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Old 01-15-05 | 09:53 AM
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I thought the Hulk was decent but I just wanted to see the Hulk more. That and the mutant poodle creeped me out. My nieghbor has an old, decrepit, and incontinent poodle and as much as an animal lover as I am, I can't stand that dog. So it was my worst nightmare come to life!!
Old 01-15-05 | 10:08 AM
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You wanted more Hulk. The movie had plenty Hulk action man, a good 35min. probably. That's plenty, more than he actually hulks out in the comics. I liked that it was about 45min. into the movie before we ever see the monster.
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Having a hard time understanding that someone has a different opinion from you? Sheesh man, get a grip. I love the Miller comics and I thought the movie was a fun ride, and Jen made a great Elektra. Get the hell over it man. Understand that not everyone shares your feeble ideas on movies and comics.
I agree with some of your opinions, but if your best defense is to be insulting in the defensive-teen mode, then maybe it's time to sit a few rounds out and let the grownups talk, eh?
Old 01-15-05 | 06:21 PM
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Back on topic . I Just saw Electra and it was a very average movie. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't anything special either. If the whole movie was more like the beginning it would have been good.


I had similar feelings about the Hulk, but I liked the Hulk more because when it (FINALLY) delivered it delivered big.
Old 01-15-05 | 07:18 PM
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My 2 syllable review: Ho-Hum.

If you were scratching your head while watching this movie, it was probably because you were never given much of reason to care about any of the characters in the film, and by the time it mercifully ends, you wondered how they made time slow down so much. It's not as bad as Catwoman, but it just flat-out boring, one of the worse things a movie can be.

I give it 1.75 stars, or a C-.
Old 01-15-05 | 07:25 PM
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Despite the poor reviews, I will probably still give Elektra a chance on DVD.

3.9/10 ranking at IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0357277/

Elektra does not seem to be doing too well at the box office. Coach Carter, Meet the Fockers, and In Good Company all made more money on Friday.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/el...ws.php?id=2466

20th Century Fox Daredevil spin-off Elektra, starring Jennifer Garner, earned an estimated $4.49 million from 3,204 theaters on Friday, its first day in theaters.

It was topped by "Coach Carter," which made $8.3 million from 2,524 theaters, "Meet the Fockers," which added $5.6 million and has collected an impressive $217.2 million, and "In Good Company," which earned $4.54 million from just 1,565 theaters.

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Old 01-15-05 | 07:55 PM
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I saw it.

It's not nearly as bad as everyone says it is. Kinda like Gigli, in a way. Not as horrible as reported, but not necessarily good, either.

I would have preferred more Typhoid Mary and Stick, as well, but, all in all, I think it would have been a damn good movie if not for one scene:

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The 'resurrection' of the girl at the end. Completely uncalled for. Just make sure she doesn't die, and then have the girl say, "Oh, Elektra, you saved me!" You end up with the same ending, overall, without being hokey as hell.


Most of the rest of the movie had good action and plot, though. For those re-res that said they didn't know who the Hand was, well, you should pay more attention to the beginning of movies.
Old 01-16-05 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix
For those re-res that said they didn't know who the Hand was, well, you should pay more attention to the beginning of movies.
I liked the film, and was with it the entire time. But no, they don't really explain what the Hand is.
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Originally Posted by mookyman
I agree with some of your opinions, but if your best defense is to be insulting in the defensive-teen mode, then maybe it's time to sit a few rounds out and let the grownups talk, eh?
Yeah...okay. I neither insulted him nor am I acting like a "Defensive teen" I'm simply pointing out that he's acting like a closed minded jackass and needs to lighten up.


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Old 01-16-05 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Yeah...okay. I neither insulted him nor am I acting like a "Defensive teen" I'm simply pointing out that he's acting like a closed minded jackass and needs to lighten up.

Take a moment, then a deep breath, & then read what you just posted out loud. " I neither insulted him nor am I acting like a "Defensive teen. . . he's acting like a closed minded jackass". It's hard to take someone seriously with such astounding reasoning as this.

I never insulted, nor posted angrily, all I did was counter your first post with my opinion, then you are the one who twice posted angrily b/c I disagreed with you, accusing me of being narrow minded when YOU are the one who is angry b/c someone didn't agree with you.

Rather than counter anything I said all you have done is sound as other people have pointed out, like a little teenager.

It's the point of this forum, to discuss movies you know? You loved the movie, great, but yuo posted some things that made know sense. How is Garner the "embodiment of Elektra" from the Miller run as you claim? Aside from looking nothing like her, talking nothing like her, Miller portrayed Elektra as a cold blooded machine who the only man she ever let get close to her was Matt Murdock. In the movie she is a soft-hearted girly girl, she get's close to a kid, & the first guy she comes in contact with he falls for. Don't get all bent out of shape, I'm just curious how you saw that she was exactly like the Miller comics when I though she clearly was not.
Old 01-16-05 | 03:29 PM
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I thought this was pretty funny...

"Hmmm, where have I seen this before? Oh, yes, I saw it Wednesday night on television. Except her hair was pink. And I had eight more bucks in my wallet."
-- Tom Long, DETROIT NEWS
Old 01-16-05 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by brizz
"Hmmm, where have I seen this before? Oh, yes, I saw it Wednesday night on television. Except her hair was pink. And I had eight more bucks in my wallet."
-- Tom Long, DETROIT NEWS
From someone who saw a free press screening too...
Old 01-16-05 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
Take a moment, then a deep breath, & then read what you just posted out loud. " I neither insulted him nor am I acting like a "Defensive teen. . . he's acting like a closed minded jackass". It's hard to take someone seriously with such astounding reasoning as this.

I never insulted, nor posted angrily, all I did was counter your first post with my opinion, then you are the one who twice posted angrily b/c I disagreed with you, accusing me of being narrow minded when YOU are the one who is angry b/c someone didn't agree with you.

Rather than counter anything I said all you have done is sound as other people have pointed out, like a little teenager.

It's the point of this forum, to discuss movies you know? You loved the movie, great, but yuo posted some things that made know sense. How is Garner the "embodiment of Elektra" from the Miller run as you claim? Aside from looking nothing like her, talking nothing like her, Miller portrayed Elektra as a cold blooded machine who the only man she ever let get close to her was Matt Murdock. In the movie she is a soft-hearted girly girl, she get's close to a kid, & the first guy she comes in contact with he falls for. Don't get all bent out of shape, I'm just curious how you saw that she was exactly like the Miller comics when I though she clearly was not.

Well that's the thing that makes the board fun now isn't it. Not everyone agrees with everyone. Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.

Also, I was not posting angrily to you. I thought you were taking it all a bit to seriously.

but, mook, who thinks he knows everything I suppose and seeing a couple of posts from me seems to think he knows everything about me...yeah bud get a grip.

You I have no problems with, I also feel I don't need to defend my opinions to someone who disagrees. They're opinions ya know. It's all subjective.

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Old 01-16-05 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by brizz
I thought this was pretty funny...

"Hmmm, where have I seen this before? Oh, yes, I saw it Wednesday night on television. Except her hair was pink. And I had eight more bucks in my wallet."
-- Tom Long, DETROIT NEWS
Old 01-16-05 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Also, I was not posting angrily to you. I thought you were taking it all a bit to seriously.

You I have no problems with, I also feel I don't need to defend my opinions to someone who disagrees. They're opinions ya know. It's all subjective.
I was discussing the movie, that is what the thread is for.

I also feel I don't need to defend my opinions to someone who disagrees
That is about the most childish thing I've ever heard. Makes me think you never read the Miller Elektra books as you claim since you can't even discuss them.
Old 01-16-05 | 09:44 PM
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I thought it was average. The girl who played Abby got my nerves fairly quickly and I think Garner is much better on Alias.

I would of liked to have seen more Typhoid Mary
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I liked the film, and was with it the entire time. But no, they don't really explain what the Hand is.
Well,
Spoiler:
they say it's a battle between good vs evil and show these ninjas fighting. They say that the Hand is the bad guys, so it's safe to assume that the Hand is a group of evil ninjas. What else do you need to know? Hell, that's pretty much all everyone knew until the Elektra: The Hand mini came out a few months ago.
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I was discussing the movie, that is what the thread is for.

That is about the most childish thing I've ever heard. Makes me think you never read the Miller Elektra books as you claim since you can't even discuss them.
Well, gotta give him credit for basically ignoring an argument that will ultimately result in no one's mind being changed. I couldn't do it...

While Elektra is cold, she is far from heartless. Even in Miller's run. Although, I thought the movie could have benefitted from a flashback scene of her killing a different kid, and dealing with the guilt from that, thus giving her a reason to NOT kill this one. But, ultimately, I think she didn't take the job because the kid reminder her of her.
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[QUOTE=QuiGonJosh]

but, mook, who thinks he knows everything I suppose and seeing a couple of posts from me seems to think he knows everything about me...yeah bud get a grip.QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I don't claim to know nearly everything about you. I know that you're named after a character from Episode I and you don't feel the need to support your ideas. Don't call me bud, and please don't drag this off-topic business any further - there are people who would like to talk about Jennifer Garner.
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
Yeah...okay. I neither insulted him nor am I acting like a "Defensive teen" I'm simply pointing out that he's acting like a closed minded jackass and needs to lighten up.

IMO, it's you that needs to "lighten up". There isn't anything wrong with expressing your opinion on the movie, but it is against forum rules to start insulting other members. Please think about how you are addressing other members before you post.
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I wish I enjoyed it the way you did but to call this movie an A is just insane to me.

The movie tries so hard to rip offer of other more recent & cooler films, (Kill Bill, either Zhang Yimou film) it was just a little embarassing to watch, unless I guess one doesn't know how unoriginal it is, & then I could see why it's entertaining.
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It has nothing to do with being anal retentive it's having a brain & seeing TONS of extremely well made movies of this genre. I love a good mindless movie, that is what X2, Spider-man, Predator & on & on are, but all of those have decent stories, dialogue, & vision by the director.

I'm not expecting Shakespeare, but at least something fun & original. Maybe you haven't seen a lot of movies or have very low standards, I don't, so when a movie just makes poor attempts at ripping off better movies, & does not even make an effort at offering a coherent script, I don't find that entertaining. That people like you do explains why these movies keep getting dumber & dumber & more & more unimaginative.
I never insulted, nor posted angrily, all I did was counter your first post with my opinion, then you are the one who twice posted angrily b/c I disagreed with you, accusing me of being narrow minded when YOU are the one who is angry b/c someone didn't agree with you.
Don't act aloof and above it all.

As I read the thread, you actually started the insults.
You started slinging the *&^% - therefore you are unable to protest when someone defends themselves.

By the way - a couple points:
X-men and Spider-man are not even CLOSE to being categorized as "mindless movies". Just because they aren't art-house films doesn't make them "mindless."

Also, the fact that you compared Elektra to Crouching Tiger and Hero / House of Flying Daggers paints you as being young (i.e. someone who recently saw those films and thinks every movie with wire work is trying to "copy them"). Go ahead and point out the elements in Elektra which are directly taken from any of those films if you'd like to make a point.
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Originally Posted by reapersaurus
Don't act aloof and above it all.

As I read the thread, you actually started the insults.
You started slinging the *&^% - therefore you are unable to protest when someone defends themselves.
Are you serious? Read my first post to the guy, I didn't call him any names or insult him, the kid flat out called me names. All I did was counter his points, & I wanted some explanations for the bold statements he made, I even said I wish I agreed with him.

By the way - a couple points:
X-men and Spider-man are not even CLOSE to being categorized as "mindless movies". Just because they aren't art-house films doesn't make them "mindless."
I'm sorry but I strongly disagree. Did a lot of work & talent go into those films absolutely, but I mean that they are mindless from the audiences view. They are pure popcorn entertainment, they don't make you think, they don't push envelopes or raise questions, they don't have complex plots, they are just great mindless entertainment.

Also, the fact that you compared Elektra to Crouching Tiger and Hero / House of Flying Daggers paints you as being young (i.e. someone who recently saw those films and thinks every movie with wire work is trying to "copy them").
What is it with people & the attitudes. First off, do a search if you want to, I don't mean this to sound like a dick but I'm not some kid that just saw these films. I probably see all foreign movies of the like before you do, I was one of the first people here to see Daggers or Hero & had them on DVD when they first were released out of Region & saw both in theaters before that in private screenings in NY & have been discussing them in here way before they had US distribution, just as I have been doing with Ong-Bak, 2046, the Infernal Affairs Trilogy, & will do with Gong Fu, etc etc or many foreign releases b/c I'm junky for Eastern cinema & I'm lucky enough to be in a position to see a lot of these films very early on.

Go ahead and point out the elements in Elektra which are directly taken from any of those films if you'd like to make a point.
Gladly, I said that Elektra like many American films with fight scenes ever since CTHD became a hit, uses a simple orchestration of fast paced drum beats during the action. It was not something that was used often before CT, HD, & no CTHD didn't pioneer it but it certainly made it more known to the US. Yeah, Elektra only did it with one scene, if he Yimou influenced scenes weren't there I wouldn't have noticed it as much. As for the Yimou influence, anyone is kidding themselves if they think it's not there. Elektra is a strong yet conflicted female character/warrior as Yimou will often center films about, & the Typhoid/Elektra kiss scene & the horribly choregraphed mystical dancing white sheet scenes were so clearly influenced by Hero. The slow-mo & empasizing of the colors in the leaves was a comical lift from the Maggie Cheung/Ziyi fight & the poor use of the white sheets was another attempt at mimicking Yimou.

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Just kidding . . . good post.
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I probably see all foreign movies of the like before you do
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Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix
Well,
Spoiler:
they say it's a battle between good vs evil and show these ninjas fighting. They say that the Hand is the bad guys, so it's safe to assume that the Hand is a group of evil ninjas. What else do you need to know? Hell, that's pretty much all everyone knew until the Elektra: The Hand mini came out a few months ago.
How much do they pay for that sweet-ass penthouse?

Why do ninjas need a penthouse?

Why do the ninjas wear suits?

Why do ninjas who wear suits and own a sweet-ass penthouse turn to green smoke when they die?

Meh, I don't care. Weak and hostile attempt to explain things, but I thank you for trying.

Seriously, why spoiler your "explanation?"


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