldn’t sense him. Not even Windu or Yoda.

Also, from ROTJ:

Vader: My son is with them, I have felt him

Emperor: Strange that I have not

I still think that at least by the end of ESB it was decided Luke and Leia would be related. I see no other way Leia could have felt Luke.