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Originally posted by Patman The "Bud late for work" scene pretty much stopped the film dead in its tracks for me. Personally, I thought the talk with the Spanish pimp was unnecesary to me. |
Originally posted by Snowlarbear you just said it, V1 and V2 are very different. i for one liked v1 better. But those people, I mean, view it as a sequel, when to thier misinformed minds, is actually the final half of what is Kill Bill. This is a different breed of film. I can't think of any one film that has tone changes (like V1 to V2). But this was QT actual plan. V2 has more of a western feel to it, and rightfully so, most of the film takes place around NV or so. You wouldn't have a western fell in the House of Blue Leaves or a Kung Fu feel in the desert. |
Originally posted by Lara Means What movie trailers played in front of Kill Bill? |
I got trailers for Shall We Dance? (or whatever the hell that dancing movie with Richard Gere and J. Lo is), Troy, Anacondas, and Hero.
Budd's talk with the boss is also necessary to show that he is now in bad need of money, which gives him a reason to sell The Bride's sword to Elle. |
Originally posted by jonpeters Here in NE it was Van Helsing, Troy and Seed of Chucky, also Spiderman 2. |
I'm both seeing (and saying myself ) LOTS of performances here are worthy of Oscar nods;Uma, Carradine, Darryl and possibly Madsen as well......but ya know, QT deserves a nomination first and foremost. 2 films, 1 story, such a rollercoaster of a ride, a QT double feature that covers so many genres and pays so many homages I'm sure I'll never catch them all. This could well be Quentin's shining moment- how do you top this? While I'm sure he and the cast are more than capable of more great parts, performances, pictures......this story and it's characters have a very career defining resonance. I'll definitely be paying to watch again this week :)
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Originally posted by Rypro 525 i would think the intermission would be for us who need a piss brake. BTW, the trailers I got were Hero (nice to finally see on the big screen. I got the DVD ages ago, but will see it in theatres if it comes to my neck of the woods), Van Helsing (I'm there!),Seed of Chucky, Anacondas, Troy and King Arthur. Some of you are talking about Pei Mei's lines. It was in Cantonese with English subs in all the prints, right? I know that originally there was talk of his voice being dubbed in English by Quentin, but there were really no prints that had that, right? |
Originally posted by Suprmallet I got trailers for Shall We Dance? (or whatever the hell that dancing movie with Richard Gere and J. Lo is) Remake of a great Japanese film. One good thing about the remake is that we'll finally get the original on dvd. Probably. Maybe. Heck, who knows with Miramax. |
That is correct Cult. I've seen it three times, all three times it's been subbed. I think the idea was to go that route, but it was dropped in the last minute.
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Originally posted by minguy Remake of a great Japanese film. One good thing about the remake is that we'll finally get the original on dvd. Probably. Maybe. Heck, who knows with Miramax. |
Originally posted by Jackskeleton That is correct Cult. I've seen it three times, all three times it's been subbed. I think the idea was to go that route, but it was dropped in the last minute. |
Originally posted by cultshock Some of you are talking about Pei Mei's lines. It was in Cantonese with English subs in all the prints, right? I know that originally there was talk of his voice being dubbed in English by Quentin, but there were really no prints that had that, right? Oh and trailers I got where "Day after Tomorrow" (I think that's what it's called), "Spidey 2" (Not the new trailer though) and "Hero". |
Originally posted by majorjoe23 Can anyone name songs used in the movie that weren't on the soundtrack? Bill's "exit" music is from the conclusion of Navajo Joe. Music that plays when The Bride is walking through the desert is from Road to Salina. There were 2 pieces of music that I really liked but don't know what they are. The first plays when Budd says the "Woman-deserves-revenge" line and the 2nd is when Elle is packing the money back in the suitcase. Judging from the closing credits, I think Riz Ortolani scored one of them. |
Just chiming in to say I loved the film. Very different from volume one, but a hell of a good time.
I got a good laugh at Quentin's brand of bread...Bimbo bread. |
Originally posted by jonpeters Damn, you caught me :) But those people, I mean, view it as a sequel, when to thier misinformed minds, is actually the final half of what is Kill Bill. This is a different breed of film. I can't think of any one film that has tone changes (like V1 to V2). But this was QT actual plan. V2 has more of a western feel to it, and rightfully so, most of the film takes place around NV or so. You wouldn't have a western fell in the House of Blue Leaves or a Kung Fu feel in the desert. I was so disappointed in Vol. II. It felt like I was watching "from the cutting room floor" snippets from Vol. I. I was so bored i wanted it to end - which is sad because i was looking forward to this movie since i saw Vol. I opening weekend. I just felt that there was too much of a pace difference between the two - i went in expecting more of Vol.I I only credit QT & Miramax with cutting the film into 2 parts at the right point. I will not be getting this on DVD - I'll just keep Vol.1 and forget that "PART 2" came out. |
Just saw the film last night, and while I didn't enjoy it as much as I did Volume 1, I still thought it was a good movie. A good deal of Volume 2 could have(and probably should have)stayed on the cutting room floor, but the Pai Mei training sequence and the ending with Bill vs. The Bride definitely made the movie for me. I will probably see it again in a few days after I've viewed Volume 1 again.
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Originally posted by Rypro 525 budd was already dead, Five-O. and i think it was austin in the movie as well. if you read the script, it was actually originally supposed to be a 5 year coma. and the movie's ending is exactly how it is in the script. and i noticed little if any improve, since the actors stayed to script. Elle says "Come to Barstow, California...when you get there...", etc. I knew it was CA! I saw it again last night and paid extra attention during this scene...just to make sure I wasn't getting senile :) |
Originally posted by jough That's not a Lamborghini, it's a DeTomoso Pantera: http://www.pantera.net/ Much cooler car. Jay Leno noticed it and he and QT talked about it on the Tonight Show this week. From that angle, the mistake is understandable. Oh, and that ain't a Pantera, its a Mangusta. Which is even cooler. D |
http://www.pantera.net/KillBillMangusta.pdf
That article has lots of insight on the cars used in the movie. It even tells you what was supposed to happen to Buck's ***** Wagon and what Bill almost ended up driving. Cool stuff. D |
Yeah, Uma said in a late night TV interview this week that they were supposed to blow up the P Wagon (there's even a line about it in the film) but Quentin just couldn't part with it, so they didn't.
According to the EW article, Quentin has it parked in his driveway (but Uma got to keep the Hanzo sword). |
My Review
Here is my review/thoughts on the movie (lots of spoilers)
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Personally, I figured the relationship with Bill and Hattori went sour because of what Bill ultimately used his skills to do. I agree though, I'm one of the people that would love to have backstories on all these people - while I didn't particularly like the Budd @ the titty bar, I felt the rest was sublime and I just wanted to know more and more about Vernita, Sofie, Elle, and Bill as it went on (instead we got Budd, who was the least interesting, but ah well). Hopefully that "anime prequel" that seems so hip now, forms and we get that as well as some nice exited scenes.
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Great review DrSchasta....very well put.
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Something interesting I didn't even realize 'til last night --
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Originally posted by FiveO Elle says "Come to Barstow, California...when you get there...", etc. I knew it was CA! I saw it again last night and paid extra attention during this scene...just to make sure I wasn't getting senile :) |
Originally posted by RichC2 Personally, I figured the relationship with Bill and Hattori went sour because of what Bill ultimately used his skills to do. |
Anyone recall what that Western Bill was watching near the showdown? I saw it listed in the credits but forgot. What's the importance? It even got a POV shot to emphasize something or another.
Wanna see something amazing? In that scene, when the Bride is coming down the stairs, and the tv is on the right playing the movie and Bill is at the bar on the left, someone in the movie gets hit and his head snaps back the very instant Bill slams something down on the counter, and the sound effects match the visual image. Neato. |
The POV shot was meant to accentuate Beatrix's leap for the sword. We see her attention is focused on getting the sword as Bill is talking. The movie is a red herring, in my opinion.
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Did anyone ever catch this hint at The Bride's name from Vol.1, my sister caught it after watching Vol.1 when she made me tell here the Bride's name.
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Yeah, we went over that in an earlier post.
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Originally posted by Brian Gentz Did anyone ever catch this hint at The Bride's name from Vol.1, my sister caught it after watching Vol.1 when she made me tell here the Bride's name. Spoiler:
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I saw it a second time, and it played a little better, but I still hated Bud's crappy job sequence, and the ending is still overly drawn out.
The Pai Mei chapter is the most entertaining chapter, followed by "Elle and I" chapter. I did notice that Gordon Liu played not only Pai Mei, but also Johnny Mo, the bald baddie from the Crazy 88's. I'll probably bump my rating for it up to a B or B-. |
I don't want to just reiterate everything said so far. I loved it. It was not only near-perfect, but it made vol. 1 stronger. Together they are now among my favorite films.
So I'll just add two details - the shot of the Bride's feet sailing towards Elle had me in hysterics, and the black mamba in the suitcase was an unfair thing to spring on a guy who is terrified of snakes. |
Originally posted by Jackskeleton and you wouldn't believe me? Sorry Jack...didn't see your post. Appreciate the info. I knew I wasn't going deaf! |
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I watched vol.1 the night before seeing vol.2 the following day. I enjoyed the movie, however, the pacing of kind of slow at times. I really enjoyed the "catfight" in the trailer.. However, I was quiet disappointed at the end b/c of the build-up from the previous killings. I was hoping for some good sword fighting for the final encounter...
Did anyone catch the next QT flick of "Hero" starring Jet Li? I wasn't aware it was being directed by QT... I'm not much of a QT fun but I'm looking for to "Hero" thou... |
Did anyone catch the next QT flick of "Hero" starring Jet Li? I wasn't aware it was being directed by QT... I'm not much of a QT fun but I'm looking for to "Hero" thou... "Quentin Tarantino Presents..." "A film by Yimou Zhang" He's just getting it brought to US Theaters, MiramAxe wanted to cut it off their release sched, Tarantino apparently secured it under the condition he put his name on it. From what I could tell, audience response has been pretty good - Miramax is planning a limited release in August, I believe they'd be wise to just gamble it and do a wide release. |
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Yeah, it's clearly stated that it's Rocksalt, you can see it splattered on her face as well.
"I win." |
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