One thing that I would have added (Which appears in the script) is footage of Pei Mei appearing in Bill's campfire tale. In the script it says that we see scenes of Pei Mei doing the things Bill says he did as he's telling the tale. The footage would have most likely come from actual kung fu flicks like Executioners from Shaolin or Fists of White Lotus, but maybe they could'nt secure the rights to use the scenes in this film. But I would've been fine with a re-enactment. I think this would've been a cooler introduction to Pei Mei.

And another cool thing I would've liked is if Quentin used the split screen to show .

I loved the second film, my favorite quote was uttered by Budd, I do not know if this is the actual quote but when he told Bill



I laughed so hard I embarrassed my wife.

If you want to have a union of a couple from both the QT and Rodriguez universes with the same handicap, let Elle hook up with Agent Sands from Once Upon a Time in Mexico. They could live happily ever after in their own screwy ways.

Theres alot of inconsistencies from the screenplay that was posted and the actual movie.



Just to name one.

Uhhh, this is not Romeo Must Die

Well the score was pretty much laid with too much Rodriguez sounding spanish flair! so that's one way to bring the two together.. <_<


poor Rza. Only confined to the wood block training scene to express his yummy goodness.

ok, i loved it but the first one still was the best. this one had a lot of stuff that was filler i thought. did we really need bud's full conversation with his boss? it was interesting, but wasn't necessacary. there easily could have been 30 minutes of material cut from this, but hey i aint complaning. also, the dialouge wasn't tarintinos best. still great, but ddin't pop like pulp fiction did. it was interesting how slow the film itself was. they talked in this drawl that i guess was lifted from speghtti westerns where they manage to say very little in a long period of time. also, when you think about it, not a whole lot actually happened in this film. it didn't move around as much or as well as the first film. scenes went on a bit long. those are my only grips on the film. oh also, the ending with carridine went too quick. dart thing was a bit "huh?" and the fact that uma killed him in a 5 second attack was a bit of a let down.

what i loved:

pei mai. the 70's kung fu zooms were fantastic and hilarious. gordon lui is the man. and i didn't realize he was that bald guy in vol 1 as well.

the all time greatest cat fight of all time. the bride and elle will probably go down in history as the greatest one on one battle scene ever on film. just fantastic.

probably the most horrific scene recored on film is in this movie as well. when she gets burried alive. amazingly well done. holy crap, that part when they black out the screen and all you hear is her screaming and them dumping dirt on the coffin. so well done.

beatrix ripping out elle's eye. hilarious. and i liked how she didn't kill her.

snake in the suitcase. just so messed up.


over all, i'd give this an A maybe an A-. vol 1 gets an A+

I think Vol. 2 will be the one people will watch more in the years to come. The problem with Vol. 1, and it's a problem most action films have, is that action is not timeless. Some films get away with it better, usually Samurai/Kung-fu/martial arts movies. Maybe it's just me though, but eventually the action loses some of it's luster because something new and more impressive comes along, or you've just seen it so many times in so many other places. That doesn't mean these films aren't fun to watch, but the action becomes less of the draw and the story is what you come back for. Also, when I watch older action movies from the 70s and early 80s it's not the action scenes I enjoy the most but the characters and stories. Most of the action in those movies has been done elsewhere. They are still amazing to watch, but they aren't as special as they were.

Vol. 2 was much more driven by the plot and it's characters then the action sequences. Also, I think the shorter the action scene the better (to and extent), you can retain much more tension within it and it's feels fresh.

I liked how quickly Bill and Beatrix settled their score, it was so quick that you want to watch it over and over again. It also caught you by surprise with the tension at it's height. It's such a better pay off.

I know right now I'll will watch 2 much more, and it's not just because of the resolution, it's simply a better film to me. Both of these films seemed like they were made just for me, so I'm smiling. I can't wait until I see it again.

Why do you think people will watch Vol. 2 more? It's all one movie. Vol. 2 doesn't work without Vol. 1. I can't wait until he cuts them together into one film, as he's been saying he's going to do.

That's not a Lamborghini, it's a DeTomoso Pantera:

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Much cooler car. Jay Leno noticed it and he and QT talked about it on the Tonight Show this week.

I agree. Not too many directors would have the balls to show a pitch black screen for that long. Very effective.

I must say that this is one of the best movies of the year so far. I liked Vol. 1, but this is much better.

And I'd like to refute those that say the ending was predictable. I like the way that Beatrix takes off her necklace and places it by her daughter's bed. This is an ominous sign that QT may be setting her up for an exit. When we go into the final scene, we know ONE of them knows that 5-point killer thingie but we don't know which one. Either of them could die.

Can anyone explain to me why QT felt the need to bleep out Beatrix's name right up till the last half of this movie? If it's just for the 'Kiddo' reference, that's kinda lame, no?

Watched Vol. 1 this morning and saw Vol. 2 this afternoon...and...well...no words can describe how f**king beautiful these movies are!

Here's my take on that motif. Her name is bleeped out of the movie until someone thinks she is dead. In some stories, a person's name has power. If you utter their name, you risk allowing them an entry to your world. That's what this seemed like to me. Only after the characters thought she was dead could they safely say her name.

Actually, Bill says earlier in the film that he doesn't know the technique. Which is one of the reasons he's surprised that Pai Mei taught it to Mommy.

Suprmallet, it is not all one movie, not yet anyway. They released it as two, it doesn't matter what the original intention was anymore. How many people do you know who will take the time out of their day to watch 3 and 1/2 hours of both movies together? It's not even a matter of making the time, watching more than film in a day is a bit intimidating to the average person. It intimidates me a little and I consider myself a film geek. Not many people will do the double feature probably, but I'll do it occasionally no doubt.

For example, I rarely ever watch TESB and ROTJ back to back, I have never watched any of the LOTR movies back to back, never have I watched the BTTF movies back to back. One day I may attempt these, they could easily be watched as one film, but it's just a lot to devote.

I tried to do it with KB Friday actually, but I wound up having a good hour break in between. When you have a choice of watching one film, because you have 2 hours to kill (pun?) I think most people will watch one of them. You do not have to see 1 to watch 2 (or even the other way around), so for me I'll probably watch 2 more, and I make the prediction that most people will too.

I mean if they are seen as one film, I certainly wouldn't have watched KB Vol. 1 3 times before seeing 2. That would be like watching a film half way, and then starting it over.

Just my opinion. When they are edited together you can bet I'll watch it. I highly anticipate it, actually. I'll probably watch it more than the individual ones.

And Bill would never lie, right? :)

Drop, I don't know about you, but I almost never go to the movies to see just one film. I'll almost always buy tickets for two or more movies. I've seen as many as four movies in the theater in one day. So I have no problem watching Kill Bill Vol. 1 and Kill Bill Vol. 2 back to back or as one uncut film. There are longer films around than that, and I've watched those all the way through, so why not this one?

Another reason I could watch them both back to back is that neither films feels as long as it is, and I would gladly watch it if it each film were three hours, because they're both that good. And since we know it was meant to be one film, but got cut in half, and Tarantino is planning to recut it back together as one film, why can't I look at it as one film?

this is out of the blue but...

You know I agree with that. For some reason, both KBv1 and KBv2 seemed far, far shorter than their stated run times - That includes the oddly entertaining credit sequences to KBv2.

What movie trailers played in front of Kill Bill?

Suprmallet, I do the 4 movies at a theatre fairly frequently myself, but we are not average people (we're better right? ;) ). It's different than home viewing though. I have too many distractions at home; have to take out the grabage, I get a phone call, etc.. When I watch a movie I have to be completely devoted to it, I don't do anything else, not even stuff my face with any kind of food, beverages included. I can't stand having the world broken. At home I rarely get a chance to do this. I imagine most people don't either.

You can view it as one film, sure, but the fact is they aren't, not in their current state. I imagine when he cuts them together (side question - were they ever cut as one long movie?) the pacing will be different, and scenes will be at different spots. Both films work as singles in a series.

So with that logic I think the average person will chose to watch one at a time. I have come to the conclusion they will watch 2 more. That is all I'm saying.

Movies can be watched how ever they entertain you, they were made for us to enjoy after all. Do what ya want, kiddo, it's your time.

It varies from theater to theater, but the only trailer I saw that I hadn't seen before was for Hero.

Where I saw it, we saw:

Hero
Van Helsing
Mean Girls
Soul Plane
The Stepford Wives

Same.

trailers

King Arthur (again! yawwwn)
The Stepford Wives
I, Robot (also again, also yawwwnnn)
Troy (looks good!)
Hero

trai;ers:

i came in a bit late but still saw these:

i robot, hero, zatorchoi (something bout a blind samurai that looked damn good), soul plane

Finally got to see the film. Excellent but totally different from Vol 1. The opening scene in the chapel is great, with that overpowering sense of dread, because we know that something very bad is going to happen there. The chapter with the Bride's training with Pei Mei was wonderful, it looked just like one of those old HK films from the 70's and Gordon was great.

The other great things about the film were:

-the acting. Everyone gives an excellent performance, especially David Carradine. He is just so...cool in this film. I can't imagine anyone else playing the part (Warren Beatty? no way!). Daryl Hannah and Uma also are terrific in this.

-Elle and the Bride's fight in the trailer. Just...wow!

-the way that the film filled in a lot of the details for many of the characters. If one only saw the first film, they could accuse QT of creating these cardboard characters who seem more like characatures rather than real people, but the second film gives some of these characters heart and soul. (this doesn't mean that the film and characters are completely realistic though, but hey, its a Tarantino film, thats OK)

-the little details that film geeks love (eg. Shogun Assassin, Sid Haig's cameo as a bartender, etc)

I think its been said by others, but the only scene that I thought was completely extraneous was the big talk between Budd and his boss.

Anyway, I've said enough (or maybe too much). I can't wait to see it again.

I had the same feeling when watching the scene. But the more I think about it, this is a fascinating element of the chapter. Just imagine if the chapters in Kill Bill went in this order:

Chapter 1: (2)
Chapter 5:Showdown at the House of Blue Leaves
Chapter 7:The Lonely grave of Paula Schultz

We see The Bride steamroll through everyone through chapters 1 & 4. (And we still aren't aware who the Vipers are) But along comes chapter 7 which shows some poor,lonely pathetic guy getting yelled at by his boss. Which sets the standard that The Bride (If he's on the death list) should have no problem whatsoever taking this guy out. But once the chapter ends. We are proven wrong.

Catch my drift?

Well thats true, and now that I think about it, the scene just makes him look like a pathetic guy who has hit rock bottom, so after that, him (temporarily) taking care of the Bride would be a surprise. Hmmm, I still have to digest this film more.

Yeah, I felt that was the point of the Budd gets yelled at scene too -- but it could've been accomplished in about half the time IMHO.

The "Bud late for work" scene pretty much stopped the film dead in its tracks for me.

I had trailers for anacondas and seed of chucky. I had no idea chucky was coming back.

It's not pitch black. You can actually make out the brides hand when they are moving it and when she is banging away. So it's totally dark except for a small bit that you can slightly make out.

(things you notice watching the film three times...)

No, it's not lame. He wants this to be his Man with no name trilogy. in that sense.. it would be the women with no name. He doesn't want you to know her name. He just wants you to realize her from here alias' of The Bride. Besides that, he said her name Kiddo in Vol 1 in the opening lines of the film. Also, if you really wanted to know the name, it's on her passport in vol 1. ;)

No, as groucho said HE doesn't. Back when he was telling Kiddo this he was in love with her. He wouldn't be lieing to her. especially with his cockiness he would have made it know that he has the power of that.

I loved the movie, especially Bill's speech about Superman, though as a Superman fan, I don't agree with his conclusion about Superman's view of humanity. But that's just the nerd in me talking.

Can anyone name songs used in the movie that weren't on the soundtrack? I know Vol. 1 had a few.

And finally:

saw
i robot
king aurthor
hero
troy

i think that was it.

also, prob. when the movie gets rereleased next year (or late this year) for the uncut 4 hour version, the split point between vol 1 and 2 will have an intermission card and the end credit music from vol 1.
jack for her "passport on vol 1" thing for figuring out her name, i guess thats a pause or you miss it, since ive watched the dvd twice and can't see it.

I absolutely loved it! Uma Thurman gives such a wonderful physical and emotional performance particularly in the Pai Mei training sequence which was one of the most entertaining scenes of either film, and the last chapter Face to Face scene with Bill and finding about her daughter.

This film is even greater than Vol. 1 and really deepens the characters, and I loved a lot of the dialogue especially Caradine who was terrific and I agree with those who say he should get an academy award nom. I also think Thurman should not be overlooked for her performance.

It is a slower paced film compared to Vol. 1, but that isn't a bad thing it is actually great thing. Vol. 2 really made me appreicate the whole story more and it solved the story and ended the film in a entertaining, tense and dare I say it almost sweet way, that I loved very much, I know it's needless to say but I just have to, QT is such a great writer and I thought he really showed at the end.

As others have mentioned, The Bride vs. Elle Driver was the mother of all cat fights, and Hannah was excellent in her villainy and when you find out that she killed Pai Mei the eye pulling scene feels even that much better.

I will go this film again very soon, it is too good of a film not to see again in the theater.

You have to freeze frame it. But her name is there. Then again you are the one who for some unknown reason DIDN'T KNOW THE BRIDE WORKED FOR BILL?!?!?! HOW CAN THAT BE?!?! :p

QT stated it would be a new cut combining the two. First thing to go will be Kiddo's introduction/b&w drive in the beginning of vol 2 and would pick up directly where vol 1 ended. The credits to Vol 2 have all the characters of Vol 1 so that's not an issue.

So no intermission is needed.

i would think the intermission would be for us who need a piss brake. and i hope some multiplexes pick up the nc17 version as well, permitted that they can show nc17 movies.

What can I add that hasn't been said it 8 pages?

I noticed some people walking out saying they really liked it, but would give V1 the upper hand. Didn't anyone tell them its the same movie?
Pai Mei sequence was kickass for sure. His lines were subtitled here in NE. I loved that line Bill says about walking up those steps carrying buckets of water.
Yes, BB was a great little girl. If she had no talent it would've thrown a huge monkey wrench it the finale.
Some people wanted more info on Budd and Elle (and their relationship w/Bill)-probably deleted scenes and aren't too important anyhoo. They are secondary characters, this is Bride's story as w/Bills. So it was okay for me.
V1 felt like one incrediblely huge homage to everything kung fu, while V2 took those characters out of the homages and explored them within a real context-hence the no over-the-top gore or crazy fight sequences.
It's too early still to proclaim Oscar nods, since there's 8 months left for more great performances, but Carradine deserves it out of them all.
I can't wait to sit through it all in its entirity. Probably go see it again. My Grade: A-

you just said it, V1 and V2 are very different. i for one liked v1 better.