You know me all too well.

While I disagree that Depp shouldn't have been nominated. I find it kinda sad when you're the star of the movie and two of your co-stars get nominated and you don't. Sad not because of the performance but because the Academy won't let you in to their exclusive club.

I'll take a stab and say you thought Depp deserved an Oscar for "Pirates"

Depp deserved an oscar for Fear and Loathing, Gilbert Grape, Edward Scissorhands, and perhaps even Ed Wood.

He was wonderful in Pirates of the Caribbean, but it probably wasn't award winning.

Did you fail to read the post you FIRST quoted?

The two times Depp were nominated were NOT his best performances; however, he is STILL a better actor with a farther range than the two individuals (Penn and Fox) that won the Oscar for the respective years.

At least you appear to have agreed that Fox gave an average perfomance in an average movie.

He will win for this. And he will have deserved it.

I'm positive.

K

I think Depp's chances of winning a Best Actor Oscar really depends on how well he does in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which will come out this summer. If Director Tim Burton can bring out the best in Depp, he will be a leading candidate for winning that Oscar late next February.

After all, Johnny Depp almost single-handedly turned Pirates of the Caribbean into a surprisingly good movie, and his role in Finding Neverland was very good, too.

Yup. And even as far as Depp's contemporaries go, I think Gary Oldman and John Turturro are pretty damn good actors, and they've never even been nominated.

Though neither were Edward G. Robinson or Donald Sutherland, so what does it all mean?

Proof that neither Johnny Depp, nor Martin Scorsese, or anybody else needs an Oscar to be remembered and admired. A few lists...

Actors who never won an acting Oscar:
Fred Astaire
Kirk Douglas
Albert Finney
Cary Grant
Peter O'Toole
Peter Sellers
Orson Welles
Alan Arkin
Warren Beatty
Clint Eastwood
James Dean
Harrison Ford
Buster Keaton
John Cassavetes
Charlie Chaplain
Tom Cruise
W.C. Fields
Errol Flynn
Peter Fonda
Elliott Gould
Richard Harris
James Earl Jones
Bruce Willis
Max Von Sydow
John Travolta
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Mickey Rooney
Burt Reynolds
Robert Redford
Claude Rains
Nick Nolte
Steve McQueen
Dean Martin

Actresses who never won an acting Oscar:
Glenn Close
Greta Garbo
Lauren Bacall
Lucille Ball
Rita Hayworth
Doris Day
Mimi Rogers
Judy Garland
Liv Ullmann
Ava Gardner
Maureen O'Hara
Mia Farrow
Natalie Wood
Marilyn Monroe
Bette Midler
Marlene Dietrich
Lana Turner
Shirley Temple
Barbara Stanwyck

Directors who never won a directorial Oscar:
Robert Altman
Charlie Chaplin
Cecil B. DeMille
Howard Hawks
Alfred Hitchcock
Stanley Kubrick
Akira Kurosawa
Fritz Lang
Spike Lee
George Lucas
Sidney Lumet
John Cassavetes
Sam Peckinpah
Martin Scorsese
David Lynch
Orson Welles
Ingmar Bergman
Michelangelo Antonioni
Michael Mann
Brian De Palma
Tim Burton
Ang Lee
James Ivory
Federico Fellini
Arthur Penn
Ridley Scott
Francois Truffaut
King Vidor
Clarence Brown
Jane Campion

Films that didn't win a single Oscar:
Angels With Dirty Faces
The Birds
Blade Runner
Blow-Up
Blue Velvet
Das Boot
Boyz N the Hood
Brazil
Charade
A Clockwork Orange
The Color Purple
The Conversation
Deliverance
Do the Right Thing
Dr. Strangelove
Double Indemnity
Easy Rider
The Elephant Man
The Four Feathers
Full Metal Jacket
Gangs of New York
The Godfather III
Grand Illusion
The Great Dictator
The Great Escape
A Hard Day's Night
It's a Wonderful Life
The Lady Eve
Last Tango in Paris
The Magnificant Seven
Magnolia
Malcolm X
The Maltese Falcon
The Manchurian Candidate
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Memento
Mulholland Drive
My Man Godfrey
North by Northwest
Notorious
Peyton Place
Planet of the Apes
Psycho
Ragtime
Rear Window
Rebel Without a Cause
Sands of Iwo Jima
Serpico
The Seven Samurai
The Shawshank Redemption
Short Cuts
Singin' in the Rain
Strangers on a Train
The Sweet Hereafter
Taxi Driver
Trainspotting
12 Angry Men
Vertigo

Films that weren't even nominated for a single Oscar:
The Big Sleep
Blood Simple
Bringing up Baby
City Lights
The Day the Earth Stood Still
Destry Rides Again
Dirty Harry
Dracula
Drugstore Cowboy
Duck Soup
A Face in the Crowd
Gilda
Hard Boiled
Heat
His Girl Friday
The Killing
King Kong
The Lady Vanishes
MacBeth
Mean Streets
Metropolis
Miller's Crossing
The Misfits
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Once Upon a Time in America
Once Upon a Time in the West
Paths of Glory
Reservoir Dogs
Rio Bravo
The Shining
Sid and Nancy
The 39 Steps
Three Women
Touch of Evil
Trouble in Paradise
Walkabout
The Wild One
Winchester 73
The Wrong Man

Deserving movies not nominated for "Best Picture":
1928 - Metropolis
1931 - City Lights, Frankenstein
1932 - Scarface
1933 - King Kong, Duck Soup
1935 - The 39 Steps, A Night at the Opera
1936 - Modern Times
1938 - The Lady Vanishes
1939 - Destry Rides Again
1940 - His Girl Friday
1944 - Laura
1946 - The Big Sleep
1947 - Black Narcissus
1948 - Oliver Twist
1950 - The Third Man
1953 - Stalag 17
1954 - Rear Window
1955 - East of Eden
1956 - The Seven Samurai
1957 - Paths of Glory
1958 - Vertigo
1959 - North by Northwest, Some Like it Hot
1960 - Psycho, Spartacus
1961 - Breakfast at Tiffany's
1962 - The Manchurian Candidate
1963 - The Birds
1968 - 2001: A Space Odyssey, Rosemary's Baby
1969 - Once Upon a Time in the West
1977 - 3 Women
1980 - Stardust Memories
1982 - Blade Runner
1985 - Brazil, Ran
1987 - Full Metal Jacket
1990 - Miller's Crossing
1995 - The Usual Suspects
1996 - Sling Blade, Trainspotting
1997 - The Sweet Hereafter
2001 - Amelie, Memento
2002 - Adaptation, About Schmidt
2004 - Eternal Sunshine

Like I said in the second post of this thread: fuck the Academy.

-JP

whose lists are these?

while there are plenty of deserving entries, i'm not sure what arnold schwarzenneger is doing there. or mimi rogers.

His career lately has taken a nosedive with a string of flops

Could "Black Mass" and his portrayal of Whitey Bulger return the luster to his career and maybe get him a Oscar nom or will it be another turd?

Depp alone has never been a big draw at the box office, but yeah he definitely hasn't put his best foot forward.

Black Mass got some strong reaction at CinemaCon. It's got a strong cast.

Depp has exactly as many Oscars as he deserves.

Any awards he may win in the future should be rendered null and void for the abomination that was Alice In Wonderland.

Depp's best performance was in Ed Wood. He was actually pretty great in the 90s, but has been starring in one awful movie after another since the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise.

Did you mean to bump this thread 10 years to the day or was that a coincidence?

BTW, Martin Scorsese and Ang Lee are the only people on NatrlBornThrllr's lists to have now won (Lee with 2 Oscars, of course).

As for Depp, he still has a shot if he takes real acting roles instead of the big makeup jobs for would-be blockbusters. I have wondered if he's self-conscious about getting older (he seems very shy in interviews) and likes to be behind a mask of some sort.

Yeah, that really threw me off. It had me scratching my head and wondering "who the hell thinks Johnny Depp should get an Oscar after Mortdecai?" (And then I noticed the "0" next to the "5" in the dates of earlier postings... Ah, that's why.)

And, yes, 10 years ago I would've been in total agreement that Johnny Depp deserved an Oscar. (Heck, his movie career over the last few years has been virtually like the post-win slump of someone who actually won an acting Oscar.)

Seems like all he does is play weird characters wearing weird hats. I don't think he's ever had a role where he's been laid out emotionally bare. Donnie Brasco may be the closest he's come to emotional honesty, and one of the few roles where he's not playing some tripped out caricature.

I would be in favor of giving him an honorary Oscar, if he promises to go away.