There is another?
05-20-05, 05:23 PM
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There is another?
Quick question I'm hoping isn't a huge lapse in continuity:
When Obi-Wan says in ESB that "that boy is our last hope" and Yoda says "No, there is another" shouldn't he have followed that up with "Remember? Padme had twins. You were standing right next to her!"?
When Obi-Wan says in ESB that "that boy is our last hope" and Yoda says "No, there is another" shouldn't he have followed that up with "Remember? Padme had twins. You were standing right next to her!"?
05-20-05, 06:58 PM
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Hm, it's not really being discussed at all. What is Yoda aware of (about another to save the Republic) that Obi-Wan isn't, especially in his "one with the force" state?
05-20-05, 07:09 PM
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And it's followed up quite nicely by others on there. Apparently, Obi Wan's sexist. 
I also, as a side note, not to thread jack, got REALLY bothered by the scene when Luke leaved Yoda, and Ben says "That boy is our only hope", and Yoda hits the "No there is another" line as if Ben doesn't know there are twins, that bothered me.
Glad Im not the only one. As for the "That boy is our only hope" line, good thought. Since Yoda is some 900+ years old, maybe he was going senile and just blurted that out for no logical reason. He could have just said it to make Obi Wan feel better. lol.
05-20-05, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jadow
actually, it could be explained. Maybe after delivering Luke, Yodi and Bail tell Obi-Wan that Leia died of SIDS?
05-20-05, 09:47 PM
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Anakin was said to be too old to start training. Luke was even older. To start training Leia at her age would've been near pointless because by the time she was any good, there'd be 12 death Stars floating around and the emperor would have a new super cool apprentice (maybe it'd even be Luke, who'd wipe the floor with Leia).
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05-20-05, 11:39 PM
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Well, Leia being into politics does indeed do that. If you want to count the EU stuff, Leia never becomes a Jedi. She always leaves the Force side of things to Luke.
Theoretically, it could be considered that since Ben was one with the Force, he was able to see that destiny foretold that Luke would be the One, and Leia wasn't meant/wouldn't be able to return the Jedi order. Perhaps Ben just figured he wouldn't get into a long debate with Yoda about how destiny never indicated that Luke was the "chosen twin" or whatever you want to call it.
Of course, if you exclude all the EU stuff and just consider the end of Jedi, then it could be assumed that Leia goes on to become a Jedi herself... But including EU gives just about the only explanation one can give to this blunder.
Theoretically, it could be considered that since Ben was one with the Force, he was able to see that destiny foretold that Luke would be the One, and Leia wasn't meant/wouldn't be able to return the Jedi order. Perhaps Ben just figured he wouldn't get into a long debate with Yoda about how destiny never indicated that Luke was the "chosen twin" or whatever you want to call it.
Of course, if you exclude all the EU stuff and just consider the end of Jedi, then it could be assumed that Leia goes on to become a Jedi herself... But including EU gives just about the only explanation one can give to this blunder.
05-21-05, 01:14 PM
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It's simple... Obi-Wan is a chauvanist bastard, and doesn't give any credit to females. The other twin, the 'lesser twin' Leia, doesn't even merit consideration by this rat bastard. 
05-21-05, 01:17 PM
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The "That boy is our last hope" scene is up for interpretation...the scene that REALLY doesn't make sense now is Leia being able to remember her mother, while Luke cannot. Luke even empahisizes her "REAL" mother in the conversation...so don't tell me she's remembering her adoptive mother in that scene.
05-21-05, 01:22 PM
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I just thought maybe Yoda was reminding Obi-Wan that there was still hope for Anakin's redemption. I mean, I don't remember Obi-Wan turning to Yoda afterwards and going, "No shit? Who dat?"
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05-21-05, 01:33 PM
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It's simple... Obi-Wan is a chauvanist bastard, and doesn't give any credit to females. The other twin, the 'lesser twin' Leia, doesn't even merit consideration by this rat bastard.
Ben : That boy is our last hope
Yoda: No, there is another
Ben: Another hope?
Yoda: Yes, Leia.
Ben (Rolling his eyes): Yeah maybe she can use the force to bake me up some muffins.
05-21-05, 01:46 PM
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Or it could be that the one Obi Wan thought would be the other was Skippy, the Jedi droid, and Obi Wan knew Skippy blew his motivator, and naturally was still broken up about it in Empire and forgot about Leia and needed a friendly reminder.
05-21-05, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Nesbit
Ben : That boy is our last hope
Yoda: No, there is another
Ben: Another hope?
Yoda: Yes, Leia.
Ben (Rolling his eyes): Yeah maybe she can use the force to bake me up some muffins.
Yoda: No, there is another
Ben: Another hope?
Yoda: Yes, Leia.
Ben (Rolling his eyes): Yeah maybe she can use the force to bake me up some muffins.
05-21-05, 06:03 PM
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"There is another" refers to the Youngling who got the changed Jedi Beacon signal and hid out to avoid "Order 66" and the new Emperor. He contacted Yoda on his confidential frequency, and Yoda has been secretly training him for an eventual battle against Sidous, if Luke fails.
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05-22-05, 02:24 PM
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Yeah, the whole Luke/Leia brother/sister thing is problematic when you look at eps. 4 & 5.
06-03-05, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Derrich
Anakin was said to be too old to start training. Luke was even older. To start training Leia at her age would've been near pointless because by the time she was any good, there'd be 12 death Stars floating around and the emperor would have a new super cool apprentice (maybe it'd even be Luke, who'd wipe the floor with Leia).
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