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Old 04-19-04 | 08:47 AM
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I saw it last night. Really really enjoyed it. More than part one even. I too was kinda puzzled by the shotgun thing but I guess it could be non-lethal if it was salt or whatever, although where did he get rock salt shotgun cartridges?

Also why was her daughter so casual about seeing her mother for the first time ever?
Old 04-19-04 | 08:53 AM
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Well, Bill told BB that mommy was "sleeping." He may have taken her to the coma ward to see her. She would have no idea that mommy was actually half dead.
Old 04-19-04 | 09:12 AM
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I saw Vol.2 yesterday, and like many here, absolutely loved it! While it has a different tone than Vol.1 did, it complements it quite nicely.

Several great scenes that I took away from this film (Bud and his boss in the strip club; The Bride and Elle in the trailer home; The Bride and Bill's showdown at his house), but my absolute favorite was the opening scene at the Twin Pines wedding chapel. You know, the scene with Bo Svenson ( )

Seriously though, the shot of The Bride walking towards the door with the camera, from inside the building, looking out into the vastness of the Western landscape was one of the finest homages to one of the greatest movies of all-time (The Searchers), IMO.

Also, in that scene - the shots of The Brides sandals and Bill's boots approaching eachother was taken from somewhere as I've seen it before, but cannot recall which film that was 'borrowed' from.

All in all, I love the atmosphere that this film has and the aura that it possesses. A truly wonderful piece of cinematic expertise.
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Originally posted by calhoun07
I also thought this was a perfect resolution to those two characters. There was an intimate bond between the Bride and Bill. If they had another sword fight, that would have been unsatisfying. However, she killed him in the best and perhaps the only way she could: by breaking his heart. Only the closest and most intimate person to Bill could kill him, and only that person would be able to kill him in such a way. IF they had fought with swords, I think it would have been a draw anyway, so this was the more satisfying resolution. He let her in too close, and she broke his heart.
Yes, I love this explanation. I don't feel Bill's demise was anti-climatic at all. It was bittersweet, it made me ache which was much like their relationship. When Bill asked Kiddo how he looked and she replied, "You look ready." Man, that was good. Can you imagine Bill dying any other way?

After being so disappointed with sequels lately, I don't have any problems with Vol 2. Many will quibble about this being a true sequel, but I saw it in two sittings so that's a sequel to me.

I loved the acting, especially Uma and David. David was the Snake Charmer, he owned that part. When Uma found out her daughter was alive. Please Academy, don't forget these two.

Loved the Pai Mei chapter, the duel between Kiddo and Driver was amazing. And I was freaking out during the buried alive chapter, I wanted to jump out of my seat. The opening chapter had me on pins and needles. We got our non-stop action in Vol 1, now the character driven finale - it's like have dinner and dessert they go hand in hand.

There are a few flaws, but none worth mentioning in my opinion.

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Old 04-19-04 | 11:09 AM
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I saw it last night. Really really enjoyed it. More than part one even. I too was kinda puzzled by the shotgun thing ...


When that happened, the soundtrack music was from "Fistful of Dollars." I thought for sure they were paying homage to the final showdown from that movie and
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the Bride would suddenly stand up to reveal she had a protective metal covering where she was shot.


Of course, once I saw her bleeding, I realized that wasn't going to happen. Obviously, the violence was somewhat cartoonish rather than realistic, so I guess that's the explanation as to why there were no visible scars later.
Old 04-19-04 | 11:46 AM
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I had a little problem with the whole plot like some of you had....
How could Beatrix possibly have the strength to do the five pressure point move on Bill and punch through a wooden coffin when she was put into a coma after all that training. Hell she could barley get out of her bed, yet she could still do those moves.
She spent a month training at Hanzo's while he was making her sword. Yeah, it's not a great explanation, but that's that's pretty much all that can account for it.
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woah are you serious????

Damn I'd of never recognized him but now that it has been verified and I think about it, they did kinda look alike! But damn, how the heck did he nail that mexican accent so well?
I figured the guy must have been some cult Mexican actor I had never heard of. My thought while watching the scene was "This guy must have been in some kick ass movies to make Quentin give him a huge speech when he can't speak English worth a damn."
Old 04-19-04 | 11:50 AM
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Enjoyable movie. I may like it more than the first since I'm a bigger fan of westerns and volume 1 diminished a lot upon second viewing.

Though I thought the attempt to create depthful characters fell way flat, thanks to some of the dullest Tarantino dialogue I've heard. Thurman, Madsen, Hannah and Gordon Liu were good to watch. Carradine, however, rubbed me the wrong way, particularly his spiel at the end.
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Originally posted by RyoHazuki
I saw it last night. Really really enjoyed it. More than part one even. I too was kinda puzzled by the shotgun thing but I guess it could be non-lethal if it was salt or whatever, although where did he get rock salt shotgun cartridges?

Also why was her daughter so casual about seeing her mother for the first time ever?
After I heard about rock salt, I typed it into Google and read that using it in shot guns is illeagal most places, but a fairly common practice You just open up a shotgun catridge, pour out the gun power and pour out the rock salt.
Old 04-19-04 | 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by RyoHazuki
Also why was her daughter so casual about seeing her mother for the first time ever?
Well for one thing, not all people act the same. Some people are more reserved than others, ESPECIALLY around strangers. Her mom was a stranger to her even though it was her mom. Bill had obviously prepared her for her mom's return, so thats why she wasn't surprised. If you are wondering why she wasn't emotional, the answer is that she is 4 years old. 4 year olds don't understand emotion the way an adult does. Something extremely emotional could be happening right in front of them, but a child is likely not to notice.

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I figured the guy must have been some cult Mexican actor I had never heard of. My thought while watching the scene was "This guy must have been in some kick ass movies to make Quentin give him a huge speech when he can't speak English worth a damn."


I was thinking the same thing - Who IS this guy? I had no idea it was Parks. I'll have to see it again and look for him.

I thought that entire scene could have been easily cut. Why was it even there? To try to show WHY Bill became the way he is?

LAME
Old 04-19-04 | 01:46 PM
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Regarding B.B.'s reaction to meeting Mommy, I'm guessing she picked up her laid back approach to life from her Dad.
Old 04-19-04 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Groucho
Regarding B.B.'s reaction to meeting Mommy, I'm guessing she picked up her laid back approach to life from her Dad.
Plus she was raised on Shogun Assassin. A nice in-joke which could actually be parallel to B.B.'s life since Diagoro (The child narrator of the movie that she watches nightly) also has a father "that was famous".
Old 04-19-04 | 02:01 PM
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The scene with Estaban was there for a few reasons. One to delve into the character of Bill a little, as well as being a send up to Spaghetti Westerns. You know, searching for a character and running into quirky characters. Like that scene in Fistful of Dollars where Joe asks that old guy, who lives by the train, what he knows about the bad guy. I think a FoD anyway, haven't seen the first to Dollar movies in a while but, it was one of them anyway.

Also, I found the scene to be pretty funny, so as long as it gets me to laugh, I don't really think it was a waste. Plus, I think going right from Elle to Bill would have been akward, and it would really screw the pacing. We would still have that energy from that fight, and the Esteban scene was a great way to transition to Bill.

Obviously you didn't like it though, so I don't know, either way I like that QT put it in their. I really can't think of anything to cut from either movie.
Old 04-19-04 | 02:19 PM
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I thought the Esteban scene was more Peckinpah-ish than a Leone-esque,but good theory nonetheless, Drop. BTW, the scene you're reffering to was in For a Few, not Fistful.

And I gotta hand it to Michael Parks for the transformation (Both in appearance and speech) but I gotta be honest, I couldn't understand a lot of what he said. When does this DVD come out? I need subtitles!
Old 04-19-04 | 02:20 PM
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Also, did anyone notice that Michael Parks' character name from Vol.1 (Sheriff Earl McGraw) is the same name of the ranger character he played in From Dusk 'till Dawn?
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Also, did anyone notice that Michael Parks' character name from Vol.1 (Sheriff Earl McGraw) is the same name of the ranger character he played in From Dusk 'till Dawn?
Yes, a few people pointed this out a few pages ago (or was that in the Vol. 1 thread?).
Old 04-19-04 | 03:12 PM
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For the record "rock salt" shells for a shotgun are a fairly common thing. I'm surprised you guys were unaware of them. They can be bought (illeagly) or made. You don't remove the gunpowder as a poster above said (if you removed the gunpowder it wouldn't fire), you remove the bb's and replace them with rock salt.
Old 04-19-04 | 03:15 PM
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Wasn't there a Jackass episode where Johnny Knoxville gets shot with rocksalt from a shotgun?
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Wasn't there a Jackass episode where Johnny Knoxville gets shot with rocksalt from a shotgun?
No he got shot with a crowd control bean bag fired from a shotgun in Jackass the movie.
Old 04-19-04 | 03:38 PM
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Just saw it last night. Better than Volume 1. This movie is like the cinematic equivalent of a 7-layer burrito with the works and the best salsa you've ever eaten in your life.

btw, near the end when Elle gets her comeuppance and writhes and thrases around on the floor like a madwoman, did this part remind anyone of the end Pris scene in Blade Runner? Intentional, maybe?
Old 04-19-04 | 03:44 PM
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No he got shot with a crowd control bean bag fired from a shotgun in Jackass the movie.
Ok, I thought it was along those lines.
Old 04-19-04 | 03:47 PM
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Just saw it last night. Better than Volume 1. This movie is like the cinematic equivalent of a 7-layer burrito with the works and the best salsa you've ever eaten in your life.

Well said, being a big burrito fan myself
Old 04-19-04 | 03:59 PM
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I wonder if people who aren't QT fans could enjoy a movie like this? Probably not.


I too disagreed with Bill's interpretation of Superman. I don't think his conclusion is Supes' judgment on humanity, I think it's actually Bill's. If Superman really thought that about humans, then he most likely would have tried to conquer them like General Zod rather than going out of his way to stop Zod.

In terms of which one I liked better, I think II is the superior movie. While Vol. I is good, it is more of the kind of flick you pop in to kill time while you get a pizza and drink some beer. Put together, they make quite and impressive epic.
What I find interesting is that QT wrote From Dusk Til Dawn with a similar premise (two movies in one), yet more people are clamouring for this one. I like it better myself, but I thought Dusk Till Dawn was highly entertaining as well.
Old 04-19-04 | 05:39 PM
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Some questions for everyone (haters as well).

1. Did anyone else get the feeling Elle Driver was up to something when she was meeting with Budd?

There is just this powerful tension going on in that scene, I just felt it coming. I thought she was going to kill him with the Hanzo sword at first, but after she didn't I cooled a little and then BAM the Black Mumba gets him.

2. Did anyone else suspect or hope Budd might have made some sort of serum in that drink he made?

I know it seems silly, but I was hoping he somehow did that, like he knew Elle was up to something. I just didn't want him to go out like that, he was a cool character and his life was such crap. He deserved to atleast die like a samurai.

3. Did anyone else feel as sorry for Budd as me?

I mean here is this great swordsman, probably only bested by the Bride and Bill, who had the potential to be probably better than Bill, and here he is a bouncer for a titty bar, that gets shit on all the time by his coworkers.

4. Did anyone get the feeling that Bill was trying to charm the Bride by showing how loving of a father he was? If so, why?

I think Bill was just trying to make it as hard for her to kill him as possible. He knew she had everything in her to kill him, but he just wanted it to affect her as much as possible. I don't think Bill even thought he would win.

Guess that's all.


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