I think putting Hayden in as the Anakin ghost is horrible... thread!
Star Wars fans are funny, I swear.
09-20-04 | 09:58 AM
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Yeha they are......
i mean to me it makes little difference.... i just want to see it in my home theater setup....
but.... my co worker says... "i refuse to buy it. i think he is a jerk for hurting me like that"
i was like.... ooookkk
i mean to me it makes little difference.... i just want to see it in my home theater setup....
but.... my co worker says... "i refuse to buy it. i think he is a jerk for hurting me like that"
i was like.... ooookkk
09-20-04 | 01:53 PM
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I have to say, I'm 26 years old and have never ever thought that "Return of the Jedi" refers to Anakin Skywalker (I always thought it was Luke) -- but the title and the movie have so much more meaning now that I think of it like that!! 
09-20-04 | 02:02 PM
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Oh, and on that note, I think now for the first time that the replacement is stupid.
The ridiculous uproar over the whole Han-Greedo thing has always been hilarious to me -- I never understood why nerds got all bent out of shape about it. I don't care if Han is a cold-blooded killer or keen on self-defense; to me it doesn't change the story.
But, this change, I feel, is different. The other characters' ghosts are of them when they died. Now Anakin's is of him....at what point? Before he kills all the Jedi? After? When he disobeyed the Jedi mandates and got married? When he kills all the women and children sandpeople? It should be of him at death....
That said...I suspect there will be some revelation in ROTS explaining the ghosts (at least I hope so). If so, then maybe I'll be able to buy into the change and it'll make plenty of sense. If not, I think the change is rendered useless.
P.S. If you got anal about my Han-Greedo/nerd comment, I'm not responding to it.
The ridiculous uproar over the whole Han-Greedo thing has always been hilarious to me -- I never understood why nerds got all bent out of shape about it. I don't care if Han is a cold-blooded killer or keen on self-defense; to me it doesn't change the story.
But, this change, I feel, is different. The other characters' ghosts are of them when they died. Now Anakin's is of him....at what point? Before he kills all the Jedi? After? When he disobeyed the Jedi mandates and got married? When he kills all the women and children sandpeople? It should be of him at death....
That said...I suspect there will be some revelation in ROTS explaining the ghosts (at least I hope so). If so, then maybe I'll be able to buy into the change and it'll make plenty of sense. If not, I think the change is rendered useless.
P.S. If you got anal about my Han-Greedo/nerd comment, I'm not responding to it.
09-20-04 | 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Last I recall, It was at the hands of Bilbo that an entire order and repulbic was brought to it's knees. To relate the two, Bilbo would have to kill everyone in the shire before going on his little adventure.
Last I recall, It was at the hands of Bilbo that an entire order and repulbic was brought to it's knees. To relate the two, Bilbo would have to kill everyone in the shire before going on his little adventure.
09-20-04 | 04:58 PM
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Actually, I think I'll try to contact PANTS today... I suppose it's close enough to the official date (and when he can see the change himself). I'll let you know what comes of it.
Originally posted by rennervision
The best thing about this was on DVD Talk a few months back. Pants challenged someone to bet him this was a stupid internet rumor, and Luka bravely accepted for the prize of a DVD boxed set.
Luka - since Pants went out of his way to get out of this agreement by getting banned, was there ever a happy resolution to this? I was looking forward to September 21st solely for this climatic moment!
The best thing about this was on DVD Talk a few months back. Pants challenged someone to bet him this was a stupid internet rumor, and Luka bravely accepted for the prize of a DVD boxed set.
Luka - since Pants went out of his way to get out of this agreement by getting banned, was there ever a happy resolution to this? I was looking forward to September 21st solely for this climatic moment!
09-20-04 | 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
I have to say, I'm 26 years old and have never ever thought that "Return of the Jedi" refers to Anakin Skywalker (I always thought it was Luke) -- but the title and the movie have so much more meaning now that I think of it like that!!
I have to say, I'm 26 years old and have never ever thought that "Return of the Jedi" refers to Anakin Skywalker (I always thought it was Luke) -- but the title and the movie have so much more meaning now that I think of it like that!!
also, can't it be both of them?
09-20-04 | 06:10 PM
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I never thought of Luke as the "Jedi" from the title. He doesn't return. He becomes a Jedi. But for a very long time, I had always thought it referred to Anakin. It didn't occur to me until much later the title had the twofold meaning (Anakin's return to the light side and the rennaisance of the Jedi order). Had the title meant to soley refer to Anakin, it would've been called Return of a Jedi.
09-20-04 | 07:05 PM
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i had thought it was Luke's 'return' home (a la Jabba scene in beginning) and his 'return' to Degobah (sp?), to finish with Yoda and thus become a true Jedi. that always made the most sense to me at the time.
09-21-04 | 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Eplicon
I never thought of Luke as the "Jedi" from the title. He doesn't return. He becomes a Jedi. But for a very long time, I had always thought it referred to Anakin. It didn't occur to me until much later the title had the twofold meaning (Anakin's return to the light side and the rennaisance of the Jedi order). Had the title meant to soley refer to Anakin, it would've been called Return of a Jedi.
I never thought of Luke as the "Jedi" from the title. He doesn't return. He becomes a Jedi. But for a very long time, I had always thought it referred to Anakin. It didn't occur to me until much later the title had the twofold meaning (Anakin's return to the light side and the rennaisance of the Jedi order). Had the title meant to soley refer to Anakin, it would've been called Return of a Jedi.
Speaking as an English major, it's all about the multiple levels of meaning, particularly when dealing with a word that can be both singular and plural. See also: The Last Samurai.
What if it had its original title - Revenge of the Jedi?
09-21-04 | 03:44 AM
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What if it had its original title - Revenge of the Jedi?
What if it had its original title - Revenge of the Jedi?
09-21-04 | 03:23 PM
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really take a good look...doesn't the pic of Darth on the cover of the set make him look sympathetic and remorseful? i absolutely love that side of the box and will use it for display purposes...It truly makes me see him in a whole new light and think about stuff...
09-21-04 | 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
What does that have to do with Hayden in his place in the spirit scene?
What does that have to do with Hayden in his place in the spirit scene?
09-21-04 | 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Toad
The ridiculous uproar over the whole Han-Greedo thing has always been hilarious to me -- I never understood why nerds got all bent out of shape about it. I don't care if Han is a cold-blooded killer or keen on self-defense; to me it doesn't change the story.
The ridiculous uproar over the whole Han-Greedo thing has always been hilarious to me -- I never understood why nerds got all bent out of shape about it. I don't care if Han is a cold-blooded killer or keen on self-defense; to me it doesn't change the story.
09-22-04 | 06:21 PM
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mods...can we move this to the super secret SW forum?
09-22-04 | 06:53 PM
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I was under the impression that "Return of the Jedi" referred to Jedi as a group/entity rather then a singular Jedi. Although we don't see any new Jedi, i just felt that Luke becoming a Jedi would predicate the return of Jedi protection in the galaxy or whatevers (not a big star wars fan so dont push me on details 
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09-22-04 | 07:10 PM
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You are simply wrong, this change totally affects the character of Han Solo from badass smuggler to bantha fodder.
You are simply wrong, this change totally affects the character of Han Solo from badass smuggler to bantha fodder.
09-23-04 | 12:20 AM
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[B]I never thought of Luke as the "Jedi" from the title. He doesn't return. He becomes a Jedi. But for a very long time, I had always thought it referred to Anakin. It didn't occur to me until much later the title had the twofold meaning (Anakin's return to the light side and the rennaisance of the Jedi order). Had the title meant to soley refer to Anakin, it would've been called Return of a Jedi. [/B
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[B]I never thought of Luke as the "Jedi" from the title. He doesn't return. He becomes a Jedi. But for a very long time, I had always thought it referred to Anakin. It didn't occur to me until much later the title had the twofold meaning (Anakin's return to the light side and the rennaisance of the Jedi order). Had the title meant to soley refer to Anakin, it would've been called Return of a Jedi. [/B
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Hey Jack!
On the contrary, for the title of RETURN OF THE JEDI, I always viewed that Luke completed his training once and for all. The Jedi were all but extinct.
But with Luke's training complete, the Jedi, as an order, have returned.
09-24-04 | 11:20 PM
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How about we now change the subject to what the "No... there is another..." line means. Now, I have always considered it to be Vader. Others say it HAS to be Leia, because of the line "The other Yoda spoke of was your sister" line. But that just refered to the "there is another Skywalker" and not the "No... there is another" line.
09-25-04 | 12:16 AM
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How about we now change the subject to what the "No... there is another..." line means. Now, I have always considered it to be Vader. Others say it HAS to be Leia, because of the line "The other Yoda spoke of was your sister" line. But that just refered to the "there is another Skywalker" and not the "No... there is another" line.
How about we now change the subject to what the "No... there is another..." line means. Now, I have always considered it to be Vader. Others say it HAS to be Leia, because of the line "The other Yoda spoke of was your sister" line. But that just refered to the "there is another Skywalker" and not the "No... there is another" line.