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Old 10-11-04 | 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Ketamine
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Shit?? Thank God, I say. That Freddy/Jason shlock can bring in whatever character to battle they want....but leave Raimi's classic film series out of this shit. I'm glad some still have the sense to realize what a terrible idea this whole Ash/Jason/Freddy thing was.
Old 10-11-04 | 11:12 AM
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Shit?? Thank God, I say. That Freddy/Jason shlock can bring in whatever character to battle they want....but leave Raimi's classic film series out of this shit. I'm glad some still have the sense to realize what a terrible idea this whole Ash/Jason/Freddy thing was.
Aw well. I would have suffered it's existance if it meant greenlighting Evil Dead 4.
Old 10-11-04 | 12:13 PM
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Anyone else find this statement from Raimi to be interesting?

"I didn't want to be in a position where I was protecting Ash, the character that I want to eventually make another movie with one day, protecting him and not allowing the director to do what he felt he had to do."
Old 10-11-04 | 03:31 PM
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Yup - I read that article as good news... no versus movie with Ash and the prospect of another ED movie.
Old 10-11-04 | 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by Rivero
Shit?? Thank God, I say. That Freddy/Jason shlock can bring in whatever character to battle they want....but leave Raimi's classic film series out of this shit. I'm glad some still have the sense to realize what a terrible idea this whole Ash/Jason/Freddy thing was.

I agree completely with you there. Fuck'n thank you jebus! Let me take a moment out and laugh at all those who I had pretty heated debates about this subject with.

BAW-HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHA
told you so!

With Raimi's heat from spiderman, it was no doubt that he could green light any project he presented to any studio so Evil Dead 4 was a go no matter what as soon as Raimi wanted to get on it.
Old 10-12-04 | 05:01 PM
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Yeah, let's let Ash sit on the shelf in a time period where Campbell is still in great shape to play Ash in the youthful physical way we're used to seeing him portrayed. Thanks Raimi.
Old 10-12-04 | 05:09 PM
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Yeah, let's let Ash sit on the shelf in a time period where Campbell is still in great shape to play Ash in the youthful physical way we're used to seeing him portrayed. Thanks Raimi.
I agree. I enjoy schlock cinema and quite frankly, this isn't like Indiana Jones or a character that's serious at all. It's Ash, and I'd love to see the character pop up in other films, especially something like Freddy vs. Jason which would double in entertainment with Brucie involved. I guess I just don't feel the need to protect these characters since, well, they're all pretty silly to begin with and would mesh well into something even sillier.

But it is good to hear that Raimi intends to make ED4. That...will be awesome. But of course, will it happen? Honestly I'd rather see FvJvAsh then never see Ash again, and with Spiderman 3 we're not going to be seeing an Evil Dead 4 for at least another 4 years.
Old 10-12-04 | 07:33 PM
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Count me in as one of the people happy that this won't be happening. Sounded like a very bad idea from the beginning.
Old 10-12-04 | 10:40 PM
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rennervision,

What I found interesting was the comments around that. "I didn't want to be in a position where I was protecting Ash, the character that I want to eventually make another movie with one day, protecting him and not allowing the director to do what he felt he had to do."

I dunno about you guys but I read that as either they were gonna kill off Ash at the end of the movie or he was to be nothing like the Ash we know and love.

If that's the case, I guess I'm okay with this not happenning though I thought the match-up would have been fun.
Old 10-13-04 | 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by nightmaster
Yeah, let's let Ash sit on the shelf in a time period where Campbell is still in great shape to play Ash in the youthful physical way we're used to seeing him portrayed. Thanks Raimi.
Saw him tonight. shook his hand. he still seemed in great shape and really had a strong grip. He doesn't look much older then before. I am happy that they decided NOT to have him be used in some lame VS series and once Spiderman 3 is complete I am positive any studio will green light Evil Dead 4. it's only a couple more years.

I'll be glad to wait and he can pull it off.
Old 10-13-04 | 12:34 AM
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Freddy vs Jason vs Ash sounded like a horrible idea anyways... Both Vs movies we have already werent any good. They were just box office gold, but not good movies.

Freddy vs Jason v Ash would make a lot more than an Evil Dead 4, but it's still a bad idea.

I dont know if an Evil Dead 4 is such a great idea theatrically either. I mean the first 3 films all bombed.

Maybe Lions Gates would pick it up for a direct to video release (like Dimension did for Hellraiser)?

The first 3 films did horrible.

Evil Dead: $2,000,000
Evil Dead 2: $5,000,000
Army of Darkness: $11,000,000

If I was a studio head, I wouldnt be so quick to sign.

Sure, the movie has a fanbase. But, in General, there is no huge Evil Dead or Bruce Campbell fanbase.

Bubba Ho Tep only made over $1,000,000 for example.

Though if the movie (Evil Dead 4) is good, who cares what it makes?
Old 10-13-04 | 02:45 AM
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AvP's drop in it's second week was a clear sign that it was not a box office gold film.

I'm not sure if FvsJvsA would have made more then Evil Dead 4. with the amount of coverage and the amount of dvds out there on the market, I think Evil Dead has gotten a bit more spotlight. Though it is still a cult classic and not entirely mainstream, I think an evil dead 4 movie would generate some good box office numbers.

As a studio head, with raimi's success with spiderman and his name recognition now, I would sign in a second. Lets do the numbers for a director like peter jackson. You have dead alive, you have meet the feebles and then you have an average take in film like frightneers. Yet they intrusted him with LOTR and BANG! now he could pretty much walk into any studio with shit for a script and shit for an idea and get a huge budget.

Especially with sony, I'm sure Sam could get a large budget for an Evil Dead film.
Old 10-13-04 | 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by ClownFace666
I dont know if an Evil Dead 4 is such a great idea theatrically either. I mean the first 3 films all bombed.
The first two films were incredibly low budget, so even with their low boxoffice they made a profit.

Now, Army of Darkness did bomb in theatres. However, it has since done well on home video, becoming a perennial best seller for Anchor Bay. In fact, all of the Evil Dead films have done well on home video, especially DVD. So the audience potential for a 4th film is much bigger than their theatrical takes would imply.

I think the fact that Ash was seriously considered as a main character to the FvJ sequel shows how much recognizability the character has.
Old 10-13-04 | 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Ketamine
Shit!!!
an actual interview, vs. quoting him. here
Old 10-13-04 | 10:27 AM
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Don't you be doubting the latino reviews sources man. They seem very ontop of their form. IGN seems to jump on an already developed story reported elsewere and just repeats the already comfirmed.
Old 10-13-04 | 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
AvP's drop in it's second week was a clear sign that it was not a box office gold film.



Well, the huge opening meant it was box office gold. You'd have a hard time convincing me that Fox thinks AVP was a financial bomb. They'll be seeing green off that movie even more when DVD hits. I'm sure they were mighty pleased. And if anything, it goes to show the versus thing as a commercial product does work. We've had two versus films, and both have performed very well financially, despite being films that were less than liked. Of course, with FvJ, I'll never reall understand the complaints since it's not like it's any stupider than your average F13 movie. But in the end, at the moment, versus films are profitable and I can't blame any studio for wanting to make one.

Now, I just like the Ash character, I think FvJ is silly, and quite frankly so is Ash, so it just seemed like a good fit. While I look forward to ED4, it's not like we'd be messing with continuity. I just say throw him in there and give us more Ash. Oh well though. Guess I'll just wait 5 years.
Old 10-13-04 | 06:59 PM
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Can you take my word as a fox employee who hears the word of mouth that goes around the lot, that while it had a good opening, it had no legs. While it will bring profit in home video sales, it's hard to point at a movie that doesn't do that.

Fox was also not pleased that P.W.S.A decided to blame the studio for it not living up to fans standards. They were pleased that this kicked off a relaunch of those two franchises and they will milk the dvd for all they can.

As for FvJvA. I think Sam did the right thing. Why put your star who you will be using down the line in a film where it could potentially mess up the character? fuck continuity, look at what a laughable bunch freddy and jason is now. They are almost as bad as chucky. It's pointless to just toss him in for the hell of it. It will not bring about anything productive and could risk the character.

More importantly how can you really toss in a normal human like Ash against Freddy and Jason? Freddy and Ash may be a bit slapstick, but Jason is the stiff relentless killer. Ash can't fight with him.

It wasn't a good idea and I'm glad I got to hear it from the horses mouth that it wasn't happening.
Old 10-13-04 | 10:50 PM
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Well, now that the silly vs. Ash idea is quashed, let's get to Freddy vs. Jason vs. Pinhead!!!
Old 10-13-04 | 11:35 PM
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Considering a recent review in Cineschlock, how about Freddy vs. Jason vs. Angela? After all, on of the taglines for her first movie was "Angela is having a party, Jason and Freddy are too scared to come. But You'll have a hell of a time."
Old 10-14-04 | 12:27 AM
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Maybe they meant THIS Ash....



Old 10-14-04 | 12:32 AM
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You know, a friend wanted me to right an Ash vs. Ash story and you just reminded me that I never got around to it, antennaball. *l*

The photoshop pic he made was a hoot too.
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Can you take my word as a fox employee who hears the word of mouth that goes around the lot, that while it had a good opening, it had no legs. While it will bring profit in home video sales, it's hard to point at a movie that doesn't do that.

Fox was also not pleased that P.W.S.A decided to blame the studio for it not living up to fans standards. They were pleased that this kicked off a relaunch of those two franchises and they will milk the dvd for all they can.

You don't need to work at Fox to say it had no legs. My point was that versus flicks are commercially viableand that AvP was no bomb. They might've hoped for more, but you can't tell me Fox is so pissed at its performance they won't want to make a sequel and cash in on the film and its possible future revenue. Not to mention, a movie like AvP rarely if ever has real legs. No doubt Fox would rather have it open big and fall fast then open moderate and have legs (well, that's how every other studio thinks...I can't imagine Fox is any different).

With regards to Ash, I just don't find Evil Dead something that's some holy grail, and would just love to see Ash thrown into another gorefest horror flick. But hey, that's all opinion so to each their own. The bright side is Raimi is keen on making an ED4, and that is gold.

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