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I saw UE yesterday and liked it. I've read this entire thread (I'm at work, so I'm bored), but I'm still confused.
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Originally Posted by immortal_zeus
I saw UE yesterday and liked it. I've read this entire thread (I'm at work, so I'm bored), but I'm still confused.
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I liked it. ***1/2 out five. I liked how they pretty much jumped right in where the last one left after a little back story to catch every up - thankfully, they didn't spend too much time doing so.
Another thing I was grateful for - the lack of a horrible modern rock soundtrack. The music was pretty good. And Kate's belly in that one scene. :drool: |
Michael and Selene's child would be "pure" because it would be born as either a vampire, werewolf, or hybrid. It would not be "pure" if it were born human and would have to be turned. Hence, Michael and Selene are not "pure" (since both were bitten) but their child would be.
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you're only pure if you're bitten by a wolf or bat. william and marcus. michael isn't pure, selene isn't pure. so how could the child be pure? it'll be born a vampire/wolf/hybrid, but it won't be a pure blood because it still has human blood in it.
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Again, according to the mythos of this series, purity is established by birth. Hence, Marcus and William, though the first of their kind, would not be considered pure. Neither would have Viktor. But, had Somja and Lucian's child been born, that child would have been categorized as "pure". Think of it as the Dunedain in LOTR. Aragorn to be specific. His parents were of "diluted" bloodlines but their child, being born of two parents originating of said bloodline (however diluted) produced a pure heir. That is why Aragorn was blessed with long life but his parents were not. The same goes of the vampires and werewolves of the Underworld Universe.
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Originally Posted by Janus3
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Anyway, thanks for clearing that up for me....although based upon RocShemp's post, it looks like the "pure" thing is something to be debated. |
Originally Posted by immortal_zeus
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Anyway, thanks for clearing that up for me....although based upon RocShemp's post, it looks like the "pure" thing is something to be debated. Spoiler:
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
Again, according to the mythos of this series, purity is established by birth. Hence, Marcus and William, though the first of their kind, would not be considered pure. Neither would have Viktor. But, had Somja and Lucian's child been born, that child would have been categorized as "pure".
The Underworld Novel clearly states that Viktor was NOT a pureborn Vampire. He was a once human who was bitten; which is kinda funny considering his obsession with keeping Vampire bloodlines pure...or at least, Lycan free. Lucian was Pure because Both of his parents were Wild Lycan who were captured by Viktor. You see, based on the Novel, Viktor was the one who originally enslaved Lycans. They were running free in the lands and many were killing humans. Viktor realized that everytime Lycans did this it it fed the hatred and distrust humans already had for immortals. By enslaving Lycans they could cut down the attacks and keep humans off their backs. |
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
I don't know if UW2 has changed some of this info or if it's the same but:
The Underworld Novel clearly states that Viktor was NOT a pureborn Vampire. He was once human who was bitten; which is kinda funny considering his obsession with keeping Vampire bloodlines pure...or at least Lycan free. Lucian was Pure because BOth of his parents were Wild Lycan who were captured by Viktor. You see, based on the Novel, Viktor was the one who originally enslaved Lycans. They were running free in the lands and many were killing humans. Viktor realized that everytime Lycans did this it it fed the hatred and distrust humans already had for immortals. By enlaving Lycans they could cut down the attacks and keep humans off their backs. |
Originally Posted by RocShemp
Again, according to the mythos of this series, purity is established by birth. Hence, Marcus and William, though the first of their kind, would not be considered pure. Neither would have Viktor. But, had Somja and Lucian's child been born, that child would have been categorized as "pure". Think of it as the Dunedain in LOTR. Aragorn to be specific. His parents were of "diluted" bloodlines but their child, being born of two parents originating of said bloodline (however diluted) produced a pure heir. That is why Aragorn was blessed with long life but his parents were not. The same goes of the vampires and werewolves of the Underworld Universe.
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
That backs up what I was saying about Viktor not being pure and the film backs that up as well. Saldy, no mention of Lucian's heritage is made in either film. It's only insinuated in the first film when Lucian mentions that he was born in servitude. Also, another hint of his pure blood was his ability to remove the silver bullets without pulling them out and the fact that the nitrate round didn't kill him imediately.
Lucian's ability to push the bullets out and not dieing when shot with the new rounds had nothing to do with being Pure. I believe it has more to do with <b>age</b>. Selene mentions in her narration in UW1 that <i>"The moon no longer held its sway, and older more powerful Lycan could change at will"</i>, or something like that. This is why Viktor was able to kill Raze with his bare hands. Apparently most lycan in Wolf form are stronger than Vampires. Anyway, this age thing also makes me wonder how old Amelia was and why she was such an easy target for the Lycan in UW1. |
Yeah, I remember it being about Lucian being an elder werewolf. But I venture to guess that it might also have to do with him being pure. If not, Raze and that other other Lycan selen killed (the one Raze said that the silver rounds "prevented him from making the change") wouldn't have to remove the silver manually. They would have just pushed it out like Lucian did.
That said, don't worry about your facts. UW:E changes little of what is stated in UW. All it does is tie loose ends and confirm that Viktor was not the oldest but a turned vampire. |
Originally Posted by RocShemp
Yeah, I remember it being about Lucian being an elder werewolf. But I venture to guess that it might also have to do with him being pure. If not, Raze and that other other Lycan selen killed (the one Raze said that the silver rounds "prevented him from making the change") wouldn't have to remove the silver manually. They would have just pushed it out like Lucian did.
Giantrobo <<<< ----UNDERWORLD FANBOY ALERT!! :lol: If you remember, when the doctor examined the Lycan he said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that <i>the Bullets had already pierced his VITAL ORGANS so it was pointless to remove the bullets.</i> That Lycan had no chance once she shot him then came up and shot him again at close range. Now, Raze had those Silver Shurikens in his chest but I assume the blades were hooked into flesh so IF he had the ability to push them out this would've made it more difficult. That said, don't worry about your facts. UW:E changes little of what is stated in UW. All it does is tie loose ends and confirm that Viktor was not the oldest but a turned vampire. Right, it's just a movie but it's still fun to act like a "Star Wars Fanboy" and get way too deep into the story. :D |
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Giantrobo <<<< ----UNDERWORLD FANBOY ALERT!! :lol:
If you remember, when the doctor examined the Lycan he said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that <i>the Bullets had already pierced his VITAL ORGANS so it was pointless to remove the bullets.</i> That Lycan had no chance once she shot him then came up and shot him again at close range. Now, Raze had those Silver Shurikens in his chest but I assume the blades were hooked into flesh so IF he had the ability to push them out this would've made it more difficult.
Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Right, it's just a movie but it's still fun to to act like a "Star Wars Fanboy" and get way too deep into the story. :D
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
What do you mean? There were only two hybrids: Michael and Marcus. William was a Lycan. Selene was a super-vampire. And Alexander was none of the above.
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He was awakened by the blood of a Lycan (the googly-eyed scientist) at the end of the first film. Since he posseses the Corvinus strain, he became a Hybrid. That's why he wanted to find and turn William into another Hybrid.
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Ah, the scientist was a lycan - thanks, RS.
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Originally Posted by B.A.
Ah, the scientist was a lycan - thanks, RS.
According to the Novel, :p , he was a NAZI scientist bitten by Lucian back during WWII. I assume he was chosen so that he could aid Lucian in his "Hybrid Project". |
Hmm, a Nazified werewolf scientist - how scary.
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Originally Posted by DJLinus
Saw this last night and liked it a lot. I haven't seen so many impalements in a long time.
One thing kept going through my mind, though: where the hell does this series take place? -The first movie was urban, except for the mansion. The vampires and Lucian talked with English accents. Michael, the doctor, and the cops had American accents. -The sequel opens with Selene and Michael on a night's journey on foot in the middle of nowhere. The TV news anchor in the tavern, as well as the cops, seemed to be speaking in an Eastern European language or Russian. The guard at the pier sounded like he was talking in French. |
Both films take place in Budapest, Hungary.
Also, the lycan scientist's name was Singe. |
Hungary makes sense, given the vampire mythos. Just wondering why Budapest has American cops and doctors. Also, curious as to Kraven's background (he had an American accent, too).
Originally Posted by immortal_zeus
Didn't you know? Vampires and people in space are always British. :D
Originally Posted by Xander
And all the main characters speak english so the whole movie isn't subtitled.
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What? Underworld 3 in Aramaic? :D
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Originally Posted by Patman
What? Underworld 3 in Aramaic? :D
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