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Old 01-13-05 | 07:00 PM
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wow, Electra's gettin raped by the critics. 1 for 23 on RT....ouch. i so wanted this movie to be good.
Old 01-13-05 | 07:06 PM
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I was hoping the previews were a misrepresetation of the movie, looks like they were accurate.
Old 01-13-05 | 07:14 PM
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wow, Electra's gettin raped by the critics.
Old 01-13-05 | 07:22 PM
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It definitely blows, the soundtrack was soooo bad, but I think it's WAY better than DD & Punisher, Punisher IMO is the worste comic book adaptation ever filmed & DD is a close second.

Typhoid Mary is OK in the movie, although I wish she had more line & Stamp makes anything better although not in it much. So at least those were two things going for it, not to mention it had Ninjas.

If DD or Punisher had ninjas & Terrence Stamp then both would be better movies. So based on that alone Elektra is better.

In fact, if every movie had ninjas & Terrence Stamp in it, they would be better movies.

HAHAHA Ninjas suck ass!
Old 01-13-05 | 08:43 PM
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god, i have too much time on my hands....
Old 01-13-05 | 10:49 PM
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Im curious to see what Ebert and Roeper thnk since they both liked Daredevil.... BTW I liked both DD and The Punisher

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Old 01-13-05 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by _tony_
wow, Electra's gettin raped by the critics.
Subtle, aren't you?
Old 01-14-05 | 12:18 AM
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But, but, but, you get the Fantastic Four trailer in front of this movie!!!
Old 01-14-05 | 08:48 AM
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I'm loving this.
Old 01-14-05 | 08:55 AM
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the last time i check it got a whopping 3% on rottentomatoes
Old 01-14-05 | 12:24 PM
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The Fantastic 4 trailer was pretty sweet...but I didn't really like Elektra at all. I'm a huge Garner fan and I actually thought Daredevil kicked some serious ass. Elektra has got lots of special effects and some stylized action, but the story is so bland and incoherent, that neither help make the film any good...and the action scenes are all so similar that each time it feels like an extreme case of deja vu... add to this the complete lack of humour or spirit in the film and the characters, it just leaves you feeling like "ok..that was...well...what the hell was that?" I haven't read the comic, so I'm not sure if it'll please those fans, but for just the average moviegoer I'd say stay away... even with Jennifer Garner being in it, still not quite worth seeing.

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Old 01-14-05 | 02:42 PM
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Just got back...

First off the Fantastic Four trailer was sweet. Looks pretty good.

Now, Elektra. Being an fan of the comics (Mostly the Frank Miller ones, not to familiar with the new ones) I can honestly say that I was pleased very much. Garner IS Elektra, she inhabits the character the same was Reeve did for Superman or Snipes for Blade...she simply is Elektra. General Zo...err...Terence Stamp was perfect as Stick. Typhoid Mary was hot and cool. I loved the look of the film, very supernatural and felt like a dark comic book. Bowman is a master of shadow and light. I really liked that unlike DD, it didn't use any pop songs...effective music. The story was true enough to the comic, yet made it it's own. In the end, I was entertained very much and look forward to seeing it again.

Rating: **** or A

PS - Jen was really really really hot in the movie, especially in the red outfit...
Old 01-14-05 | 03:47 PM
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I am just shocked by this little review, mostly b/c it just doesn't add up. I wish I enjoyed it the way you did but to call this movie an A is just insane to me.


Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
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First off the Fantastic Four trailer was sweet. Looks pretty good.
I guess we just have different taste. My friends & I were literally laughing out loud at how bad it looks. It reminded of a commecial they would play on TV for the next episode of "Mutant X". The thing looks horendous.

Now, Elektra. Being an fan of the comics (Mostly the Frank Miller ones, not to familiar with the new ones) I can honestly say that I was pleased very much. Garner IS Elektra, she inhabits the character the same was Reeve did for Superman or Snipes for Blade...she simply is Elektra.
This is what doesn't add up. Your a fan of the comics? B/c Garner (& I LOVE her, she is why I saw the movie), is so NOT Elektra. She sounds & looks way to sweet & falls for the first guy she sees. In the comics, especially the Miller work, she is cold & ruthless, only Murdock is ever sees her vulnerability.

General Zo...err...Terence Stamp was perfect as Stick.
Yeah, I agree, but he is barely in it.

Typhoid Mary was hot and cool.
Agreed but see above.

I loved the look of the film, very supernatural and felt like a dark comic book. Bowman is a master of shadow and light.
Wow, we just have different tastes. You need to see some Cronenberg, Hitchcock, or any true master of shadow & light b/c the only use of it Bowen used was to cover up the poor fight sequences. And I didn't see anything that looked supernatural about the movie except Tatoo. The entire film had a bland palet & was entirely filmed in just normal locations, nothing supernatural at all.

I really liked that unlike DD, it didn't use any pop songs...effective music.
There was definitely a typical pop song in the Elektra I saw & the movie uses just the now cliched generic pseudo cheezy rock rifts that Daredevil & so many modern action movies have. It also uses the completely overly exposed fast drum beats that after Crouchin Tiger become a huge hit, every director filming a fight scene feels it's mandatory to do the same thing.


PS - Jen was really really really hot in the movie, especially in the red outfit...
That is the only thing I agree on but again, your "master of shadow & light" kept her in the dark the ENTIRE time she had the red outfit on. You don't see one single shot in the whole movie of her in entirety in the light wearing that outfit.

I really do wish, I enjoyed the movie like you did, but it is so far from an "A" it's just funny. The action is just awful, Alias has better fights, the villains all get offed way to easily, there is never a good fight or showdown, the camera is zoomed in way too close when Garner does actually fight. The movie tries so hard to rip offer of other more recent & cooler films, (Kill Bill, either Zhang Yimou film) it was just a little embarassing to watch, unless I guess one doesn't know how unoriginal it is, & then I could see why it's entertaining.

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Old 01-14-05 | 04:26 PM
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But she's in her red "correct" outfit, it's got to be good.
Old 01-14-05 | 04:46 PM
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how can any movie or superhero movie expect to be good when one of the villians has the essence of a bear within him that you actually see on screen! those cheap effects are best used in the crappy made for Sci-Fi movies.
Old 01-14-05 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sessa17
I am just shocked by this little review, mostly b/c it just doesn't add up. I wish I enjoyed it the way you did but to call this movie an A is just insane to me.




I guess we just have different taste. My friends & I were literally laughing out loud at how bad it looks. It reminded of a commecial they would play on TV for the next episode of "Mutant X". The thing looks horendous.



This is what doesn't add up. Your a fan of the comics? B/c Garner (& I LOVE her, she is why I saw the movie), is so NOT Elektra. She sounds & looks way to sweet & falls for the first guy she sees. In the comics, especially the Miller work, she is cold & ruthless, only Murdock is ever sees her vulnerability.



Yeah, I agree, but he is barely in it.



Agreed but see above.



Wow, we just have different tastes. You need to see some Cronenberg, Hitchcock, or any true master of shadow & light b/c the only use of it Bowen used was to cover up the poor fight sequences. And I didn't see anything that looked supernatural about the movie except Tatoo. The entire film had a bland palet & was entirely filmed in just normal locations, nothing supernatural at all.



There was definitely a typical pop song in the Elektra I saw & the movie uses just the now cliched generic pseudo cheezy rock rifts that Daredevil & so many modern action movies have. It also uses the completely overly exposed fast drum beats that after Crouchin Tiger become a huge hit, every director filming a fight scene feels it's mandatory to do the same thing.




That is the only thing I agree on but again, your "master of shadow & light" kept her in the dark the ENTIRE time she had the red outfit on. You don't see one single shot in the whole movie of her in entirety in the light wearing that outfit.

I really do wish, I enjoyed the movie like you did, but it is so far from an "A" it's just funny. The action is just awful, Alias has better fights, the villains all get offed way to easily, there is never a good fight or showdown, the camera is zoomed in way too close when Garner does actually fight. The movie tries so hard to rip offer of other more recent & cooler films, (Kill Bill, either Zhang Yimou film) it was just a little embarassing to watch, unless I guess one doesn't know how unoriginal it is, & then I could see why it's entertaining.

We can't all be as anal retentive as you my friend.

Lighten up, this ain't shakespeare...
Old 01-14-05 | 08:11 PM
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I have to say I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the movie. Like Josh said, it aint Shakespeare, but it is no worse than most comic book movies made (including the Batman and Spiderman movies). I remember how many people thought Hellboy was good, and this is loads better to me. Sure its cheesy, hokie, whatever you can say, but thats what also makes it enjoyable as well. The one thing that I dont get is that what you see from the trailers is what you get, why did anyone think it would be different? See Im the opposite, I wasnt that big a fan of Elektra from the comics. To me (from what I read) she is a boring character and never really did much for me. I went to this because Im a huge Garner fan, and I like her in it. Her, Stamp, Typhoid Mary, and pretty good action is why I enjoyed it. I will agree with Sessa that I wish Stamp and Mary were in it more, their characters were heavily underused.
Old 01-14-05 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh
We can't all be as anal retentive as you my friend.

Lighten up, this ain't shakespeare...
It has nothing to do with being anal retentive it's having a brain & seeing TONS of extremely well made movies of this genre. I love a good mindless movie, that is what X2, Spider-man, Predator & on & on are, but all of those have decent stories, dialogue, & vision by the director.

I'm not expecting Shakespeare, but at least something fun & original. Maybe you haven't seen a lot of movies or have very low standards, I don't, so when a movie just makes poor attempts at ripping off better movies, & does not even make an effort at offering a coherent script, I don't find that entertaining. That people like you do explains why these movies keep getting dumber & dumber & more & more unimaginative. And that you claim to be a huge fan of the source material, & then say Garner embodies Elektra, I just find it hard to belive that anyone who read the Miller stories would think that.

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But she's in her red "correct" outfit, it's got to be good.

but they wouldn't dye her hair... HER FUCK'N HAIR!! a simple matter that deserves a thumbs down for me.
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Originally Posted by DonnachaOne
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A FILM'S COST DOES NOT EQUAL A FILM'S QUALITY.

I'm just sick to death of people defending a film because "it cost ONLY $45 million to make", or some variation.

That is all! Continue...
It does not EQUAL, but it definitely AFFECTS. This is especially true when dealing with action films. Like it or not, a budget limits what a filmmaker can do. The scale, complexity, quality and quantity of action, the locations, the sets, the number of scenes, etc. These can affect the way a filmmaker tells the story and how people respond to the film. It may not be fair to the filmmakers and it may be a bad way to do things (ie, trying to tell a story that you simply cannot put to screen credibly with the given budget), but that's just the way it is. So yes, you can defend a film by noting how much it cost to make--particularly when the complaints are that the film looked cheap or lacked action. Deal with it.
Old 01-14-05 | 10:35 PM
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I havent seen this movie yet, But people keep ragging on Daredevil too. And I thought the daredevil movie was pretty good.
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It does not EQUAL, but it definitely AFFECTS. This is especially true when dealing with action films. Like it or not, a budget limits what a filmmaker can do. The scale, complexity, quality and quantity of action, the locations, the sets, the number of scenes, etc. These can affect the way a filmmaker tells the story and how people respond to the film. It may not be fair to the filmmakers and it may be a bad way to do things (ie, trying to tell a story that you simply cannot put to screen credibly with the given budget), but that's just the way it is. So yes, you can defend a film by noting how much it cost to make--particularly when the complaints are that the film looked cheap or lacked action. Deal with it.
That's an interesting point, in that one of the few reasons I thought maybe Electra would be different is that since it doesn't have the budget of a Spiderman or X2, I hoped the filmmakers would rely less on CGI and more on intense fights. Instead, we get lifeless action scenes and (since we can't possibly make a film these days without CGI) that ridiculous wolf head flying around. Ultimately, while budget can be a crutch with films like this, a complete lack of creativity by the filmmakers ultimately is what kills a film. I think the best action movie of the last 20 years is probably still Die Hard and movie like that would be considered a mid-range budgeted thriller these days (like Electra).
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The only real problem is the story, for the production completely overdoes the mystical background hooey. The picture ends up confusing itself by the end. What the hell is “The Hand” anyway?

Still, it’s a good time. And if they wanted to get polar opposite distance from DAREDEVIL, well…mission accomplished. The two films are nothing alike.

I loved DAREDEVIL, and I liked ELEKTRA. So there.
The Hand were a ninja cult that were prominently featured during Frank Miller's run on Daredevil in the early 80's. They practiced dark magic and mystic arts and were the ones who were in part responsible for bringing Elektra back from the dead. Though it was Daredevil who "purified" her and Stick's brother, Stone, who fully restored her to life.

I haven't seen the film yet. I have to say that I was a huge fan of Daredevil but I'm not all that sure what to expect from the film. I always say whenever a comic book movie is made "how are you going to make this into a movie?". I've found that there are varying degrees of success. If it's better than The Hulk then I'll be happy.
Old 01-15-05 | 12:31 AM
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Hulk was the worst "new" movie yet, and at least it was bearable.

A DD cameo would have been nice, though.
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Hulk was the best if you ask me. Well, it's close between Hulk and DareDevil: DC

It has nothing to do with being anal retentive it's having a brain & seeing TONS of extremely well made movies of this genre. I love a good mindless movie, that is what X2, Spider-man, Predator & on & on are, but all of those have decent stories, dialogue, & vision by the director.

I'm not expecting Shakespeare, but at least something fun & original. Maybe you haven't seen a lot of movies or have very low standards, I don't, so when a movie just makes poor attempts at ripping off better movies, & does not even make an effort at offering a coherent script, I don't find that entertaining. That people like you do explains why these movies keep getting dumber & dumber & more & more unimaginative. And that you claim to be a huge fan of the source material, & then say Garner embodies Elektra, I just find it hard to belive that anyone who read the Miller stories would think that.
Having a hard time understanding that someone has a different opinion from you? Sheesh man, get a grip. I love the Miller comics and I thought the movie was a fun ride, and Jen made a great Elektra. Get the hell over it man. Understand that not everyone shares your feeble ideas on movies and comics.


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