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Old 01-18-05 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
Are you serious? Read my first post to the guy, I didn't call him any names or insult him, the kid flat out called me names. All I did was counter his points, & I wanted some explanations for the bold statements he made, I even said I wish I agreed with him.
I not only read your posts, I quoted them. Read my last post again.
I suggest you read the whole thread again, more closely this time.
I've read it 3 times now, tracking what happened.

He posted his defense of the movie, and you effectively (passively-aggressivley) called him "insane" for liking the movie that much.

Then he said:
Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
We can't all be as anal retentive as you my friend. (Wink Smiley)

Lighten up, this ain't shakespeare...
So here he says that you're being too detail-oriented.

Then you said:
It has nothing to do with being anal retentive it's having a brain & seeing TONS of extremely well made movies of this genre. I love a good mindless movie, that is what X2, Spider-man, Predator & on & on are, but all of those have decent stories, dialogue, & vision by the director.

I'm not expecting Shakespeare, but at least something fun & original. Maybe you haven't seen a lot of movies or have very low standards, I don't, so when a movie just makes poor attempts at ripping off better movies, & does not even make an effort at offering a coherent script, I don't find that entertaining. That people like you do explains why these movies keep getting dumber & dumber & more & more unimaginative. And that you claim to be a huge fan of the source material, & then say Garner embodies Elektra, I just find it hard to belive that anyone who read the Miller stories would think that.
Then you said: (I'm paraphrasing and summarizing)
He doesn't have a brain.
He hasn't seen a lot of movies.
He has very low standards.
He's the reason why movies are getting "dumber and more unimaginative."

Have I missed something?
That sure seems to me that you called him names and insulted him first.
I'm confused why you are not seeing this - it's in black and white, for anybody to see here.
Old 01-18-05 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by John Spartan
It does not EQUAL, but it definitely AFFECTS. This is especially true when dealing with action films. Like it or not, a budget limits what a filmmaker can do. The scale, complexity, quality and quantity of action, the locations, the sets, the number of scenes, etc. These can affect the way a filmmaker tells the story and how people respond to the film. It may not be fair to the filmmakers and it may be a bad way to do things (ie, trying to tell a story that you simply cannot put to screen credibly with the given budget), but that's just the way it is.
With you all the way!

... until this bit.
Originally Posted by John Spartan
So yes, you can defend a film by noting how much it cost to make--particularly when the complaints are that the film looked cheap or lacked action. Deal with it.
Wrong. Good filmmakers will make the best of materials they have. There's been many excellent films that have had extremely low budgets, and I'm sure you've seen some of them.

For example, The Punisher is a film often defended because it was made on a comparitively low budget. However, it is slow, banal and the script is shoddy - in many places, just silly. These are issues with the actual filmmaking and are, I admit, matters of opinion.

But when someone tries to excuse that with "oh, it only cost $40 million to make, leave it alone"... that's just being silly. It wouldn't have cost Jonathan Hensleigh a dime to have gone to the library and read some good crime fiction before he decided to write the script that he did. For that matter, Artisan/LGF could have easily hired themselves a better all-round filmmaker to helm the film, instead of hiring a first-timer.

One might wonder just what could have been accomplished with a more accomplished filmmaker than Hensleigh. After all, Bryan Singer made the excellent The Usual Suspects, and Robert Rodriguez' Desperado has some fun, over-the-top action that's brilliant to watch - both films look polished and professional, and neither film cost more than ten million bucks to make.

Originally Posted by fallfan
Ultimately, while budget can be a crutch with films like this, a complete lack of creativity by the filmmakers ultimately is what kills a film.
Fallfan speaks truth. Fallfan is wise.
Old 01-18-05 | 09:49 AM
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I not only read your posts, I quoted them. Read my last post again... [snip]
That's the way I read it as well. It looked to me like Sessa flamed the guy for his opinion and then took offense when he reacted (albeit poorly).

Telling people they're insane or unable to tell something is unoriginal isn't conducive to a polite conversation, IMO.

Back on topic, I'll probably catch this flick this week, but I don't have high hopes: reviews have ranged from "meh" to "terrible."
Old 01-18-05 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by reapersaurus
I not only read your posts, I quoted them. Read my last post again.
I suggest you read the whole thread again, more closely this time.
I've read it 3 times now, tracking what happened.

He posted his defense of the movie, and you effectively (passively-aggressivley) called him "insane" for liking the movie that much.

Then he said:So here he says that you're being too detail-oriented.

Then you said:Then you said: (I'm paraphrasing and summarizing)
He doesn't have a brain.
He hasn't seen a lot of movies.
He has very low standards.
He's the reason why movies are getting "dumber and more unimaginative."

Have I missed something?
That sure seems to me that you called him names and insulted him first.
I'm confused why you are not seeing this - it's in black and white, for anybody to see here.


Thanks reaper.
Old 01-18-05 | 11:30 AM
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Screw you people, flame me all you want but i thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I won't be giving reasons, because there aren't always reasons why you like something. I just plain enjoyed the movie. No hard to understand reasons, I just liked it
Old 01-18-05 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by glassdragon
Screw you people, flame me all you want but i thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I won't be giving reasons, because there aren't always reasons why you like something. I just plain enjoyed the movie. No hard to understand reasons, I just liked it



I thought it blew donkey balls.
Old 01-18-05 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by glassdragon
Screw you people, flame me all you want but i thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I won't be giving reasons, because there aren't always reasons why you like something. I just plain enjoyed the movie. No hard to understand reasons, I just liked it
There is another.

Glad someone else on the board enjoyed it.
Old 01-18-05 | 01:05 PM
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Hey, I liked it - and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Old 01-18-05 | 01:27 PM
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I enjoyed it too. Fun popcorn movie.
Old 01-18-05 | 01:39 PM
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Rise my friends! RISE!!!
Old 01-18-05 | 02:02 PM
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Ok, here is my beef with the movie. The plot was so see thru I thought I had read the script before I got to the theater. She meets this girl and her dad and they spend 15 min of the film getting to know eachother, the run in at her house, the christmas dinner and all that. Then it is suppose to be an "Ah gasp!" surprise that Electra finds out that those are the people she is suppose to kill? Electra is suppose to be this heartless killer that will whisper in your ear and then slice you in two but once she has christmas dinner with these people that was enough to make her rethink her life and then help save them? I think any other "badass" assasin would have just gutted them like anyone else. Her dad in Daredevil was an arab guy but in Electra her dad is this white english dude? And what about the almighty Hand? How is it that they are suppose to be this unstoppable force and all but Electra kills them after an afternoon in the forest? And then to top it off she saves the girls life at the end. I knew the minute that the girl was killed that Electra would have to use her "special powers" that she learned from Stick to ressurect the girl. It would have been better if the girl just died. That would have been a surprise ending. All in all the movie just wasn't that well thought out. I liked Garner and think she did a good job. I also liked her agent or whoever that guy was that gave her jobs. But he died, along with the Hand and any chance of a sequel. **/***** stars.
Old 01-18-05 | 02:45 PM
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I'm another person that enjoyed this movie.
Old 01-18-05 | 04:45 PM
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I liked the Punisher. Not a bad little mid-budget action flick...and the fight with the Russian was hilarious.
I liked the Punisher too. What was hilarious about the Russian fight for me was finding out that it was Kevin Nash (of WCW / WWF / WWE) who was the Russian guy.
Old 01-19-05 | 03:34 AM
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I LOVE Punisher. I mean I LOVE that flick. Just a helluva lot of fun. Hardcore, violent, over-the-top, yet realistic, no CG, just old school action film-making. I loved it!

"God's gonna set this one out."
Old 01-19-05 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
I LOVE Punisher. I mean I LOVE that flick. Just a helluva lot of fun. Hardcore, violent, over-the-top, yet realistic, no CG, just old school action film-making. I loved it!

"God's gonna set this one out."
*nod* I also loved that movie.
Old 01-20-05 | 04:33 PM
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Elektra should have been more like Leon: The Professional. What was that budget? I'm tired of these over-produced Hollywood flix! Garner is great and would have been good in a Calmed down, non mysitical, Leon type movie.
Old 01-20-05 | 04:33 PM
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oh, and Punisher was CRAP!
Old 01-20-05 | 07:14 PM
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i enjoyed it as well (surprised that no "video" of that kiss has shown up yet. (there were cheers when that happenec
Old 01-22-05 | 02:39 AM
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enjoyed the movie overall. my only gripes with it were that some fights felt like they ended too early, and a lot of the characters in the movie, well we don't know anything about. I really wanted to know more backstory on some of the villians and so on.
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I enjoyed Elektra but it could have been better

the baddies were pretty cool but i agree they died too easily and the fights weren't epic enough
Old 03-12-05 | 07:20 AM
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i saw electra and thought it was decent flick. Is the comic as sci fi as the movie. I would have preferred a more traditional assassin flick more.
Old 03-23-05 | 09:24 AM
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If anybody still cares, the Ben Affleck cameo will be on the DVD.
Old 03-23-05 | 09:35 AM
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This seems to be the first DVD review:
http://www.dvdfile.com/software/revi...1/elektra.html

The second deleted scene "Come Back To Me," is a cameo by Ben Affleck in which he reprises his role as Matt Murdock.
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Originally Posted by fryinpan1
This seems to be the first DVD review:
http://www.dvdfile.com/software/revi...1/elektra.html

The second deleted scene "Come Back To Me," is a cameo by Ben Affleck in which he reprises his role as Matt Murdock.
I wonder why they cut this out. At least it would have given the movie a little redemption.
Old 03-23-05 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cactusoly
I wonder why they cut this out. At least it would have given the movie a little redemption.
Because Hollywood thinks the world hates Ben Affleck, and they didn't want his name anywhere near the film.

In fact, Fox even denied the cameo was shot!


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