I think Luke said it best when he said..."NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

I liked the midichlorians for one reason. It should up all the bible thumping star wars fans who were always saying crap about the force being "god."

I was going to let this go, but someone has to shoot ridiculous statements like this.

- Created ILM, Skywalker Sound, LucasArts, and Pixar
- Pro Tools, Avid, non-linear editing
- Pioneer in digital filmmaking
- Directed THX-1138, American Graffiti, Star Wars, and really directed most of ROTJ
- Nominated twice for Best Director
- Star Wars and American Graffiti nominated for Best Picture
- Created, wrote, and produced the Indiana Jones trilogy and Willow

Now how many hack directors have directed two Best Picture nominees and received two noms for Best Director? How many have created two trilogies the likes of Star Wars and Indy? I don't know of any. Maybe you're talking of Uwe Boll or Stephen Sommers, because you sure aren't talking about Lucas. So he made two films you didn't like. That hardly means he's a hack.

Go here for an education on Lucas and his work.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...ent_id=2094216

I thought you might have made this thread out of sarcasm, but on the internet, you can't ever tell. You just never know.

Yeah, people who hate midichlorians are really going to hate Episode III. Besides, I've always maintained that if you hated the first two, there's not a chance in hell you'll like Episode III. So why waste your money.

Thank you . . . it's always nice to find people who are willing to recognize that fact.

I never liked "Star Wars".

Its not that i "hate" the movies, they just don't do anything for me.

I tried watching the first one (not Episode 1) when the trilogy was released on VHS (before DVD the SE movies) and i couldnt get excited about any of it.

I saw bits of the movies when i was younger, i like sci-fi movies, but the movies just do not do anything for me.

I've seen every picture Lucas has directed. Hell, I've seen all but one of them in their original theatrical release, so I'm quite familiar with his body of work. I don't like any of the movies he's made. I think he's a hack director. However, I think he's an absolutely brilliant producer, and a tremendous businessman. ILM, Pixar, etc. are tremendous achievements, but founding ILM doesn't make one Alfred Hitchcock, it makes one Walt Disney.

That Lucas is a hack director is my opinion, but be assured that it's my informed opinion.

BTW, Ron Howard has won or been nominated for all kinds of directorial awards, and I think he's a hack, too. In case you weren't aware, the awards AMPAS hands out every year mean nothing to me.

Yes, the original SW trilogy was indeed that good. You don't achieve what that trilogy did simply because of innocence or youth. However, I've never bought into this tearing down the originals to make the prequels look better, or make them not look so bad. The prequels are not bad films. They're just not as good as the originals and that irks a lot of people. You might not think the original trilogy is any good, but I'd have to disagree wholeheartedly.

Star Wars and Empire are great films. Perfect? No! I've never seen a perfect film. If I really want to, I can nitpick even the greatest film. Return of the Jedi is not a great film. But I think it is a good to very good film, and very entertaining. Whatever the case, it beats the pants off of 90% of the crap that gets released today.

With all due respect, you can think anything you want. That's your perogative. It doesn't make you right though.

Um, where did I ever equate Lucas with Hitchcock? Stick to the discussion at hand. Better yet, forget the discussion. I'm done. I proved my point, and since I know I'm right, I'll leave it at that. Besides, I'm not big on people chatting on internet forums calling successful filmmakers and multi-billionaires hacks to begin with.

I don't think anyone will ever brand you a pariah because of that fact.

completely agree. the man, as a director (which does not reflect on his abilities as producer, Terrell) is average at best... just barely competent.

Sorry cygnet, you're wasting your breath on me, because that's nonsense as far as I'm concerned. The man that directed THX-1138, American Graffiti, and Star Wars is far, far beyond barely competent. Many directors would give their left arm to direct three films like that, much less create and Indiana Jones. Hell, the man that directed TPM and AOTC is far beyond a hack. A hack is someone that has no talent whatsoever in their field. You sure as hell couldn't say that about Lucas with a straight face. Now, if he had never directed a good film, you might could say that. But that's not the case. As far as I'm concerned, he's never even come close to directing a truly terrible film. Whatever! I'm blowing hot air for no real reason.

I've presented my evidence to back it up. End of story. But, people can believe what they want. Just don't come at me with that hack crap.

Maybe you'd like the resume of a true hack.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0093051/

actually a hack is define as "mediocre and disdained", or average and lacking respect. he excels as a producer, but when it comes to working with actors and and composing mise en scene, he's merely competent. i'm sure many producers would give their right arm to have his career, but i've never met another filmmaker that includes Lucas' directing as a major influence.

I hate in Star Wars when they say, "May the Force be with you." Either you GOT it or you DON'T! Saying, "May the Force be with you" to Han isn't going to give him any more Force power!

Boring overhyped movies.

I fell asleep in Episode 1 and that was against overly loud fat people.

cygnet - where has it been revealed that midichlorians have returned? Source?

Also, Lucas is far from a hack director. He invented the modern action/adventure movie which every director tries to emulate (and fails most times) to this day.

Yes, just because a man made a few great movies nearly 30 years ago, he is not a hack! William Friedkin made a few great movies in the 70's, he is now considered a hack who only gets directing jobs because he is married to a studio head! Don't mess with Terrell regarding GEORGE LUCAS - HE WILL KILL YOU.

Isn't coming in to a thread about hating Star Wars and professing your love and how great the movies are, the same thing that people complain about in Star Wars love threads and criticizing the movies? TROLL, TROLL., TROLL. Ha ha ha. Its funny to see how people act when the shoe is on the other foot. QUICK report him to the mods! Ha ha ha ha.

I only saw Episode 1 because it had Natalie Portman in it.

And i didnt hate Jar Jar...i thought he was goofy and funny.

Then again i dont hold the "Star Wars" up and proclaim them as "holy".

I'm not an uber religious person, but I always found the religious allegories intriguing.

The return of the midichlorians is a little disheartening. Ruins the magic, I tell ya!

Yet another man who's childhood was raped by a Bible believer.

Actually, I do see your point. I guess I never thought of "The Force" as "God" but I always giggled at the "New Age/Force" similarities. Because "New Age", as we all know, is truely utter BS.

A few Star Wars Beefs off the top of my head:

The series always seems to be directed towards General audiences or more specifically kids. Granted, that's probably why it's been so successful, but I think the makers could've tried a little harder to take some of the silly shit out. Episode I was particularly guilty of this with it's swoop races, Jar Jar, and other stupid stuff.

John William's music is great but damn, in the SW movies the makers seem to believe every fuckin' scene has to have some sort of music in it. Why not some acting scenes with no music? Decent acting doesn't always need "mood music" to accent it.

this has come from a proven source over on the TF.N boards. it was posted a month ago and couldn't find the thread.

you guys are misunderstanding me, and the definition for "hack". it doesn't mean he's a terribly unskilled boob. it means (again, as a director, not producer) he's never better than competent and doesn't get any real respect from his peers. it's like the difference between michelangelo and bob ross -- ross could paint lovely images, i'm sure, but they were not on the level of artistry found on the ceiling of the sistine chapel. and name one good filmmaker that has named lucas as a major influence. roland emmerich?

now, why can't you guys let us complain about lucas/star wars in peace?

While there is some stuff in this thread that I disagree with, keep in mind this IS the bash Star Wars thread. No need to argue with things said in here...the whole point is to get it all out here, so we can leave the other SW threads in peace.

My complaints are few though, save for Phantom Menace. Jar Jar is annoying, but that kid...oh that kid...so terrible. It's just too bad...I love the Star Wars films, and fully enjoy each of the other films despite some faults here and there. But because of those two things, I just cringe my way through Phantom and find little enjoyment in it. I was fully entertained when watching AoTC, but found myself playing mystery science theater througout Phantom Menace. Farting camel things, two headed annoucers, 2 of the three stories at the end of Phantom being about our leads accidentally winning. I could excuse Portman's impression of wood in the sequel due to the nice barre midrift and lack of these things in AoTC, but tacked on to these problems, it just was bad. On the plus side, I enjoyed Liam, Ewan, Terence Stamp's two second role, and Palpatine. They were rather enjoyable, and there are some wonderful visuals regardless. Of course, that annoys me even more, as I have to put up with some cringe inducing moments to see the good stuff.

As long as it's respectful, isn't the point of every thread to discuss the topic?

Cygnet - I'm not letting you off on the whole 'proven source' - 'can't find the thread thing'... Until I see it in print, it's just a whole lotta hater gossip...

I don't think Lucas is Scorcese, Kurosawa, or Bergman or anything, but he has elevated himself above your every day director. This is a fact. He has successful movies, is recognized the world over, and has inovated in his field. What more do you want?

Well, the member who started the thread did say the whole thread was meant to be sarcastic. But I'll make a couple of points and leave the thread in piece so people can hate on Star Wars.

Where is your evidence to back this up, or did you just pull it from your butt cygnet. You have no way of knowing that. Considering what he's done for cinema and for those filmmakers, don't count on it. The evidence in documentaries, interviews, and from other filmmakers contradict this.

Again, I offer up THX-1138, American Graffiti, and Star Wars as evidence to the contrary.

I'll name three, Ridley Scott, Peter Jackson, and James Cameron.

Okay, in the spirit of the thread, here goes. I hate the following.

- Jar-Jar's antics
- Jake Lloyd's acting
- fart jokes
- "YIPPEEEEE!"
- "Now this is podracing!"
- 3PO's silliness in the arena
- "I hate sand...........yadda..yadda!"
- dinner and fireplace scene in AOTC

search over at TF.N for posts by "Motee", i believe. if that's the correct handle, he has posted reliable info in the past. im pretty sure thats the right name and correct spelling.

EDIT: i did some digging. Motee also runs www.millenniumfalcon.com and posts spoiler reports frequently. he has garnered a reputation for reliable info. anyway, i found the posts on the fourth page of the thread containing the report titled,

Spoiler:

The Death of Amidala Skywalker

but the exact quote is:

Spoiler:

"Qui-Gon had a hand in Luke and Leia's conception. The guy knew what he was doing." FOLLOW-UP: "Bail, Yoda and Obi-Wan discuss Qui-Gon's influence over midis in Luke and Leia."

he also reveals the secret to retaining your identity after death

Spoiler:

was first made famous by The Beatles... "All You Need is Love". Yoda admits that he underestimated Qui-Gon's potential as a Jedi Master and bows to him, saying the words, "Qui-Gon, your apprentice, I gratefully become."

one last spoiler that echoes a familiar line from the OT...

Spoiler:

Padme's last words after giving birth as she begins drifting in and out of consciousness, "Anakin (who isn't there with her), I'm sorry. I'm so sorry... Anakin, please... I love you... Obi-Wan, there is still good in him...I know...there...is...still..."

he has certainly directed a handful of financially successful pictures, but that does not make him a great director. i think you'll agree that "wars not make one great!"

i'm familiar with the three instances you are referring to. they can all be found in the OT dvd set, and all named 'Star Wars' as a defining influence, not its director. there is a difference. Hell, star wars influenced an entire generation of filmmakers and non-filmmakers alike.

however, if you were to ask those same three filmmakers to name the directors that they admire, you'd get different answers. Jackson, for one, credits Buster Keaton and Monty Python. Scott answers with David Lean, John Ford, Akira Kurosawa, Carol Reed, Michael Powell, and Orson Welles. and finally James Cameron names Kubrick as his biggest influence and specifically states the following regarding Star Wars:

"Not to take anything away from George's creation, because it's obviously a phenomenal milestone, but my reaction to it was not, 'Oh, wow, that's cool. I want to see more.' It was, 'Oh, wow, I better get off my butt because somebody is doing this stuff, you know, and they're beating me to it.'"[source]