RE: Why Budd's shotgun wasn't deadly...

I didn't think he intended to kill her with that blast - just knock her down, take the wind out of her sails, etc.

I mean, he had the needle with the knock-out juice awfully handy if he intended to kill her with the shotgun.

I think the way he dispatched her was his intention all along.

So bloody true, my friend.

I really doubt this is true, such referential material, such as the poster in Budd's trailer and the viewing of Shogun Assassin play thematic roles in the film. Can anyone identify the Western?

I just got back from seeing this and wow, I just really can't decide which "volume" I liked better. Total change of pace, but at the same time a perfect complement. Vol 2 makes 1 seems like a simple action flick now. Pacing didn't bother me at all, I was totally engrossed throughout. Best QT movie(s).

I'm assuming we're past SPOILER blacking here so, if not don't read anymore.

I've notice a few people complaining about Bud's job sequence and wasting too much time to show us that he pretty much ended up a loser. I thought it was actually kinda brilliant on QT's part. I think he was trying to get us to feel sympathetic towards Budd. Even his few scenes from Vol 1 was giving me that impression ("She deserves her revenge. And we deserve to die") and that maybe he would just surrender to the Bride when she showed up and take his deserved "comeuppance." It made the shotgun blast through the door that much more shocking to me, to be honest. I was a little disappointed that the Bride didn't get to kill him, but that may indeed be to contrast the number of kills for the Bride between the two parts. I really was hoping to see that weasel midget grave digger get it somehow!

The Pai-Mei scenes were just...so f'in cool. I loved the scenes with Uma and Hatori from the first flick (a lot of my friends called that part boring) and this is kinda the equivalent of that, but with more action and some great reactions from Uma. Didn't like how he was ultimately despatched though :( I kept thinking of him as some mystical character above all others.

While this part may not have the over-the-top violence of the first. The Elle fight certainly upped the brutality quotient, much more so then the Vernita fight. It was like two Terminators fighting! The squishing scene certainly ellicited a few gasps from the theatre crowd. -eek-

The standoff over the pregnancy test was hilarious. I love professional hitwomen! Classic QT.

I was completely satisfied with the resolution of the Bill situation. I was also expecting some sort of "ultimate battle with the master," but in the end it was a nice little twist. For a while I even thought they may have lived happily efter after together, once the kid entered the picture. Wouldn't have been to happy about that.

These films have been the best thing I've seen in the movies in years. Carradine & Uma should get nominations for their roles. Well worth the seven year wait.

P.S. Was I correct in seeing that the guy who played the 80 year old pimp was the same one who played the sheriff in Vol 1 and Fro, Dusk Till Dawn (IMDB doesn't have the full cast credits yet)? If so, I had no idea it was him.

Absolutely. Michael Parks played both. His character in From Dusk Till Dawn is the same as his character featured in Volume 1.

I think the Bride still killed Budd... Her codename was "Black Mamba" anyway :)

woah are you serious???? :eek:

Damn I'd of never recognized him but now that it has been verified and I think about it, they did kinda look alike! But damn, how the heck did he nail that mexican accent so well?

One other thing... Uma being buried alive. How was it possible she could dig her way out from under all that dirt? I mean, wouldn't the pressure from the dirt in the grave come rushing down to basically smother(if not smash) her? Wouldn't she be too deeply "packed in" under the rubble to fight her way up?

Yeah I'm not sure how that worked either. The side view of it showed a bunch of open space in between the surface and the coffin, but still all the dirt was stable on top. Maybe the coffin wasn't COMPLETLEY covered by dirt. Perhaps there was some type of cover at the top, and dirt thrown on top of it.

Anyways, I loved the movie. 10/10 here as opposed to the 9/10 for Volume 1. I loved it and I don't care what anyone else says.

I had a little problem with the whole plot like some of you had....
How could Beatrix possibly have the strength to do the five pressure point move on Bill and punch through a wooden coffin when she was put into a coma after all that training. Hell she could barley get out of her bed, yet she could still do those moves.

No, no, see, the point is that Elle used a black mamba to kill Budd so she could claim that Beatrix did it, and then Bill wouldn't get mad at Elle for killing his "brother."

Yeah, I had no idea until I saw the credits with Michael Parks again, I was like "wait a sec..."

Technique vs. Physical strength.

You got to remember she is kind of a super woman - she managed to get her legs working after a 4 year coma in less than a day.

The grave escape was believable to me considering if you know how magicians are able to accomplish it. Just as long as there isn't too much weight in the grave.

The Golden Stallion.

Kind of a SuperMAN right? ;) Killer in a human world!
Anyways, you're probably right. Just something I thought seemed out of focus.

I see a lot of people's opinions of there was too much filler and some who thought it could use more. I see that the movie is so interwoven with so many other aspects of the movie, that it'd be hard to cut anything out really. QT couldn't please everybody.

It's going under the assumption that they just tossed the dirt that they dug up back on her quickly. Using this idea there would ideally be some air pockets and the dirt would be sort of easier to plow through. The dirt coming into the newly busted open coffin would be sorta replacing or making a path for the dirt she is going through..

or I don't know. For some reason it seemed very hard to imagine but I bought it with no problem.

Yeah at first it didn't make total sense but I could buy it, going off the "world" this was taking place in. She knocked around the coffin looking for a weak spot, busted it open, the coffin collapses, dirt piles down, she gets out. They would have had to pat the dirt down to ensure otherwise and by the nifty sound effects, you can tell they didn't.

The dirt must've been pretty loose, since it she kept being sucked back down like quicksand when she was trying to pull out..

just got back...thought it was weak. the movie is about 10% action, 90% talking. and most of the talking bored the shit out of me. the only scenes i liked a lot were pai me. overall i give it ** while i gave vol 1 ****.

This opinion seems pretty common among the people who disliked the film. I think the thing with Kill Bill is that people just didn't know what to expect. When vol 1 came out, everyone was expecting all the classic QT dialogue and characters, and what they got was mindless action - this threw people for a loop. Then when vol 2 came out, everyone was expecting more mindless action, and what they got was characters and dialogue - and once again they were thrown for a loop.

And on an unrelated note, has anyone seen the TV ad for the Kill Bill volume 1 DVD? I just saw it, and something the narrator said really confused me. He summarized the plot by saying, "Her cover has been blown. Her only option is to kill the man who set her up." Huh? Exactly what cover was blown, and how did Bill "set her up"? Is this just a lame way of making the plot sound as cliched and simple as possible to appeal to J6P?

i could see this movie growing on me a bit with future viewings, but in no way would i rank it up there with vol 1. i expected it to fall short of vol 1, but i was not prepared for how slow vol 2 would be. the opening 1/2 hour was painful........ i thought i was starting to like it with the pai me and elle scenes, but then the ending sequence was especially dissapointing. i can't give it a good grade at this point. ** or C. vol 1 was **** A- for me.

I love how you guys are speculating about the dirt on the grave, but nobody's said a word about the fact that Pai Mei was over 1000 years old!

and stood on the end of an extened drawn sword balancing perfectly no less :D

Actually, no. Based on all the previews, clips and interviews for "V1", I did expect action. Mindless? No. Over the top? Yes. And I also expected the QT trademark dialogue. Which it had. "V2" was mostly just dialogue. And not very interesting at that (IMO). It just wasn't the usual QT fare.

So did you have a favorite chapter?

Chapter 1: (2)
Chapter 2:The Blood-Splattered Bride
Chapter 3:The Origin of O-Ren Ishii
Chapter 4:The Man From Okinawa
Chapter 5:Showdown at the House of Blue Leaves
Chapter 6:Massacre at Two Pines
Chapter 7:The Lonely Grave of Paula Shultz
Chapter 8:The Cruel Tutleage of Pai Mei
Chapter 9:Elle and I
Chapter 10:Face to Face

My favorites would probably be in this order:

Chp 5
Chp 10
Chp 3
Chp 8
Chp 9
Chp 1
Chp 4
Chp 7
Chp 6
Chp 2

Nice idea.

Chp 5: House of Blue leaves
Chp 8: Pai Mei
Chp 4: Hattori Hanzo
Chp 9: Elle and I
Chp 10: Face to Face
Chp 7: Lonely Grave
Chp 3: Origin of O-Ren
Chp 1: Vernita Green
Chp 6: Massacre at 2 Pines
Chp 2: Blood splattered Bride

great question.

ch 5
ch 3
ch 8
ch 4
ch 9
ch 1
ch 7
ch 2
ch 10
ch 6

My order:

8
5
7
9
Final
3
4
1
6
2

That's is a great idea. Maybe it should be a seperate thread cause a lot of people will probably do this and it would be nice to eventually tally up the faves, without mucking up the regular discussion.

[quote]So did you have a favorite chapter?

Chapter 1: (2)
Chapter 2:The Blood-Splattered Bride
Chapter 3:The Origin of O-Ren Ishii
Chapter 4:The Man From Okinawa
Chapter 5:Showdown at the House of Blue Leaves
Chapter 6:Massacre at Two Pines
Chapter 7:The Lonely Grave of Paula Shultz
Chapter 8:The Cruel Tutleage of Pai Mei
Chapter 9:Elle and I
Chapter 10:Face to Face
[quote]

3
5
10
9
8
7
6
1
4
2

I also thought this was a perfect resolution to those two characters. There was an intimate bond between the Bride and Bill. If they had another sword fight, that would have been unsatisfying. However, she killed him in the best and perhaps the only way she could: by breaking his heart. Only the closest and most intimate person to Bill could kill him, and only that person would be able to kill him in such a way. IF they had fought with swords, I think it would have been a draw anyway, so this was the more satisfying resolution. He let her in too close, and she broke his heart.

does every thread turn into number listings? first punisher and now this.. CONVERSATION!!!! not listing. :p

I also hate numbers. make a seperate thread!

OK, i made a seperate thread and gave credit to Mondo Kane for the idea!

hah, random trivia:
That's pretty amusing, I gotta say. So of course, no, Hanzo's sushi didn't get any better.

Saw it tonight and absolutely loved it, even more than Volume I, which was awesome. The Pai Mei chapter was very amusing, the battle with Elle was classic, and the face-off with Bill was much more than I anticipated. I don't have a single complaint with this film, it was essentially perfect to me. I will be seeing it again very soon, but I think this tops Pulp Fiction for me.
Probably 10 people walked out of the theater by the midpoint, and afterwards I heard a few people complaining "This one had no action like the first, they did nothing but talk".

Hell, the place doesn't even let the customers place an order. Hanzo just serves whatever kind of sushi he wants. ;)

There's another one that refers to her as an "agent".

I saw it last night. Really really enjoyed it. More than part one even. I too was kinda puzzled by the shotgun thing but I guess it could be non-lethal if it was salt or whatever, although where did he get rock salt shotgun cartridges?

Also why was her daughter so casual about seeing her mother for the first time ever?

Well, Bill told BB that mommy was "sleeping." He may have taken her to the coma ward to see her. She would have no idea that mommy was actually half dead.

I saw Vol.2 yesterday, and like many here, absolutely loved it! While it has a different tone than Vol.1 did, it complements it quite nicely.

Several great scenes that I took away from this film (Bud and his boss in the strip club; The Bride and Elle in the trailer home; The Bride and Bill's showdown at his house), but my absolute favorite was the opening scene at the Twin Pines wedding chapel. You know, the scene with Bo Svenson (:up: :up: ) ;)

Seriously though, the shot of The Bride walking towards the door with the camera, from inside the building, looking out into the vastness of the Western landscape was one of the finest homages to one of the greatest movies of all-time (The Searchers), IMO.

Also, in that scene - the shots of The Brides sandals and Bill's boots approaching eachother was taken from somewhere as I've seen it before, but cannot recall which film that was 'borrowed' from.

All in all, I love the atmosphere that this film has and the aura that it possesses. A truly wonderful piece of cinematic expertise.

Yes, I love this explanation. I don't feel Bill's demise was anti-climatic at all. It was bittersweet, it made me ache which was much like their relationship. When Bill asked Kiddo how he looked and she replied, "You look ready." Man, that was good. Can you imagine Bill dying any other way?

After being so disappointed with sequels lately, I don't have any problems with Vol 2. Many will quibble about this being a true sequel, but I saw it in two sittings so that's a sequel to me.

I loved the acting, especially Uma and David. David was the Snake Charmer, he owned that part. When Uma found out her daughter was alive. Please Academy, don't forget these two.

Loved the Pai Mei chapter, the duel between Kiddo and Driver was amazing. And I was freaking out during the buried alive chapter, I wanted to jump out of my seat. The opening chapter had me on pins and needles. We got our non-stop action in Vol 1, now the character driven finale - it's like have dinner and dessert they go hand in hand.

There are a few flaws, but none worth mentioning in my opinion.

When that happened, the soundtrack music was from "Fistful of Dollars." I thought for sure they were paying homage to the final showdown from that movie and

Of course, once I saw her bleeding, I realized that wasn't going to happen. Obviously, the violence was somewhat cartoonish rather than realistic, so I guess that's the explanation as to why there were no visible scars later.